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How we got here

Alfani, Guido (2023). As Gods Among Men. Princeton University Press. ISBN 9780691215730.
Ben-Ghiat, Ruth (2020). Strongmen. W. W. Norton & Company. ISBN 9781324001546.
Du Mez, Kristin Kobes (2020). Jesus and John Wayne. Liveright Publishing Corporation. ISBN 9781631495731.
Fromm, Erich (1941). Escape from Freedom. Farrar & Rinehart. ISBN 0744800145.
Frum, David (2018). Trumpocracy: The Corruption of the American Republic. Harper. ISBN 9780062978417.
Goldwag, Arthur S. (2012). The New Hate. Pantheon Books. ISBN 9780307379696.
Gore, Gareth (2024). Opus. Simon & Schuster. ISBN 9781668016145.
Greider, William (1992). Who Will Tell the People: The Betrayal of American Democracy. New York: Simon & Schuster. ISBN 9780671688912. OCLC 25281775.
Herman, Susan N. (2011). Taking Liberties. Oxford University Press. ISBN 9780199782543.
Klein, Naomi. (2007). The Shock Doctrine. Metropolitan Books/Henry Holt. ISBN 9780676978001.
MacLean, Nancy (2017). Democracy in Chains. Viking Press. ISBN 9781101980989.
Mayer, Jane (2016). Dark Money. Doubleday. ISBN 9780385535595.
McNamee, Roger (2019). Zucked. Penguin Press. ISBN 9780525561354.
Nelson, Anne (2019). Shadow Network. Bloomsbury. ISBN 9781635573190.
Neiwert, David (2017). Alt-America. Verso Books. ISBN 9781786634238.
Newman, Saul; Conrad, Maximilian (Ed.) (2024). Post-Truth Populism. Palgrave Macmillan, 2024. doi:10.1007/978-3-031-64178-7.
Oreskes, Naomi; Conway, Erik M. (2010). Merchants of Doubt. Bloomsbury Press. ISBN 9781596916104.
Richardson, Heather Cox (2023). Democracy Awakening: Notes on the State of America. Viking. ISBN 9780593652961.
Rushkoff, Douglas (2022). Survival of the Richest. W.W. Norton & Company, Inc. ISBN 9780393881066.
Scahill, Jeremy (2007). Blackwater. Nation Books. ISBN 1560259795.
Seidel, Andrew (2019). The Founding Myth. Sterling Publishing. ISBN 9781454933274.
Simons, Suzanne (2009) Master of War. Collins. ISBN 9780061651359.
Stewart, Katherine (2020). The Power Worshippers. Bloomsbury Publishing. ISBN 9781635573435.
Stanley, Jason (2020)[2018]. How Fascism Works. Random House. ISBN 9780525511830.
Stewart, Katherine (2025). Money, Lies, and God. Bloomsbury. ISBN 9781635578546.
Tepper, Jonathan; Hearn, Denise (2018). The Myth of Capitalism. Wiley. ISBN 9781119548140.
Wark, McKenzie (2019). Capital Is Dead. Verso. ISBN 9781788735308.
Varoufakis, Yanis (2023). Technofeudalism. Melville House. ISBN 9781685891244.
Zoellner, Tom (2011). A Safeway in Arizona. Viking. ISBN 9780670023202.

How to cope

Mycielski, Martin (2018). The Authoritarian Regime Survival Guide, VerfBlog.
Snyder, Timothy (2016). 20 Lessons from the 20th Century on How to Survive in Trump's America. Human Rights Workshop.

DYK nomination of Portrait of Toulouse Lautrec, in Villeneuve-sur-Yonne, with the Natansons

Hello! Your submission of Portrait of Toulouse Lautrec, in Villeneuve-sur-Yonne, with the Natansons at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there at your earliest convenience. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! SnowFire (talk) 07:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Precious anniversary

Happy new year! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:10, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Happy new year 2025, opened with trumpet fanfares that first sounded OTD in 1725 (as the Main page has). - I saw a lovely opera by Rimsky-Korsakov, - see here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Liebster Immanuel, Herzog der Frommen, BWV 123, my story today 300 years after the first performance, is up for GAN. Dada Masilo will be my story tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:06, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I will take a look. Viriditas (talk) 22:09, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My story today is about a composer who influenced music history also by writing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:35, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Today a violinist from Turkey, Ayla Erduran, whom you can watch playing Schubert chamber music --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:59, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Her Polish ancestry is apparent in the pic! Viriditas (talk) 23:10, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Today, pictured on the Main page, Tosca, in memory of her first appearance on stage OTD in 1900, and of principal author Brian Boulton. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:05, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I saw it. I love those old poster designs. I might go down a rabbit hole of 19th century graphic design because of you. Viriditas (talk) 20:10, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Enjoy it! - Very early 20th century, this one. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:17, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Today I had a composer (trumpeter, conductor) on the main page who worked closely with another who just became GA, - small world! To celebrate: mostly flowers pics from vacation ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:43, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have more vacation pics to offer, and today's story of Werner Bardenhewer. I took the pic, and it was my DYK on his 90th birthday, in both English and German. He spent the day in Africa, and after his return said - chatting after a mass of thanks he celebrated at Mariä Heimsuchung - that we'd have to talk about these articles. - The singer now on top of your talk was mentioned for Gabriel Yacoub, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:03, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Mountain Landscape

On 3 January 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Mountain Landscape, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a Mountain Landscape is difficult to capture with photography? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mountain Landscape. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Mountain Landscape), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Z1720 (talk) 00:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of If You Find This World Bad, You Should See Some of the Others

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Your GA nomination of Hawaii series by Georgia O'Keeffe

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Your GA nomination of If You Find This World Bad, You Should See Some of the Others

The article If You Find This World Bad, You Should See Some of the Others you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:If You Find This World Bad, You Should See Some of the Others and Talk:If You Find This World Bad, You Should See Some of the Others/GA1 for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of LEvalyn -- LEvalyn (talk) 08:01, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@LEvalyn: Thank you, great review. I will be working on it for the next several days or so. Viriditas (talk) 08:03, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Point the Finger

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Your GA nomination of Hawaii series by Georgia O'Keeffe

The article Hawaii series by Georgia O'Keeffe you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Hawaii series by Georgia O'Keeffe and Talk:Hawaii series by Georgia O'Keeffe/GA1 for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Simongraham -- Simongraham (talk) 02:41, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for The Bootleggers (Hopper)

On 8 January 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article The Bootleggers (Hopper), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that The Bootleggers portrays the illegal alcohol trade during the Prohibition era of the Roaring '20s? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/The Bootleggers (Hopper). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, The Bootleggers (Hopper)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

RoySmith (talk) 12:02, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Bootleggers

Very good, glad it made it to the main page. I calculated, looking at the views minus average day views, that 18% of readers who clicked on the painting's article during the time it was on the main page also clicked on the "List of paintings by..." in the See also section. Pretty good indication that adding lists there works well. Watching Jimmy Carter's funeral, met him once, a good guy. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:45, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the note. Viriditas (talk) 22:08, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Portrait of Toulouse Lautrec, in Villeneuve-sur-Yonne, with the Natansons

On 15 January 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Portrait of Toulouse Lautrec, in Villeneuve-sur-Yonne, with the Natansons, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a portrait of Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec cooking captures him in an unusual moment of sobriety? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Portrait of Toulouse Lautrec, in Villeneuve-sur-Yonne, with the Natansons. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Portrait of Toulouse Lautrec, in Villeneuve-sur-Yonne, with the Natansons), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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		Your hook reached 24,068 views (1,002.8 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of January 2025 – nice work!

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Your GA nomination of If You Find This World Bad, You Should See Some of the Others

The article If You Find This World Bad, You Should See Some of the Others you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:If You Find This World Bad, You Should See Some of the Others for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of LEvalyn -- LEvalyn (talk) 02:44, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@LEvalyn: Thanks for the review. I’ve got some new ideas for article improvement that I will be rolling out soon. Viriditas (talk) 05:21, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Point the Finger

The article Point the Finger you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Point the Finger for comments about the article, and Talk:Point the Finger/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article is eligible to appear in the "Did you know" section of the Main Page, you can nominate it within the next seven days. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of LEvalyn -- LEvalyn (talk) 01:44, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of E. Graham Howe

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article E. Graham Howe you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Chiswick Chap -- Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:46, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Chiswick Chap: Thanks. This will take me a few days. Viriditas (talk) 23:31, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for The Hangover (Suzanne Valadon)

On 24 January 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article The Hangover (Suzanne Valadon), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that The Hangover by Toulouse-Lautrec, which features the stylistic influence of Vincent van Gogh, was once displayed by Aristide Bruant in his nightclub? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/The Hangover (Suzanne Valadon). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, The Hangover (Suzanne Valadon)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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		Hook update
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DYK nomination of Delivery After Raid

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Your GA nomination of E. Graham Howe

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Thanks!

I really appreciated the review on Flying saucer and felt like you went well beyond what most reviewers put in. Take care, Rjjiii (ii) (talk) 23:23, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Notice of noticeboard notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Drbogdan misuse of talk page while blocked. Thank you. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 13:29, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at WP:MCQ § File:1940 Dole ad Pineapple Bud O'Keeffe 1939.jpg

You are invited to join the discussion at WP:MCQ § File:1940 Dole ad Pineapple Bud O'Keeffe 1939.jpg. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:32, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Viriditas. Just letting you know about this as a courtesy. It's possible that this file may not need to be treated as non-free content. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:33, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

50501

Title. Viriditas (talk) 11:00, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

...for "How to Cope". I've bookmarked both pages. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:25, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In case you are wondering, this is where it's going.[1] The Trump admin, Elon Musk et al. are intentionally disrupting the US government to create a network state. This is the pipe dream that right-wing conservatives steeped in libertarianism have been working towards for many decades. "At a recent rally in Las Vegas, Donald Trump promised that, if elected in November, he would free up federal land in Nevada to 'create special new zones with ultra-low taxes and ultra-low regulation', to attract new industries, build affordable housing and create jobs. The plan would, he said, revive 'the frontier spirit and the American dream'." "Steve Sisolak, announced a plan to launch so-called "Innovation Zones" in Nevada to attract technology firms. The zones would permit companies with large land areas to form governments with the same authority as counties, including imposing taxes, forming school districts and courts, and providing government services." "In March 2021, Elon Musk announced plans to incorporate the Boca Chica area of far southeastern Texas, the site of a SpaceX rocket manufacturing and launch facility, as the city of "Starbase". Some have labeled the plans and SpaceX's existing operations in the area as an example of a company town." They are just re-inventing company towns, a workaround to reintroducing feudalism and serfdom.[2] These people never change. Greek economist Yanis Varoufakis wrote a book about technofeudalism in 2023.[3] Viriditas (talk) 22:42, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Check this out: [4] People are finally getting it. Viriditas (talk) 18:37, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

February music

On the main page today, 300 years after its first performance, Bach's cantata BWV 125, - a lovely very intimate piece, with peace and joy in the title. Enjoy listening with score - I discovered that only now! - Today is also the birthday of James Joyce, who has an article by many authors. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:08, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Great piece. Listening now. Viriditas (talk) 23:10, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is a famous melody there, early on, I believe it is played by the oboe and the flute, that has found its way into much popular music. If I had more time, I would track it down, but I'm working on other things. Viriditas (talk) 23:13, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting! - My story torday is about an actor who played in almost every German TV series and in internal cinema. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:16, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

today: a German-born Spanish art collector, - the video in her honour is remarkable, as what she gave the world. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:00, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you take a look at her original photo, it's even better than the cropped one! This is one of my pet peeves. A Wikipedia/Commons editor thinks, "Hey, all bio photos should have a close crop and look the same", destroying any sense of uniqueness and creativity. Viriditas (talk) 20:25, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You are right! (I had not looked.) Only, in both my story and my list in memory, I can use only small size, and then you'd see almost nothing of her face. - I find today's birthday child particularly inspiring, by enthusiasm and determination. That was - believe it or not - a pictured DYK in 2021, without the last line though. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:25, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Plishka, a bass who sang 88 roles of all kinds at the Met was interviewed before his (first) retirement. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:56, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Love me some bass! Viriditas (talk) 20:38, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Today's story is about Edith Mathis, who portrayed young women by Mozart. The video of a 1993 interview has videos of her performances. - You said bass: I saw my brother on stage, double bass, - see places. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:46, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I point at a composer today, as the main page does. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:23, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Makes me wonder what Takemitsu thought of Ralph Vaughan Williams. Viriditas (talk) 23:30, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: I wanted to thank you again for reminding me of Tōru Takemitsu. Although he is played almost every day on the classical musical station in Hawaii, I had not gone back and revisited his work in earnest since 1985, when Ran was all the rage. I was also unaware that he was the arranger of all of the famous guitar reinterpretations of songs by the Beatles, as I've heard them so many times and never stopped to read the liner notes listing his name. I spent about two hours listening to his work today, and it left me in a very unusual state of mind. Viriditas (talk) 08:34, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's great - spring flowers and a song bird in action --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Hawaii series by Georgia O'Keeffe

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Your GA nomination of John Hunter Thomas

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Amaranthus pakai

Aloha, I saw how much time you put into Amaranthus brownii and figured you might be interested in knowing that it now as a close relative which was just formally described: https://doi.org/10.3417/2025953

Its amazing that this species had its inoa Hawai'i preserved despite the species being overlooked by western botanists until now. It might also explain why A. brownii is extinct, if it was infected by the Wilsoniana pathogen too. Wasp32 (talk) 06:15, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Wasp32: Thank you for thinking of me. I will read the paper. Viriditas (talk) 20:39, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I will add the paper to the A. brownii article. Viriditas (talk) 20:47, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Wasp32: Can A. pakai be added to Wikispecies? [5] Viriditas (talk) 21:23, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Wasp32: Based on the paper, it looks like the article needs some significant changes. For example, in the table located in the notes section, it says that A. viridis ranges from Kure Atoll, Kaʻula, Kauai, Oahu, Lanai, Maui, Kahoolawe, to Hawaii. But the paper suggests that this was wrong based on a misidentification in Wagner et al., 1990. Based on the current paper A. viridis should now be replaced as A. pakai in this table. Can you confirm this is correct? Viriditas (talk) 21:38, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a wikispecies entry: https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Amaranthus_pakai

The current distribution of Amaranthus viridis is in Imada 2019 and was not affected by the publication of A. pakai so it does not need to be updated in the table of the A. brownii article (http://hbs.bishopmuseum.org/publications/pdf/tr69.pdf).

Best, Wasp32 (talk) 22:59, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Delivery After Raid

On 16 February 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Delivery After Raid, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that The London Milkman was staged? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Delivery After Raid. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Delivery After Raid), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Query for you

Can you help me with a hard-to-find item? I need to find the Talk Page where people discuss the requirement that headings not begin with articles. I ask you because you participated in this debate long ago. Thank you for your help. Sincerely, Opus33 (talk) 05:07, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So here's the dealio: I'm pretty good at tracking down old discussions, but this doesn't ring any bells. If you can give me a bit more info, such as the venue and year, that would help. Viriditas (talk) 09:07, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! The old discussion can be found at [6]. Opus33 (talk) 22:32, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, that's an old discussion. The US was still a democracy back then. Viriditas (talk) 22:36, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't give up hope. Thanks for giving it at try. Opus33 (talk) 00:51, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

DYK nomination of Hawaii series by Georgia O'Keeffe

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March music

story · music · places

Today: Carmen turns 150, as the main page and my story tell you. I chose a 1962 concert of the Habanera, - enjoy! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:15, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

On Ravel's birthday, we also think of a conductor and five more composers ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:05, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Today Rossini's latest "sin", as the main page has --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Today I could have written five stories off the main page, and chose Sofia Gubaidulina. I find the TFA also interesting, and two DYK, and a birthday OTD. How about you? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: Flight Pattern, Sofia Gubaidulina, Douglas Ahlstedt, Crystal Pite, and Simon Neal? Viriditas (talk) 23:46, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Almost, just Unity Temple that I had reviewed. You can simply check my user page any day ;) - preparing 21 March, and not Bach's birthday this year --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:50, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I knew I missed it. Thanks for the correction. Viriditas (talk) 23:57, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: What do you think of Nigel Eaton? I was unaware of the role the hurdy-gurdy played in church music until the other day. Viriditas (talk) 23:59, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(ec) I managed Ravel's opera centenary 3 minutes before midnight ;) - Too late for 200 years of the first UK performance of Beethoven's Ninth the same day, but also too similar, - I didn't know that they had commissioned it. - Never heard - too tired to look now. Travel tomorrow, - or rather: later today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:04, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

here it is OTD, on Bach's birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:23, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Today, 300 years of Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern, BWV 1! We sang works for (mostly) double choir by Pachelbel, Johann Christoph Bach, Kuhnau/Bach, Gounod and Rheinberger! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:42, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2018 quote

David Frum: "The government of the United States seems to have made common cause with the planet’s thugs, crooks, and dictators against its own ideals—and in fact to have imported the spirit of thuggery, crookedness, and dictatorship into the very core of the American state, into the most solemn symbolic oval center of its law and liberty. The man inside that oval center did not act alone. He held his power with the connivance of others. They executed his orders and empowered his whims for crass and cowardly reasons of their own: partisanship, ambition, greed for gain, eagerness for attention, ideological zeal, careerist conformity, or—in the worst cases—malicious glee in the wreck of things they could never have built themselves. They claim the symbols of the republic as they subvert its institutions. They pin the flag to their lapels before commencing the day’s work of lying, obstructing, and corrupting. They speak for America to a world that remembers a different and better America. But that memory is already fading into a question of whether it was not perhaps always an illusion, whether this new regime of deceit and brutishness will not only form the future—but whether it also retrospectively discredits the American past." Viriditas (talk) 13:51, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Email

I have sent the email for DYK prep building. Let me know if you need any clarification. SL93 (talk) 14:43, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@SL93: Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 21:13, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Point the Finger

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DYK for Hawaii series by Georgia O'Keeffe

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Nice hook! --Tryptofish (talk) 22:25, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not as good as yours, I'm afraid. Your shadow is too large. Viriditas (talk) 22:26, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, not at all. (But it never hurts to Beware The Dreaded Tryptofish.) --Tryptofish (talk) 22:32, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I still think your last hook was your best hook ever. Short and to the point. Shame you didn't get any credit. Viriditas (talk) 22:34, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Love it. APK hi :-) (talk) 02:04, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That’s very kind of you considering you are quite the expert when it comes to art. I will take that compliment and cherish it. Viriditas (talk) 02:25, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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A pie for you!

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story · music · places

Congratulations: Tout est lumière --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:57, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

today: a woman in red --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:44, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Check out my talk: for a great woman's Johannes-Passion (listen!), our music in detail, and three people who recently died and are on the main page (where she isn't). My call for collaboration has the first "no", and the second - for the Easter Oratorio - seems inevitable. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:41, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My story is about music that Bach and Picander gave the world 300 years (and 19 days) ago, - listen (on the conductor's birthday) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:05, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: What do you think of composer Anders Hillborg? It looks like he has several choral pieces. I am very impressed with his modern approach. We had nothing like this when I was younger, and I very much wish we did. Viriditas (talk) 10:37, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Never heard but sounds good. I have a bad memory, - he may be the author of a Summer Psalm that we like to sing. I'm in the middle of rewriting Easter Oratorio, - after it didn't make it to DYK and OTD on its 300th anniversary, I boldly (defiantly) nominated it for FAC, and now have to get it there. Later I'll explore Hillborg. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:39, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I finally managed to upload the pics I meant for Easter, see places. - Also finally, I managed a FAC, Easter Oratorio. I wanted that on the main page for Easter Sunday, but no, twice. You are invited to join a discussion about what "On this day" means, day or date. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:04, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I’m listening to a track from the upcoming album Wind Takes Flight, with soprano Julia Marie Sinclair. It’s a somewhat modern approach to Hildegard. They performed the work live last year.[7] I think what impressed me the most is the quality of the recording. Viriditas (talk) 09:23, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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May music

story · music · places

Recommended reading today: Christfried Schmidt, a story about patience. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:01, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

musings on 15 May --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:54, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

birthday of Erik Satie --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:04, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Gerda. I've been fascinated with Satie for a long time. I think it started in the early 1990s when I realized one day that Satie was one of the unsung sources for modern, popular music. Once you hear it, you can't unhear it. Anyway, his obsession with Valadon is endlessly fascinating, and his commentary about her "lovely eyes, gentle hands, and tiny feet" are just so entertaining. If I had a time machine, I would definitely set it to the time and date of a little nook in a bar where I could watch the two of them get on and paw each other over a couple glasses of absinthe. (I wouldn't want to disrupt the timeline). Just to see the two of them together. Wow. Viriditas (talk) 10:44, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lovely imagination! - Practically: I asked on Classical music (and my talk) if can get Satie's article to GA by his centenary (1 July). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:47, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: That's great. I never gave much thought to how much you can hear Satie in Debussy, but yes, it's there. I should pursue that a bit more. I had the most terrible earworm the other day: "Cheek to Cheek", the 1956 version by Ella Fitzgerald & Louis Armstrong. I couldn't get it out of my head for like 12 hours. Why have you and Naruto been fighting for so many years? I think he was a bit too harsh with you. I love your hooks and all the energy you devote to to the subject. Yes, you could dumb it down and get a bit more pedestrian to attract more people, but that's difficult to do. I've always had trouble writing hooks, so I can understand the dispute. Viriditas (talk) 10:57, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Why we dispute: because N. keeps provoking me. Something is wrong with the instructions if they recommend to say - about people with great life achievements - no hint at these achievements (arguing that the broad readership would not be interested) but something marginal like father's job, some award, ... you name it. Trivia. The greatest provocation in years was the suggestion to say about Alla Osipenko that she caused a sensation by her body-revealing costume, - and nothing else. And N. doesn't even notice that it makes me sick. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:55, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: It sounds like several different things going on. On the one hand you have a clash of stylistic approaches, but on the other, a reliance on view counts and what readers want. I'm often interested in the counterarguments. Do we really want to give people what they want? 24/7 hooks about sex and violence? Towards this end, I recently made a re-discovery of sorts. There's this element of chance, randomness, and chaos when it comes to education. In other words, we shouldn't be supporting the expectations of our readers when it comes to hooks, but rather undermining them by giving them something they wouldn't necessarily want or expect. Why do I say this? Of late, I've been experimenting more and more and going back and forth with listening straight through my audio playlists and alternatively, listening to them on random shuffle. What I've found, is more often than not, because of the thousands of audio selections, the random shuffle will often expose me to something new and interesting in a more immediate way. Just yesterday, I heard a rare interview with John Coltrane that I had never listened to before because of the shuffle. Who knows how long it would have taken me to discover if I had listened to my playlists straight through? This is a tortured analogy, but in the same way, the sheer differences in hook styles and approaches, such as yours, also randomly exposes people to things that they never would have even thought about, let alone known. This will never translate into heightened views by a general audience, so I disagree with N. and others when it comes to using this metric to determine what is interesting or educational. This is also why the best things in life tend to be mostly unknown. What is often good, great, or excellent in terms of content or overall value is rarely if ever popular. These kinds of abstract ideas are often discussed in other contexts. For example, on Reddit, there are frequent discussions about cultural affectations for things, whether it is food, books, music, films, whatever. One thing you keep running into is this hostility to new things and experiences. There is this baseline of plain vanilla sameness that underlines consumer culture and is promoted at the highest levels, from brands to political parties, to entertainment products. Yesterday, I even heard a political scientist talk about this! She said that what they really need to discuss is structural reform of the US political system, but no single politician can do that on camera because it doesn’t translate into sound bites used on social media or in infotainment. This is fascinating. We can’t do what needs to be done because we can’t even talk about it due to the constraints put on public discourse and the reception from the public. Recent research has uncovered that much of this in recent years has come from Wall Street, which has infiltrated entertainment in such a way so as to basically eliminate anything new and unique. This is why it is so hard to find new and different content that doesn't resemble older content. I think we are also seeing this trend here in DYK. Any attempt to do something differently or out of the ordinary is perceived as "lacking views", which translates into lacking interest. But real interest doesn't work that way. That's the commodification, monetization, and click-model that Wall Street infected the internet with as a result of financialization. It's the primary engine of enshittification, and is the hostile enemy of true creativity and originality. That's what you are up against. My suggestion is to keep doing what you are doing, but find a way to adapt your approach to the house style by making it more palatable to the general public. Viriditas (talk) 00:07, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Great thoughts, waking me up, thank you!! Back to little DYK: the rule is not too bad: something interesting from the article, but I believe we should add "about the subject". The profession of any subject's father - if it were interesting which I don't think - is nothing introducing the subject, and even if we'd add "primaballerina of the Kirov Ballet" (which would give her a top position, time and place): why mention the father at all when there are so many things that could be said about her? This is all theory because I won't take the trouble of making the article GA only to have that discussion, but it's a good example. I think excluding topics because they are believed to be not interesting is censoring, and prevents readers from meeting the new and unexpected. Was I surprised reading that she was the one to have starred with Nurejev in Paris the night before he defected! I confess to have never heard her name (or forgot) until she came up under the recent deaths. - Back from theory to reality: Easter Oratorio needs a new hook, again. Perhaps we'll discuss until the 301st Easter after the premiere comes ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:27, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For what it's worth, I too find DYK oddly resistant to good writing of hooks, favoring blandness. I've had multiple experiences where reviewers chose to go with blander language, even when that reduced the "hookiness". Some of it seems like a rules-for-the-sake-of-rules mentality. It's a general problem with Wikipedia, but it's particularly noticeable at DYK. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:02, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, feel understood! - All Verdi today: tenor Luigi Alva and the premiere OTD of his Requiem, see my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:26, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A first: two stories about two people who worked together and died the same day --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:46, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau, born 100 years ago, described by Alan Blyth --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:37, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

reasons to look at Bach (and listen): it's a recent GA (not by me), he assumed the position of Thomaskantor OTD in 1723, he's up for PR, and several of his cantatas for GA, and his Easter Oratorio for FAC --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:15, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: Thank you for the update. I was just listening to Peter Gregson's reinterpretation (recomposition) of the Cello Suites. It's interesting to hear a youthful take on it. Viriditas (talk) 12:18, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sentient (intelligence analysis system)

Hello! Back when I first dipped my toes in the water toward GA, you had come over to Sentient (intelligence analysis system) at Talk:Sentient (intelligence analysis system)#GA Review last July.

I was foolishly nowhere near ready. I've been going hammer and chisel rather hard on it--this long gone version here is what you would have seen versus now, 185 edits later. I'm not ready to resubmit it yet. But... if you had availability or interest, I was curious if you'd be willing to give it an informal once over, and let me know if I'm close to escape velocity for GA here? Or am I not on the launchpad yet? Thanks!

(I'm still planning at least one more full sweep sentence by sentence at least.) -- Very Polite Person (talk) 20:11, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Very Polite Person: It's looking much improved. I am more than happy to review it when you're ready. Let me know. Viriditas (talk) 22:36, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Viriditas. Another 100+ edits and I just submitted it: Sentient (intelligence analysis system). -- Very Polite Person (talk) 21:47, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Very Polite Person: Per MOS:CITELEAD, does your lead section need citations? Viriditas (talk) 00:02, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I was leaning toward an abundance of caution from the Complex ... subjects may require many citations point of view, since the topic is rather complex. Plus, being honest, my forays into two controversial pages have made me possibly overly-sensitive on citing things out the wazoo for the sake of caution. By the guidance, they can stay or go and I'd tried it both ways. I'm pretty sure there's no one who would call this page controversial or current, so I defaulted to complex and left them.

If you think that's over-thinking/over-worrying about it on my part, they're just an edit from the recycle bin. -- Very Polite Person (talk) 01:03, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine, just wondering about your thought process. Viriditas (talk) 01:04, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Very Polite Person: I have an incredibly silly question for you: your article says the development program for Sentient began in 2009, with some declassification in 2010. Coincidentally, it was in 2010 that Jonathan Nolan and J.J. Abrams began writing Person of Interest, which is a TV show based on "the Machine", a Sentient-like system. Is there any connection between the two subjects, such that one influenced the other? Your article says that in 2010, "These were the first public references to what would become Sentient". Do you think Nolan and Abrams based their show on these public references? Viriditas (talk) 01:25, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It may well have -- that's the exact right time frame. Working on this is actually what led me directly toward Christopher Mellon. These kinds of topics are one of my things to work on. The Nolans did something like it before that in the The Dark Knight, at the end with the mass surveillance phones tracking everything. I know people in the industry, and the more financially successful some creators have entire staff that help them.

Like, we'd just assume someone like Swift or Oprah have a staff, for whatever roles. Top filmmakers pull similar cash and a lot more for the studios, so they have them too. Nerds like us, who help on research. Put some cool stuff in front of the genius creative brain... and voila, Person of Interest. If one of them literally popped in here and said: "Yep," I wouldn't even be surprised.

You ever seen Enemy of the State (film)? -- Very Polite Person (talk) 01:51, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I think the major difference between the two is that the system in EOTS wasn't truly autonomous and was more concerned with mass surveillance as you said. Whereas the system in POI was both autonomous and used by bad actors in the same way as EOTS, but with more of a nefarious goal in mind. This also ties in with a lot of philosophy of technology, eugenics, tescrealism, etc. This is super interesting because Nolan continued this theme in Westworld and followed it out to its logical conclusion.[8] In fact there is somewhat of a continuity between the system in POI and the quantum computer known as Rehoboam in WW. Thanks for the discussion. Viriditas (talk) 02:06, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Anytime. These might be fun for you, I started on them recently: Artificial intelligence in government and Algocracy, and some of the stuff around the blue links from there. It starts heading into some creepy and "over our collective species dead bodies no way" rich-person technocracy horrors... instead of like the good technocracy where we let doctors take point on medical law guidance, the civic engineers on road safety law, etc.... which can ultimately lead to The Culture kind of AI stuff. But less awesome Will Smith getting chased by the NSA in DC scenes. -- Very Polite Person (talk) 02:14, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry -- I just recalled Roko's basilisk and thought it may in the wheelhouse of your curiosity. -- Very Polite Person (talk) 02:45, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You’re a Very Funny Person. My wheelhouse right now is in describing the rationalist and tescrealist movements as cults with roots in religion. Viriditas (talk) 02:49, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Very Polite Person: I don't see the statements in the lead section for Sentient as controversial, so as long as the statements are cited in the body, they don't need sources in the lead. Also, you don't need such a long see also section. It looks like you can easily add those links to the article. Finally, consider why you are using three different citations at the end of a sentence. That looks like citation overkill. If you really need to do that, bundle your cites. Viriditas (talk) 01:24, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The lede, I agree, doesn't need them. I just pulled the lede cites. I did a quick clean up pass. -- Very Polite Person (talk) 02:21, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Try to focus on first usage on a consistent basis. You have AI as an abbreviation farther down than it should be. After first usage you can then use the term AI for a subsequent usage to save space. Follow this convention for everything else. Viriditas (talk) 06:03, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your grammar needs some work. See the difference between a and an, for example. Viriditas (talk) 06:13, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Going to bring this up now rather than later: in the short sections that you have with one paragraph, consider if those short sections can be expanded to two paragraphs, if not, consider if they should be merged with other sections to make them longer. While I don't have anything against short sections with one paragraph, I've noticed that many other editors do. I don't know if this has to do with changing styles or what, but it's best to head this off at the pass before it becomes an issue. Viriditas (talk) 09:44, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Re paragraph size and structure -- I actually prefer a slightly beefier passage and originally had it like that back here. For some reason I'd decided granular was maybe better, but I've undone it.

Another 37~ edits in, what do you think? Sentient (intelligence analysis system) -- Very Polite Person (talk) 16:36, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

First paragraph in "Academic and media reporting" is unsourced and you're using WP:CONTRACT. Viriditas (talk) 23:31, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Earwig report looks good. Viriditas (talk) 01:34, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Prose and MOS look good. Viriditas (talk) 01:35, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Seeing issues with MOS:CURLY, likely due to your editing on mobile or some other platform/OS. Viriditas (talk) 02:21, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I sometimes bounce back and forth between OSX and Windows and Linux (I only read on mobile). I'm now realizing I basically read the MOS on curly vs straight backward, literally. At least it's an easy fix... -- Very Polite Person (talk) 02:27, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Images look good. You should try and see if the PDF for File:NRO Sapp Sentient Future Ground Architecture 2016 slide.jpg is available and extract the image or screenshot. Those presentations are usually available online and the quality of the extracted image/page would be much higher than what you have now. Alternatively, you could try and recreate the diagram on your own. A quick search for "GEOINT 2016 PDF" shows it is probably online. Viriditas (talk) 01:39, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lead section appears to have material not found in the body, for example, the "artificial brain" ("Classified at the highest levels, it has been described as an “artificial brain"." Also, when you quote something, follow it up with a citation, even in the lead.) Viriditas (talk) 02:00, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Huh, I literally didn't notice that I excluded that prime cut quote from the body, or cut it somewhere. Let me put it back in.

Do I need to even have it in quotes given how Scoles uses it here...?

I'm trying to find that PPT or PDF if it exists online.

(And thank you for your extreme graciousness as I edit.) -- Very Polite Person (talk) 02:06, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you need the quotes, but I am concerned with the metaphor of the artificial brain in general, as I've heard other voices in the tech space dispute this analogy, although they may be minority voices. I will ask User:Tryptofish for guidance here. It might also be a good idea for them to look at your article. The more eyes, the better. Viriditas (talk) 02:24, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! I'm hardly married to the phrase and it seems like Scoles coined it there in regard to Sentient--all the other articles that bring it up all came after her article. -- Very Polite Person (talk) 02:27, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Replying to the ping, I looked at the page with respect to putting the term "artificial brain" in quote marks. Starting with just a formatting issue, I made this edit: [9]. It's got nothing to do with the merits, but it follows Wikipedia's house style for whether or not to put periods, commas, and similar punctuation marks inside, or outside, quotation marks. It's given at MOS:LQ, and you might want to check the other quotes on the page for their conformity to that.

Now to the more substantive matter, I personally would not put it in scare quotes, unless you want to imply (in Wikipedia's voice) that the term is controversial. Given that we have a page on the topic, I don't think it's that controversial, but I don't know enough about Sentient to advise whether or not it might be controversial to apply the term there. I think Viriditas is also asking me how I feel about the term artificial brain more generally (as a neuroscientist), and I don't have a problem with using the term, because it's self-evident that it isn't "the real thing". As of May 2025, artificial brains are nowhere near to matching real brains, but I don't see that as confusing the reader, and I don't have any issues with writing about them as they are today.

If there's anything else you'd like me to look at there, please just ask, and I'll be happy to.

Unrelated, but while I'm here, V, I'm not sure if you noticed: [10]. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks both @Viriditas and @Tryptofish. I tweaked it out. -- Very Polite Person (talk) 23:34, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For your service...

		The GA barnstar
		I don't know if people still give these out, but you deserve it for all the help you give in GA reviews. Hope you have a wonderful week! APK hi :-) (talk) 03:28, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! I haven’t forgotten about the Hopper project. Just trying to tie up some loose ends at the moment. Viriditas (talk) 04:57, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted talk page comments

The next time time you delete my talk page comments, I will report you at ANI. Please refrain from that sort of thing. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 04:01, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I read your usual threats in the voice of Daffy Duck. Report away. It's duck season! Viriditas (talk) 04:52, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Copyeditor's Barnstar
	Thanks for the work cleaning up Technical geography. I appreciate the extra eyes on it! GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 02:04, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

DYK review help

I thought you did a great job reviewing my DYK, Targeting of law firms and lawyers under the second Trump administration, even if it won't get on the main page. I was wondering if you might be willing to help me with another DYK issue.

I am trying to get Irve Tunick on the main page for his birthday (i,e., June 27), but I am having two issues related to this that I wanted to seek your guidance on.

First, I had one editor reviewing the Irve Tunick article, (DaniloDaysOfOurLives). I think everything was done and the article was good to pass but he has had some medical issues and hasn't responded to me in a bit. So I wasn't sure how to move that forward with the review.

Second, in order to complete my QPQ, I needed to review another article so I reviewed John P. Morris. I think I did it all correctly but I wasn't sure if you could take a look to make sure procedurally I didn't miss anything Template:Did you know nominations/John P. Morris.

I thought you may be able to help me with these things since you have been so helpful before. But if you don't have time, don't worry about it. I will figure it out anther way. Thanks again! Remember (talk) 18:32, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Remember: I might be able to take a look at it tomorrow or the next day, but I've got some other things to do right now. Regarding the Targeting of law firms DYK, you could throw a Hail Mary by picking a new hook, and make it the most vanilla hook you can think of; no controversy of any kind, but make sure it is interesting. Then leave a note on the DYK talk page telling them what you did and see if anyone will consider passing it. Viriditas (talk) 20:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I’ll try that! Thank you! Remember (talk) 20:40, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, my apologies, I will review the rest of the DYK later today. I didn't know that you had fixed the issue as I must have missed the ping – I was waiting for it to be fixed. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 20:16, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. Thank you! Remember (talk) 20:39, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Monymusk Reliquary

Thanks re the see also argument; you are very articulate, but it should be fine. Spend a long in weekend in Glasgow and a night in Edinburgh a few weeks back and finally got to see the reliquary. It's so tiny and yet so detailed, was breathless. The NS Museum is huge and so the "medieval church" area was hard to find, had to ask several guides to point me towards the various twist and turns. It was recently covered in Archelogy Ireland, so may update the article. Best. Ceoil (talk) 23:35, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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June music

story · music · places

The places: a day full of great discoveries, culminating in Oliwa Cathedral which was called a must-see by Graham Waterhouse (subject of my first article, filling a red link) who played the organ once. Dinner right next to the Abbot's Palace, where Penderecki had also been a guest.

The story: Bazon Brock spoke at an exhibition at Kolumba to honour Anna and Bernhard Blume on her 80th birthday. [11] Did you know "An Anna Blume"? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:15, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have Easter Oratorio on the main page, but of course told the story, which is admittedly complex, on Easter Sunday for the music's 300th anniversary. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:53, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Stravinsky pictured on his birthday + Vienna pics - but too many who died + I have a "defiant" cantata up for GA --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:31, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

too many died, see my story and listen to Comfort ye (sung in German) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:13, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'll hear today's topic today, - you can listen before I do because it was streamed yesterday - I am not happy with the death focus for the tenor, or actually any person, said so in the nom but feel not heard --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:55, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: People hear you darling Gerda, and I agree with you in principle, but in practice the only way to implement your suggestion is for the article body itself to have content along those same lines that is also interesting. How do we ride the line between informing, educating, and maintaining interest? I don't know, and I disagree strongly with many others who say that x number of people won't know about y. But I swallow my disagreement and move on. There's only so much you can do when you are up against an insurmountable force of opposition. Try to change your approach moving forward by accommodating those concerns. I know you don't want to and you think you're right, but find a middle ground. Viriditas (talk) 20:50, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Returning from the concert of my story. Listen perhaps (stream of yesterday, today different place and partly different program), - I'm full of music and not in the mood to discuss the lowlands of DYK. I wrote two biographies of people who took their life and didn't nominate them for DYK, intentionally so, that was decent, and I should have done the same with Gorai. My mistake. The tenor was from Ukraine, bright voice like the one who died, singing with the choir during the final movement, and I was close to tears. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:36, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: Posthumous, viral fame is a real thing, as distasteful as you might find it. Negativity bias is very much at work on DYK. You should directly address that in defense of your position. Viriditas (talk) 22:13, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am full of music, the tenor even has an article (rather poor though), click on music: it's not about taste but integrity. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:22, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I understand what you are saying, but please understand what I am saying: if and when you get back to the "lowlands" of DYK and take up this argument once again (as I know you will), you will be far more successful by pointing to the problem of negativity bias, which is a way to defend your position. I'm trying to help. Viriditas (talk) 22:38, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

see, I said bye to DYK when 2023 began, waste of time and life is short, but try to bring those articles to the added attention that comes with it that 1) fullfil the requirements (while most of the Recent deaths articles I deal with are too "old" and not sufficiently expanded), 2) are not by me alone, 3) have what every credit says: "Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page." I have begun to strike that sentence when - instead of what I found was interesting to say about the subject something different was presented. I wish that DYK should have a guideline saying that the hook should say something substantial about the subject, not something tangential. "negative bias" wasn't in my vocabulary, my English is limited, I wouldn't be able to use it with understanding, so please feel invited to argue but let my do article work. You may have seen in the Klaus König nom that I question if that this person portraying Tannhäuser well - a highly complex and interesting character which to learn about might be interesting for readers so far unfamiliar - should be described only as someone who trained as a housepainter. How that would be interesting to any readers escapes me, and perhaps you could mediate? I let most new articles and also most RD expanded this year go without a DYK attempt, - did you notice? - I though I made my creed in something meaningful introducing the subject clear in the five years this already lasts (since Yoninah died), but - shaking head in disbelief about another housepainter proposal - obviously not. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:00, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Scandinavian migration to the Hawaiian Kingdom

On 11 June 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Scandinavian migration to the Hawaiian Kingdom, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Beta (pictured) brought Scandinavians to the Hawaiian Kingdom to work on sugarcane plantations? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Scandinavian migration to the Hawaiian Kingdom. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Scandinavian migration to the Hawaiian Kingdom), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:02, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Beta (1864 barque)

On 11 June 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Beta (1864 barque), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Beta (pictured) brought Scandinavians to the Hawaiian Kingdom to work on sugarcane plantations? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Scandinavian migration to the Hawaiian Kingdom. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Beta (1864 barque)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:02, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A suggestion

There are almost certainly legitimate policy-based grounds to revert User:Flavor of the Month's ranting on the Loughner and Tucson shooting article talk pages. It would probably be advisable to cite some in your edit summaries, rather than engaging in pointless finger-pointing about who is killing who, along with irrelevancies about time zones. Using an edit summary as a forum while deleting content for doing the same really isn't a good look. [12] AndyTheGrump (talk) 09:17, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if "[t]here are almost certainly legitimate policy-based grounds to revert," why don't you actually cite a few? Or even one? I've posted not one, not two, but three reliable sources:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obbbnhf03FY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzqS-AK9YoQ

https://spectator.org/jared-loughners-zeitgeist-obsession/

Now, please explain to me, like I'm five years old, exactly why the two of you (User:Viriditas and User:AndyTheGrump) are reverting me. If you can't cite a policy, my edits stand.WP:IDONTLIKEIT is not a policy. Flavor of the Month (talk) 09:55, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted your edit to the ledes of the two articles per WP:DUE, and should probably also have mentioned MOS:LEDE too, since it is clearly pertinent. At which point it was open to you to start a discussion on the relevant article talk page - a reasoned, civil discussion, not an obnoxious rant, full of your own irrelevant opinions. As I made clear above, I think that Viriditas could have given a better edit summary when reverting your talk page edits, but regardless, they weren't appropriate for multiple reasons. As a means to present an argument for inclusion of content, attacking people before they have even participated in discussions, claiming to be some sort of impartial expert while demanding personal details from others, and engaging in facile speculations and conspiracy theories is a poor tactic, and liable to backfire. Maybe if you tried to come across less like a total asshole, you'd possibly get somewhere. AndyTheGrump (talk) 11:54, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Flavor of the Month has started an ANI thread on this issue, failing to notify either of us as required. [13] AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:19, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ANI

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding another editor's comments in a talk page discussion you were involved in. The thread is 2011 Tucson shootings and Jared Lee Loughner. (I thought I'd provide the link just to be safe.) » Gommeh (he/him) 14:16, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Charlie Hardy (politician)

Based on your interest in Jules Rabin, I thought you might be interested in Charlie Hardy, a former Catholic priest who has run for statewide office in Wyoming several times. He definitely meets notability guidelines even though he hasn’t won any races- he’s gotten a ton of press and a documentary film was made about him. Thriley (talk) 16:53, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Thriley: I appreciate the notice. My interest lies at the intersection and confluence of different streams of thought that by themselves don't mean all that much, but when they come together take on a kind of momentum and emerge as something new to forge a path in an altogether different direction from where they began. I will look into Hardy later tonight. Thank you. Viriditas (talk) 00:03, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thriley, just to give you an idea of what I’m talking about. I’m trying to write about Jules Tavernier in Hawaii. It’s difficult because the info is sparse and contradictory, with even famous historians making strange comments and accusations. While struggling with that research, it turns out that everything connected to Tavernier has its own interest and story, sometimes surpassing Tavernier himself. One of these people is Julian Rix. He lived with Tavernier in SF at his famous art studio. It turns out that Rix’s work was instrumental in preserving the forests of what later became known as Adirondack Park. Rix’s work raised public awareness about the destruction of the forests due to logging. That’s the kind of thing that interests me. Viriditas (talk) 00:41, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Got it. Thought maybe you have an interest in the 20th century American peace movement? I've got a ton of drafts in related areas- environmentalists, anti-war activists, Catholic Workers, back to the land advocates, etc. I'm too aware of the gaps in threads of thought all over Wikipedia even after nearly 25 years of its existence. Thriley (talk) 05:03, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I’m interested in the interconnecting patterns that emerge from that kind of list. For example, the reason I started the Bishop James Pike page is because his name kept popping up while I was studying PKD. From there, the connections get wild, absolutely fascinating, and I never pursued half of them. Pike’s wife, Esther Yanovsky, for example, has a deep connection with the history of San Francisco, but there’s not a word about it on Wikipedia. Those are the kind of connections that brought me to Rabin when I saw he had visited the Community of the Ark. What isn’t discussed is that Lanza del Vasto and Rabin may have crossed paths much earlier during the peace walk days. These gaps in the historical record make me sit-up straight and pay attention. Similarly, Pike got PKD all wound up and twisted on VALIS and then Pike up and disappears in the desert where he is found dead. PKD then imagines he is being visited by the ghost of Pike, etc. This stuff writes itself, I barely have to do anything. Viriditas (talk) 09:27, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for At the Time of the Louisville Flood

On 24 June 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article At the Time of the Louisville Flood, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the iconic 1937 photograph "At the Time of the Louisville Flood" identifiably depicts neither Louisville nor the flood? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/At the Time of the Louisville Flood. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, At the Time of the Louisville Flood), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 12:03, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

		Hook update
		Your hook reached 8,326 views (693.8 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of June 2025 – nice work!

GalliumBot (talk • contribs) (he/it) 21:25, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Roger A. Freeman (economist)

On 28 June 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Roger A. Freeman (economist), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that economist Roger A. Freeman questioned the value of college and favored limiting access to it to a select few? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Roger A. Freeman (economist). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Roger A. Freeman (economist)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

RoySmith (talk) 12:03, 28 June 2025 (UTC) [reply]

story · music · places

Thank you! - Check out my talk, - if you have little time, listen to Gilda Cruz-Romo in the final scene of Aida, if you have more read her article, and if you have still more check out my music, some sung with me in choir, some played by friends, all heard with friends. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:30, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Today is Bastille Day, commemorated by a DYK as my "story" and a visit to the Bastille Opera in "music". I like the interview coming with the story, on the day before the big event, but for pomp and circumstance, the affair with 600 singing children and orchestra, and the singer dressed in the national flag, was also captured on videos, much slower. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:09, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Three Ukrainian topics were on the main page today, at least at the beginning, RD and DYK, - see my talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:41, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Three of "my" recent deaths bios are on the main page right now, one my story today, Gary Karr, and I loved to find his breakthrough concert in 1962 as a video. In my music today I match it with 9 other double bassists, 7 conducted by a person who's birthday is today - coincidence ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:48, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Béatrice Uria-Monzon and her story --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

On Bach's day of death, I decorated my user pages in memory, with his music, and my story ends on "peace". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:13, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jahrhundertring remembered today, with the picture of a woman who can't believe what she has to see. - In addition to what I said on WT:DYK: I always have a set of DYK I like on my user page. I'd never think of top 10. I rather match them to the time (Bach cantata of the Sunday) and the articles further up. On Bach's day of death, most were around Bach. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:30, 31 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That was super fun and educational.

Thank you. -- Very Polite Person (talk) 15:29, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wish us luck... Template:Did you know nominations/Sentient (intelligence analysis system)... -- Very Polite Person (talk) 15:49, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just remember to keep the articles and the DYK pages on your watchlist. Most problems arise when editors forget to do that. This happened to me a few days ago. I forgot to watchlist a bio and hook I created. It ended up on the main page with vandalism that had been there for a week. D'oh. Also, if a reviewer asks you to make a change or answer a question and you miss it, the review can end up getting closed out. As long as you have everything watchlisted you'll be fine. Viriditas (talk) 21:26, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Paras

Thanks for the comment on Wilf Pine. I find what you say almost unbelievable. The para lengths are totally standard and no different to today's FA (Goblin shark), so I'm baffled. If young people find it all too vexing, well, what can I say?! Ericoides (talk) 10:15, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I know. FA is somewhat out of touch with the general readership. I love large paragraphs, it's what I grew up on. Heck, Kerouac wrote his original draft of On the Road on a scroll with no paragraph breaks at all. That's the kind of thing I'm used to, but people under 30 will tell you that they can't or won't read it. Something to do with how the internet changed the way people scan and read text. You can do a deep dive on it to find out more. Viriditas (talk) 10:23, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've got two kids myself, and I think everything should be done to encourage them to extend their attention spans. Coping with long paras is excellent training (that said, I have added six or so para breaks to the piece). By their age (yawn, yawn) I'd read maybe 1,000 books. Neither one of them has picked up a book all year, so I do appreciate what you are saying. Btw, does anyone review DYKs anymore? I've not done one for over a decade, but I seem to recall the process being somewhat speedier. Ericoides (talk) 11:26, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I reviewed your nom. Just add the missing citations and offer an ALT0a and I will pass. Viriditas (talk) 03:31, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for this and for the c/e. I'll get to it today if I can. Ericoides (talk) 05:33, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My DYK nomination

Hello. Long time no see on Wikipedia. That is partially my fault during our last encounter. Anyway, with my hat in my hand, I have changed my mind, and have humbly asked that if possible, I would like this nomination to proceed. I said the same and also apologized on the DYK template [14]. And I will be glad if you want to review this nomination. I didn't know you are involved with DYK. Regards, Steve Quinn (talk) 22:15, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I restored it. I would recommend working with someone like User:Tryptofish. They are much better at shaping hooks than I am. Viriditas (talk) 01:05, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Got it. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 13:11, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's a bit later and I just realized something regarding Tryptofish, or any one else, shaping hooks. I think there is a philosophical point that should not be overlooked, Do we editors shape the hook, or does the hook shape us? An academic paper might be the product of attempting to answer these questions. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 18:51, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

By popular request

Related to your discussion on Tryptofish's talk page [15] , and by YOUR popular demand, there is now a Wikipedia article entitled (wait for it) (drumroll please!) "Gen Z stare." Feel free to jump in and add content here. In fact, that would be much appreciated as I don't know how much time I have for editing within the next few days. Regards, ---Steve Quinn (talk) 22:43, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You're a star! Viriditas (talk) 22:44, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You can have the honor of doing the DYK nomination for it as well. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 22:46, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You're funny. I ain't touching that page. Viriditas (talk) 22:47, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for starting the page. I can't take my eyes off it! --Tryptofish (talk) 22:54, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Steve Quinn and Tryptofish: There's been a huge uptick in articles about this subject. The i Paper has a great new opinion piece about the subject by columnist Rose O'Sullivan.[16] It's one of the best I've seen so far because it is written by a zoomer and explains the phenomenon perfectly to those who still don't get it. You should be able to read the link I posted up above in your browser (hint: toggle reader view). Viriditas (talk) 23:08, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nickie Wang gives a shorter, but more academic-like treatment of the idea in the Manila Standard.[17] It's really well done, as she covers all the major points in a little over five paragraphs. It's perfect. Viriditas (talk) 23:13, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

More recent coverage: Samantha Chery, "Why the Gen Z stare has every generation talking". The Washington Post. [18] Chery offers concrete examples of the stare from popular culture, like a scene from The White Lotus. Viriditas (talk) 23:20, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There are two new articles in The Advertiser (Adelaide), but I'm not sure that's a reliable source. It's too bad because the articles by Cassidy Pearce and Lynton Grace are pretty good, but they do seem more tabloid-like than not. I thought some of the ideas Grace wrote about were fairly relevant. Viriditas (talk) 23:29, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's worth saying at the AfD. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:33, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Which I just did: [19]. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:44, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So, apparently people have been talking about this idea for a while now, but it only was given a name last week. The new film Eddington (2025), which was made in 2024, apparently has a scene about the Gen Z stare, at least according to WaPo film critic Ann Hornaday in a July 16 review. ("Modern-day western spurred by covid"). This is something I've been trying to pursue. I suspect the Gen Z stare has been in the media a lot, but going by other names. Still looking into it. Viriditas (talk) 23:48, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent. Thanks very much. I've been wanting to finish my DYK stuff on that other article. But my time on Wikipedia has been occupied with the stuff related to the Gen Z stare, including the Wikipedia article itself.

Viriditas, it seems you saw the rocket ship taking off that an article on this topic would be - based on your brief comments on Tryptofish's talk page here. Take a look at the number of page-views since this article was created here. You should wear a seat belt because, otherwise, you will probably fall over in your chair. Regards, ---Steve Quinn (talk) 02:16, 21 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Viriditas and Tryptofish, current page views on 7/22/2025 are 25,289. This is wild! ---Steve Quinn (talk) 19:20, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Damn, you beat out 3.5% rule! --Tryptofish (talk) 19:35, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tryptofish, sorry if I gave the wrong impression. The number that I quoted above (or whatever) is the number of page views since the creation of the article - not for a single day. The number I gave was for six or seven days. Here is the link for that: [20]. The page views for the "3.5% rule" is currently 34,887. So the "3.5% rule" still has more than "Gen Z stare." Here is the link for that [21] ----Steve Quinn (talk) 21:29, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, and no worries. (But I'm still quietly fuming because someone tried to PROD ~~3.5% rule.~~) --Tryptofish (talk) 21:50, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I must be fuming, because it was another article I started, not that one, ShipGoo001. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:54, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's craziness, and with an irrational rationale. That editor needs to read at least some of the content policies and guidelines before they start PRODing or AfDjng. They should attempt creating some articles first. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 02:30, 24 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for saying that, I appreciate it. I'm relieved to log in today, and not find an AfD for it. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:51, 24 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Probably a revenge PROD for keeping Gen Z stare. We see a lot of those. Also, I'm surprised you haven't broken 30k yet. Viriditas (talk) 21:19, 24 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've definitely been noticing a pattern, that looks new to me, of deletion arguments based on something that is not in policy, but that would sound reasonable to the general public who aren't familiar with Wikipedia P&G (not going to say more, WP:BEANS). I've been looking online for any kind of organizing, but haven't found it. In my opinion, some of this is coming from the Heritage Foundation looking to gin up sentiment that "Wikipedia publishes junk". --Tryptofish (talk) 21:41, 24 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In other news, did you see the video of Jerome Powell fact checking Temu Hitler in real time? Viriditas (talk) 22:09, 24 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, no. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:37, 24 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's the big news item of the day, so I'm sure you'll see it later. It made my day, that's for sure. Viriditas (talk) 22:40, 24 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, you were talking about Powell and T-rump, and I was too dumb to figure that out. (But at least I should get some cred for my Barbie-related comments here (second part).) Yes, I get it now. Myself, I'm enjoying the Epstein stuff more, and closely following the under-reported health issues. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:17, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gonna watch Sermon on the 'Mount later tonight. Only so much time in a day! Viriditas (talk) 19:38, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You have my blessing. As if you needed it. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:41, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Someone still needs to watch Eddington! A screenshot can be used in Gen Z stare as we have critical commentary pointing to it. Side note: Pedro Pascal in in almost every film. Lucky guy to be at the top of his career like this. Viriditas (talk) 19:50, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I so want to see that film, but am waiting for it to come onto streaming. Totally agree about Pascal. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:53, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think it says it will stream on August 12. BTW, the American media is cowering in fear from Trump and is barely reporting anything Trump would find offensive. This lawsuit was filed yesterday, and not a single peep from the NYT, WaPo, Chron, LATimes, nothing, nada, zilch. This is why I'm getting most of my news from outside the US now. Viriditas (talk) 20:17, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tryptofish I also notice a pattern with these edits and I am curious about them - such as what is their preferred brand of SOCK? I know socks come in pairs at the department store, but after that you might only find one. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 15:00, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

All I'm gonna say is that they need to be washed, because they smell bad. Actually, to make a narrow distinction, I think I'm seeing WP:MEAT more than I'm seeing WP:SOCK. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:07, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Got it! Probably so. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 20:32, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I'm at the deli looking at puppets. It's new place in town, but an old story. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 20:38, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Anyway, congrats on the keep result at the AfD about the Stare case. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:42, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't realize the AfD has been closed. I'll go take a look. Thanks for the congratulations. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 21:54, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Good job. Did either of you watch "Sermon on the 'Mount" yet? I just watched it last night. There's a super funny scene that nobody is talking about that you kind of have to hit pause and rewind and watch in slo-mo. It's the scene of the president walking down a hall with portraits in the background. Frankly, I found it the funniest scene out of the entire episode. Viriditas (talk) 22:01, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not yet, but we both respect your authority. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:07, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My cable company seems to have censored one scene that mentions having a problem with Jesus in the schools. It's the intro right after the outro when Cartman forces Butters into a suicide pact (which is admittedly super funny because they decide to use an electric car to do it, which of course doesn't produce CO). PC Principal says: "Mr. Marsh, I've called you into my office because I understand that you have a problem with Jesus in our schools." The bolded part was muted by my cable company. I've gone back and watched it several times. It's muted. I only know what it says due to CC. Viriditas (talk) 22:14, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Facepalm --Tryptofish (talk) 22:17, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if you follow Seth Andrews online, but he's a super cool guy and his podcasts are really interesting. I enjoy his call-in shows because you get a sense of the vibe across the country and even the world with international callers. Anyway, he did a podcast episode a few weeks back for fun that focused on his addiction to British TV shows. I don't think most Americans have any idea how much their media is censored compared to the UK. Viriditas (talk) 22:25, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think Eddington will have to come to streaming services for anyone to get a screen shot, unless there is another way that I don't know about. I definitely want to see this movie. Looking forward to watching South Park's Sermon on the Mount when I get the chance. This episode seems to have caused a lot of buzz.

I'll check out Seth Andrews' podcasts to see what is up with that. I might call in and say that "your podcast was strongly recommended by Viriditas on Wikipedia. Take a look at his talk page for verification." ---Steve Quinn (talk) 14:26, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Andrews is incredible. I can't recommend him enough. Something weird is currently going on with his podcast feeds so you may have to look online for the full set. The feed listing on iTunes is all messed up. I've seen this kind of thing happen before but I don't know what the fix is. You're better off finding the complete set of episodes either on spreaker or youtube. Those two sites are reliable and have the full feeds. No idea why iTunes is hosed. His decision to take a stand against MAGA and Trump cost him some percentage of listeners, but it's the reason I've become so supportive of him. He's a light in the darkness for a lot of people, and he's told his supporters who don't like the direction he's taken to take a hike. Nothing milquetoast or centrist about this guy. Viriditas (talk) 02:07, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

------ (new topic). It is amazing that editors are permitted to write plot summaries for novels and films without using reliable sources to do so. I think it is the same attitude regarding synopses for nonfiction books. The Eddington article on Wikipedia is a recent prime example.

This means that we are trusting every editor that writes one of these to be accurate based on their own recall or whatever. That is simply WP:OR. Or maybe the plot is paraphrased or summarized from publicist's materials, which is just as bad. I think I recall that Viriditas doesn't have a problem with this. Well, to each their own.

However, at some point I would like to have a Wikipedia-wide RFC and discussion about this. I don't know how this developed into an acceptable practice. I think we need to go back to the days where content needs to reflect what reliable sources have to say about a given topic. We do have guidelines and policies that say this is so. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 14:49, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Steve, I hope you understand my strange sense of humor by now, but I read your comment in the tone and accent of Jack Karlson, who I hope you're familiar with at this point. Viriditas (talk) 00:34, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I watched South Park last night, loved it! For my cable, it was not censored. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:44, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Glad you enjoyed it. In other new, unrelated news, Vince Gilligan has announced an upcoming nine episodes of Pluribus beginning in November. Who said TV was dead? Viriditas (talk) 00:36, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

At the movies

@Steve Quinn and Tryptofish: Eddington is available to stream now. I've got it queued up to watch, but I've been busy watching other things. I just re-watched Casablanca twice because I love it so much! In any case, if I can find the screenshot of the Gen Z stare in the film I will upload it. Viriditas (talk) 23:48, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Sounds good. That screenshot will be much appreciated. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 02:28, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm glad you're feeling better. I knew about Eddington, and am waiting for it to be free (I'm cheap about these things). What a coincidence, I rewatched Casablanca a few nights ago, too. I very much like to watch old movies. Here's looking at you! --Tryptofish (talk) 19:14, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I was trying to put a list of my fave films together and I'm convinced that Casablanca is in the number one spot. It's just so well done in every aspect of the production. Now I'm trying to figure out what would be number two, and it's hard to come up with something. In terms of writing, The Man from Earth is definitely up there, but it's at best a B Movie, and that's fine. I would probably end up going with a screwball comedy of some kind. I've always loved His Girl Friday, but it's not really known for its production qualities, just its snappy repartee which is second to none. One film I have always enjoyed is My Man Godfrey so perhaps that might fill a top spot. One thing that I'm really curious about right now is finding the "best" Western film. I would love to hear some suggestions! Viriditas (talk) 20:48, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of ways one could go with that, and part of it is how much to value macho and Manifest Destiny, or not. John Ford or Sergio Leone. But I would go with High Noon, especially for the way it handles time. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:10, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the recommend! Viriditas (talk) 21:15, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

While I'm at it, I think the most under-appreciated film of the last few years is Daddio (film). In an odd way, the final scene reminds me of the final scene in Casablanca. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:21, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Never heard of it! I'll check it out. BTW, your calm and evenhanded approach are needed at Talk:Valparaiso University deaccessioning controversy. I'm about to blow my top. Viriditas (talk) 21:23, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I looked. A self-declared COI editor. Just WP:DENY about the financial thing, where you obviously have the source material on your side. About the personnel being "former", maybe that's valid, and it might be a good correction if there is sourcing. I'm not going to involve myself there, because I'm dealing with enough s—t as it is. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:31, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for looking! Viriditas (talk) 21:33, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(EC) Viriditas, you're probably not thinking in terms of "Django Unchained" right? (ha ha). You probably mean something like "Once Upon a Time in the West." Or of course, how about "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly? One of my favorite classics is The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951). For me, it is right up there with "Casablanca". It is amazing how some of these movies stand the test of time. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 21:27, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Day the Earth Stood Still is definitely up there, maybe on the top 10 or top 20, I don't know. I enjoyed Django Unchained but it left me physically sick and I can't imagine watching it again. And, I'm a huge Tarantino fan. It's a very difficult film to re-watch. Maybe Tryptofish can chime in and explain to me how some people can watch super-violent films over and over again. I can't seem to do it. I was able to re-watch the Kill Bill series because the violence is more theatrical and campy and less historical and reality-based. Viriditas (talk) 21:35, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why it bothers some people and not others – I haven't a clue. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:36, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Viriditas - Sorry to hear about your reaction to Django. Some people do have a reaction to realistically violent films. I think it is true the Django film holds no punches. I think it has to do with violence or the threat violence experienced in the past. I know of a couple of people who are very sensitive in this regard.

So, it is interesting that you are able make a distinction between KIll Bill and Django. I think the violence in Inglorious Bastards is as violent as Django in some scenes. I mean. Tarantino does get the point across when he wants to. Regarding Kill Bill, it is impressive that it is so good with that much violence. Tarantino is certainly the master in that he is able to make that work somehow. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 21:57, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It also doesn't hurt that Kill Bill has some of the finest scenes ever made in cinematic history. Three scenes come immediately to mind: The rooftop showdown at the House of Blue Leaves; training with Pai Mei, and the Hattori Hanzo sword forging scene. Anyone who watches those three scenes and doesn't feel anything needs to check their pulse! Notice how violence has only a small role to play in each scene. Viriditas (talk) 22:01, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure that I know, but something that occurs to me is prompted by the mention of Inglorious Basterds: the victims of the violence there are the Nazis, who have it coming, whereas in Django there is threatened violence (pretty cringeworthy) against Django himself, who doesn't deserve it. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:10, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also in ~~Inglorious Bastards~~ Django Unchained, the scene where they threaten to bash the girl (at the dinner table), is, for me, an on the edge-of-my-seat gruesome. I guess it was when DiCaprio shattered that skull on his table, and the audience knows that the girl is next if "the guests" don't cooperate. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 22:18, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Admittedly, the violence in Inglorious Basterds was tough for me to watch as well, but I was able to view the film twice with no problems. The thing about Django that bothered me the most is that I wanted to do something! I felt powerless to stop what was happening or to prevent it. I don't like that feeling. Viriditas (talk) 22:19, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, at least you know that. And if that is what Tarentino intended, then that feeling represents how the enslaved persons felt during that period in our history. Quite a genius effect! ---Steve Quinn (talk) 22:23, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Update: I made it through half of Eddington but had to take a break and do other things. I didn't see any specific scenes devoted to the Gen Z stare in the first half, although there was a brief scene that could be interpreted that way. I will come back to it if nothing turns up in the second half. I was unaware that Ari Aster was writer and director before diving in. His script is super ambitious and tries to fit in every social and cultural trope from the pandemic era, which IMO, is a tall order and not really conducive to the genre of a single film, but would work perfectly in terms of a limited miniseries. All I can say is that as an audience member, there's only one director I know of that can get away with stuffing six hours of material inside of a two and a half hour film, and that's the one and only David Fincher. Now, here's what I'm thinking: what if Ari Aster had only wrote the film and Fincher had directed? Anyway, I will finish it up tomorrow, but I'm feeling vicarious embarrassment for Aster at this point. This could have been one of the best films (or miniseries) of all time. But, it's not. I should point out, my perception is slightly colored by my visceral reaction to Aster's filmmaking. I am not a fan of emotional horror, so this kind of thing doesn't resonate with me at all. Viriditas (talk) 06:48, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, Ari Aster. Midsommar was very skillfully made, but I experienced it as almost nonstop cringe, similarly to how you described your reactions to some of Tarentino's films. And Beau is Afraid has moments, mostly at the beginning, that struck me as creatively absurdist, but overall it was way too overpacked and long. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:58, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Good review! I should note with a caveat that the work of M. Night Shyamalan is one of the few exceptions to emotional horror that works for me. Shyamalan is such a perfectionist on screen that even his worst films are great! Every frame, every scene in a Shyamalan film means something; nothing goes to waste. I got the sense that Aster doesn't adhere to this aesthetic, and for some reason it bothered me. Anyway, I'm going to finish Eddington now. Viriditas (talk) 21:42, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Update. I finished the second half of the film, which admittedly is 10x better than the first half. However, this is still, IMO, a terrible film. There is no semblance of a Gen Z stare anywhere, neither in the first or second half, so the writer who made that claim was making a reference that was a metaphor of some kind that I failed to understand. I am at a loss as to what Ari Aster was thinking when they made this film. One thing that stands out is how poorly composed each frame and each scene is, as if Aster doesn't care about composing shots. The lighting and sound are good, so that wasn't a problem. Also, the acting is great. The editing and direction are terrible. I would not recommend this film to anyone, and I can't understand who the audience is supposed to be for this production. It's as if Aster made the film only for himself. Viriditas (talk) 01:26, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

OMG. The Wikipedia entry for the film says he is making a sequel. It doesn't get more tone deaf than that. Viriditas (talk) 01:59, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mosaic effect

This new one may be somewhat up your alley, or alleys of some of your talk readers. I finally pushed the present version live from user draft after two months. I still have... lots of sources on talk to get through. -- Very Polite Person (talk) 22:49, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I love this kind of topic. It really is up my alley. I'm working on a topic adjacent to this which I hope to go live with in the next month. Viriditas (talk) 23:07, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Very Polite Person: you should find a FAC mentor and take this to FA. Obviously, you will need to do some work first, but it's an important topic, and your first draft looks great. Viriditas (talk) 23:16, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Very Polite Person: Something just occurred to me. Do you discuss the problematic aspects of mosaic theory and how it can lead to errors and wrong information? Viriditas (talk) 00:08, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not yet. I think there's some of it in the sources still on talk, and I have another tranche sitting in Word about mosaic impacts around non-US government (and a mix of other random links I'd squirreled away). There's still a few topics I need to build out too in there. You saw John Oliver last night, similar theme/domain? That's what motivated me to pull the trigger today. -- Very Polite Person (talk) 02:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

Dear stranger, Just seeking if you can help. I've created White Flight in Gary, which was immediately put up for speedy deletion. I was then told it wasn't verifiable enough, so I've gone all over the place trying to get additional verification for the apparent opinion pieces. It was then put up for deletion, but no consensus was reached, so it's going again. To that end - I just need to know if I am barking up the wrong tree so am seeking an objective opinion from an active editor. Personally, I think it's worthy of an independent article because of how they managed the scale of racial change in the city, the role of the first ever black mayor of a major city, and the racial tropes used to encourage flight - as well as the remarkable effort to change the way to allow the incorporation of another city to accommodate white flight. There are a plethora of academic articles, documentaries and other media on the specific subject of White flight and Gary, so I would have though notability is established ... but I've put a chunk of work into this, so I'm far from objective. So, you thoughts for (a.) if it should stay, and (b.) if so, how to make it better are welcome. I've saught engagement but it's been challenging. Berocca Addict (talk) 11:03, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like it should be worked out in draft space. Regardless of its merits, it’s not ready for prime time in main space just yet. Viriditas (talk) 11:16, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Much appreciated! Thanks! Berocca Addict (talk) 11:26, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for John Jonik

On 2 August 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article John Jonik, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a community mural inspired by John Jonik's pet duck was destroyed by a cleanup crew who mistook it for graffiti? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/John Jonik. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, John Jonik), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Amakuru (talk) 00:03, 2 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats on passing the Duck Test! --Tryptofish (talk) 17:51, 2 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. The article definitely got me interested in the history of Philadelphia's art scene, much of which has been lost or poorly funded. Imagine how much art we could fund with the US $200,000,000 earmarked for a White House ballroom. The Manchurian Cantaloupe and Apartheid Clyde wasted US $21,700,000,000 with the DOGE boondoggle, including US $50,000,000 spent on operations alone. We have all the money we need to fund the arts, education, healthcare, environmental regulation and enforcement, and every other piece of progressive legislation we've been told there's no money to fund. We are being robbed in broad daylight and told to keep quiet. "All units, all units, be advised — BOLO in progress for a crime in progress at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Suspect still on scene. Proceed to location." Viriditas (talk) 21:05, 2 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sacrebleu! Viriditas (talk) 21:23, 2 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

About that last part of what you said, I reverted that before seeing your post here. Now, if only the ballroom were fictional. I think a good name for it would be The Mush Room. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:04, 2 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Did you see the photo that was released yesterday of the completed White House Rose Garden project, where they paved over the garden under the direction of Carrot Caligula? There was a theory being discussed a few decades ago that argued that conservatives are motivated by a strong hatred for nature based on their misreading of Dominion theology into the Christian Bible, which replaces stewardship of nature with domination, a position that has led some religious leaders in the extractive industries to fuse free market fundamentalism with the intentional depletion of natural resources, believing that it is only by destroying nature, by cutting down every last tree, polluting every last drop of water, and destroying the biosphere, that they can bring the eschaton into existence and hasten the return of Jesus Christ. These people have the nuclear launch codes. I'm having difficulty seeing the difference between the U.S. and Iran at this point. Viriditas (talk) 22:12, 2 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My understanding is that the roses were not paved over, just the grass paths between the rose beds, and with the justification that women's high heels sink into the grass. Then again, nuclear subs have been deployed over a tweet. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:17, 2 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The lawn is gone, replaced with pavement, which encourages the urban heat island effect.[22] Viriditas (talk) 22:23, 2 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"In addition to rising temperatures from climate change, the District experiences the Urban Heat Island (UHI) effect. The UHI effect occurs in areas where sunlight is absorbed and retained by paved surfaces and roofs. In dense urban areas, this absorbed heat is combined with heat released by technologies such as air conditioners and automobiles to create an “island” that is significantly warmer than surrounding suburban or rural areas. The presence of trees and vegetation can help keep temperatures cool by deflecting radiation from the sun, providing shade, and releasing moisture into the atmosphere. Neighborhoods with fewer trees and greater concentrations of impervious surfaces (or water-resistant surfaces such as pavement, buildings, and roads) absorb and retain more heat..Heat is disproportionately experienced across the District. Some neighborhoods have fewer trees or more pavement than others, causing the UHI effect to leave some neighborhoods almost 17° F hotter than others...Trees are effective at lowering temperatures, and innovative designs—such as green roofs, energy efficient buildings, reflective surfaces, pervious pavements, and green infrastructure—can help keep our city cool..."[23] Viriditas (talk) 22:30, 2 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for A Balloon in Mid-Air

On 3 August 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article A Balloon in Mid-Air, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that A Balloon in Mid-Air (pictured) depicts a flight by artist Jules Tavernier with aeronaut Étienne Buislay, who died in a balloon accident a week later? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/A Balloon in Mid-Air. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, A Balloon in Mid-Air), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:02, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Good article reassessment for Ann Dunham

Ann Dunham has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 04:03, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Z1720: I believe you're going to want to contact User:Tvoz to address this. I was just helping out at the time. Viriditas (talk) 04:14, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

TBH I haven't looked at this article in more than 10 years - I'll see if I can make any sense of where it is now, but no promises.Tvoz/talk 03:03, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Tvoz: good to hear from you. I think the article currently passes or is close to passing the reassessment. You wouldn't have to do much, maybe just give it a look see. If you could randomly spot check at least one source that would also help. Viriditas (talk) 06:02, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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"Dyson shell" listed at Redirects for discussion

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August music

story · music · places

Thank you for you interest in DYK, but I think you confused the article about the composition with the one about the composer. - Today would be Harry Kupfer's 90th birthday. (Quite similar discussion, DYK?) -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:59, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

pics of the feast of the Mass in B minor --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:13, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Today's story mentions four singers which I all heard, soprano (whose birthday would have been today) and tenor were soloists with my choir in Hannover, and alto and tenor (married, singers of NDR Chor) were the soloists in the Verdi Requiem of my choir in Idstein, in 2010. Enjoy listening to soprano in a Telemann aria, and also pics of a hike on a hot day above Lorch, on In vino veritas trail, sounding similar to your user name ;) - Any thought about the discussion mentioned on my talk under "call for collaboration"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:46, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Best wishes for your health! Perhaps listen to Sheila Jordan, pictured twice on my talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:18, 17 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

... or to today's story - short version: ten years ago we had a DYK about a soprano who sang in concerts with me in the choir, - longer: I found today a youtube of an aria she sang with us then, recorded the same year, - if you still have time: our performances were the weekend before the Iraq war ultimatum, and we sang Dona nobis pacem (and the drummer drummed!) as if they could hear us in Washington. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:06, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Check out my talk for an Independence day, or: the pic of Oksana Lyniv was taken on 24 August. There's listening and reading in today's story, and I like both. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:25, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've always loved the name "Oksana". Viriditas (talk) 20:27, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

On top of my talk: birthday of a great violinist and Requiem for a great friend. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:14, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Gerda. I appreciate everything you do. I'm sorry you run into so much conflict on DYK. I've heard several different writers discuss this kind of problem in the past. There's really no resolution to it, because one type of person is going to perceive hooks and the DYK process a certain way, and another type is going to perceive it another way. Philosopher Allan Watts used to call this the "prickles and goo" problem. It is fundamentally an opposing yet complementary force of reality that can't be overcome, surpassed, beaten, extinguished, or even transcended. The trick is to adapt and remain flexible; the branch that bends in the wind survives the storm. Martial artist Bruce Lee famously wrote, "Be formless ... shapeless, like water." Viriditas (talk) 21:59, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(waking up) I am flexible, but not open to composer x wrote so many pieces, composer y wrote so many pieces, and - after six years on the topic - am disappointed that this kind of hook is still even suggested. (Dürer made so many paintings, da Vinci made so many paintings.) It's an insult towards x and y. Can you translate that please to the suggester who doesn't hear me? Or perhaps better: suggest something that hits the specific character and spirit of the subject, or even better the subject's contributions? (Starting for Chuliá?) - No, I didn't hear the below, but you made me curious. - Shchedrin is on the main page now (who also wrote many pieces ...), - he came to the RMF with his wife. I wish his bio had something after the 2010 opera (that I missed). - But today is the day of Monteverdi's Vespers. We sang it on 1 September, the day it was dedicated to the pope, - that was sheer coincidence because the many soloists could get together only that day, sort of inconvenient as so close after summer vacation. It was the greatest of all concerts I was in. Lieselotte Fink, 2nd soprano alongside her teacher Elisabeth Scholl, sang in the choir alto on Saturday. I met her as a baby on her mother's lap during choir rehearsals. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:52, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: Let me know when you get a chance to listen to Wind Takes Flight on the streaming music platform of your choosing. I would like to hear your opinion. Viriditas (talk) 02:35, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: I forgot to ask, did you ever get a chance to listen to Wind Takes Flight? I'm on my fourth listen now and it's really starting to grow on me. I hope more people get a chance to give it a try as it's quite good. BTW, I discovered something quite funny about the music industry while writing the article about the album. I should have been more aware of this, but apparently the marketing phenomenon of Twin films also applies to "Twin albums". It turns out that an unnamed, high profile singer, producer, and record label tried to steal the thunder from Julia Sinclair and Marijn Cinjee by quickly releasing a similar but more commercial arrangement, effectively preempting the release of Wind Takes Flight by many months. When I discovered this, I was disappointed that so-called professional musicians would do this to other musicians, but I suppose this kind of thing happens all the time in every industry, even the arts. Incredibly dog eat dog for them to do this. Notice, I haven't mentioned their names, but it really turned me off when I found out about it. And they had the nerve to defend their actions in the press saying they had planned the release for ten years. Yeah, right. It's one thing to compete with other musicians by releasing similar material, it's another to completely lie about it. Viriditas (talk) 22:18, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Viriditas, I saw that you had reviewed an edit request made by Edward at Tides on the Tides Foundation article. I've made an edit request for the History section of the article that may also be of interest to you. Cheers BINK Robin (talk) 15:57, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@BINK Robin: The change looks good. Let's give it a day or so to see if anyone objects or can poke holes in it before implementing it. It will also give me time to look closer as well. Viriditas (talk) 19:48, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good! If I haven't seen any movement, I'll check back in a couple of days. Thanks, BINK Robin (talk) 16:03, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@BINK Robin: I made the changes with a few additional ones. Let me know if I need to fix anything or if I missed something. Viriditas (talk) 21:03, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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My story today is about a composer and his ballerina wife, pictured as I saw them in 2009. - I can listen after rehearsal! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:11, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Looking forward to your album review. Viriditas (talk) 23:47, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Listening now (didn't manage while writing on a Bach piece last night). Spheric - weightless - sublime - peaceful - I don't understand the words but it doesn't matter. I love her voice. - Brings me back to DYK, because the nominator of my first DYK (who introduced me to it, - I don't think I even knew there was a main page) had suggested "otherworldly" and I didn't like an esoteric connection to a living composer, and I argued. That was for six hours, back in 2009, when they managed four sets a day, taking practically everything. My record from nominating to in a queue was 10 minutes, for my third DYK I believe, - they had to quickly fill an empty spot. - Today Canto General, and the final hook is the original a bit improved. How could we have avoided the in-between, which cost energy that could have gone into creation of 10 articles (rough estimate)? - People find different interesting. Shouldn't that lead to a broad range of offerings, not limitations? The less they know about a subject the more they can learn, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:26, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see the need to reinvent the wheel. I've covered this already here. Viriditas (talk) 21:04, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

too tired to read that in detail, - I may be too German, not wanting to grab attention no matter by what but inform about the subject as precisely as possible, which - in the Canto case - may grab attention, while one of the alternatives, about the use of the stadium of the premiere that was cancelled, would not only be completely tangential to the composition but also kind of let that regime win, - therefore no possibility for "compromise". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:32, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And that's perfectly fine! The German model has been incredibly influential, even before WWII. I was trying to argue this point on the DYK talk page, but nobody seemed interested. In other words, we should be able to take your approach and tweak it slightly to conform to Wikipedia. I think that's all you have to do, really. Just take that extra step. Viriditas (talk) 21:34, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"conform to Wikipedia"? - you mean to the 2025 Wikipedia which isn't the 2018 Wikipedia, let alone the 2009 Wikipedia described above? - It changed, and I haven't changed ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:54, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You're funny, for a German! I mean conform to the house style (which changes all the time across every aspect of Wikipedia) of DYK. I think you know this. In other words, keep being you, write the hooks the way you want, BUT change them in the final editing phase to conform to DYK best practices. You've had many people who you trust and respect tell you this, so you can't pretend it's not something you haven't heard before. To be even more straightforward, look at the differences between the German and American media models on the page I linked to up above. "Conforming" to DYK house style means, essentially, fusing these two disparate approaches together. Prickles (German precision) AND goo (American sensationalism): "There are basically two kinds of philosophy. One's called prickles, the other's called goo. And prickly people are precise, rigorous, logical. They like everything chopped up and clear. Goo people like it vague. For example, in physics, prickly people believe that the ultimate constituents of matter are particles. Goo people believe it's waves. And in philosophy, prickly people are logical positivists, and goo people are idealists. And they're always arguing with each other, but what they don't realize is neither one can take his position without the other person. Because you wouldn't know you advocated prickles unless there was someone advocating goo. You wouldn't know what a prickle was unless you knew what a goo was. Because life isn't either prickles or goo, it's either gooey prickles or prickly goo." —Alan Watts. Viriditas (talk) 22:04, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! - Let's practise next nom. Bedtime. Read the Canto discussion again perhaps. If there was an invitation to adapt and polish the first hook, I missed it. I understood that collaboration among two giants in their fields was regarded no interesting news on Wikipedia. Days later we learned that those who said so didn't know they where two giants. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:09, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's somewhat of a separate problem, and it's quite common. It often comes down to age differences and disciplines. People from one set aren't aware of the other set. The answer is to write a hook that gently introduces the information that anyone can understand without having the background knowledge. Viriditas (talk) 22:12, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And Gerda, I'm always willing to "practice" with you, but I'm not going to engage in a days to months long discussion. You've been told by many other people that your DYKs become a time-sink because you aren't taking critical commentary about your hooks on board or under consideration. Nobody should have to commit more than a few minutes to an hour to this. Please be considerate of other people's time constraints. Viriditas (talk) 22:24, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Today another giant's music: Canto General. Listen if you like it really big and emotional, with the composer as the conductor, in Chile, after years of suppression. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:33, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A soprano pictured on DYK, a soprano and a composer and a bassoonist on RD, and a composer with the pic of the day: a good day for classical music! - Lourdes Ambriz is nominated, - what do you think? - perhaps one comment and then unwatch ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:47, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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