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Quick question, AOR?

Hey @Binksternet, hope you're doing well today!

I’d like to ask whether AOR would be an acceptable genre classification for Pop Kreatif. Some sources mention AOR in relation to it, but the extent of its meaning varies.

• Music archivist Munir, in an NME interview, refers to AOR in the album-oriented rock sense.
• Another source used multiple times for the article I wrote, Radar Tasik uses under the adult-oriented rock sense and MLD, uses AOR but doesn’t clarify whether it means album-oriented rock or adult-oriented rock.
• Munir’s publication under CultureofSoul and a Whiteboard Journal article mention connections between Pop Kreatif, AOR, and Yacht Rock, but they don’t explicitly clarify AOR’s meaning.
• Stamp the Wax also referenced AOR in its historical context, but the original article is now down since 1 Jan 2025. The archived version is here. Or banbantonton under historical background (though sadly its wordpress.)
• To Discogs, it acknowledges AOR as an ambiguous abbreviation.
• The Japanese City Pop article also references its connection AOR, though to an unclear extent. And by the citation used for said article ([1], [2], [3]) itself had less developed historical context to AOR than the articles given above (ignoring Discogs.)

Given these sources, would AOR pass as a classification for Pop Kreatif? Or would the ambiguity still be an issue? Given the possibility that this was during the time in the 70's where the definition of AOR was still vague-ish. (or I could be wrong however, you're very much more qualified than me afterall). Kaliper1 (talk) 18:23, 2 March 2025 (UTC) Edit to this comment: bold to italics.[reply]

Given the confusion connected to the AOR designation, I would not put the label into an infobox without clearly saying which one it was. In the Munir interview, it's the author Daniel Peters who mixes up the AOR designation. Munir doesn't talk about rock at all, or AOR. Peters's mention of classic rock AOR is not compelling to me, because pop kreatif is not about listening to a sequence of rock songs contained in an album side. Basically, Peters made a mistake, or an unnamed editor.

I think it's better to say that pop kreatif has roots in soft rock, which everyone understands. The "adult-oriented rock" term can be introduced and explained in the article body. Pop kreatif is not album-oriented.

That discogs.com page has no listed author, and cannot be considered a reliable source on Wikipedia per WP:USERG. It's not wrong, though. It has no bearing on pop kreatif. Binksternet (talk) 20:39, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Right noted, Thanks for the input! Kaliper1 (talk) 20:51, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

500k edits

Congratulations on 500,000 edits, Binksternet! You've done a lot to keep those vandals, block evaders and genre warriors out, as well as fantastic work to various many articles including expanding them and cleaning them up. :) — AP 499D25 (talk) 10:54, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! How kind. ;^)

Binksternet (talk) 13:14, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How do you know about pages being vandalized, users committing block evasion and other offenses, and other edits on different pages? It seems like you made so many edits because of this. Hikingboii (talk) 00:39, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see activity patterns and I make notes. I frequently check IPs for geolocation, to get a sense of who is contributing. If I'm suspicious, I look for previous activity of the same type at the article, and I look for other activity by the current IP and also nearby IPs. Binksternet (talk) 00:58, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Source question

Hi @Binksternet, I hope you're doing well. I just saw that you replied on Wikipedia:Help Desk, and I appreciate your reply.

By the way, could I ask how do you find sources from the songs? I'm trying to find sources that these songs are singles, but it's so difficult to me;

1. Indila's song "Run Run" from the album Mini World

2. Aurora's song "Daydreamer" from the album A Different Kind of Human (Step 2) - I found this link from Apple Music, but it's all the source I can find.

3. Sia's song "Sunday" from the album Colour the Small One - I deleted it from single template for now

4. Birdy's song "Here You Calling" from the album Beautiful Lies - I deleted it from single template for now

In addition, I'm also in trouble to find Radio airplay link, to prove if this song is single or not, or the songs' charts performance link, or infobox song credits.

I really hope I can get your help and some tips to find reliable sources from internet, thank you. :) Camilasdandelions (talk!) 00:05, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not very good at finding out whether a song was a single unless there are sources specifically reviewing the song and calling it a single. It looks like you are jumping ahead, trying to find sources before they exist. Binksternet (talk) 00:37, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hackman

Please stop edit warring, I will take action to prevent it if necessary. Thank you. 331dot (talk) 16:55, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the note. I said my piece there, and I'm laying off. Binksternet (talk) 17:02, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Instagram post by Playboi Carti

Hello, this is unrelated to anything but when u removed my edits to the “I am music” article, carti posted what I put on instagram Edzmplays (talk) 20:52, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edzmplays, you are talking about the page I Am Music (Playboi Carti album) where I removed your addition of Playboi Carti's incoherent post on social media. I removed it because it was not clear about when the album was coming. You said it would be March, but Playboi Carti just said, "MY ALBUM DONE". That doesn't mean it's coming in March. I told you in my edit summary that we should be using an independent source—a WP:SECONDARY source—which is exactly what RXLFZ did two hours later. The problem is fixed. Binksternet (talk) 01:49, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why did you remove my edit?

See subject. It is a fact that Falling to Pieces was featured in the film Black Hawk Down... 210.108.212.103 (talk) 04:48, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's trivia. See WP:INDISCRIMINATE.

If the media called it out as extraordinary, you could mention it and cite the journalist. Otherwise, it's not important enough to include. Binksternet (talk) 12:57, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Indiscreet "studio" album

While the inclusion of "studio" isn't technically necessary for every studio album on Wikipedia, it is almost always. The vast majority of musical artists or bands of a certain period in their career have, Sparks included, made at least one compilation, live, or soundtrack album.

Although a seemingly minor detail, it is not redundant but in fact a helpful bit of context for readers that may or may not read past the first few sentences. Also, even though they had not made any other type of album up to that point, the average reader will likely not know that.

I know, it's minor, but I only bring this up because another user and you reverted an edit back-and-forth several times, so I wanted to be clear that there is a reasoning behind it other than just saying "other pages do it". The reverting battle, without having a discussion, is wholly unneccessary and clogs up edit histories. Davejfudge (talk) 12:30, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The word "album" without any modifier is understood to be the type you call a studio album. The word "studio" isn't necessary when it's the first album of any kind for the artist. It isn't necessary when other types of albums have not been issued for the artist up to that time—when every album so far has been a studio album. It isn't necessary when context is already understood from surrounding text.

If an artist first issues mixtapes or EPs and then puts out a normal album, we can use the word "studio" or call it "full-length" following EPs.

I often remove wikilinks to "studio album" because it's usually considered overlinking, and because the actual article about the topic is found at album. There is no article on Wikipedia about the concept of studio album as a separate entity. Binksternet (talk) 13:13, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with the sentiment that "album" on its own automatically implies "studio album". Please read: Album#Types_of_album Davejfudge (talk) 13:21, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That page says "most albums" are studio albums, which is my point. When people say "album", they almost always mean the type you call a studio album. If they are talking about a different type, they specify that type. Binksternet (talk) 13:24, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, "most" albums are. Which means some aren't. That is my point. Wikipedia is supposed to attempt to be encyclopedic and comprehensive; it's not meant to cater to anyone's assumptions. Davejfudge (talk) 13:30, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I like concise prose. I remove unneeded words from the encyclopedia. I will continue to remove the word "studio" if it is not needed in context. Binksternet (talk) 13:32, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What's the point? Just about every thorough album page on this website uses "studio", so clearly I'm not in a minority here. What you "like" is clearly a point of contention in a website that's supposed to build on concensus. The perfect example is Please Please Me. You know, the debut studio album by the most famous band in history.

Minor edits that fail to improve articles but rather end up being nitpicking is not helpful. Davejfudge (talk) 13:40, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

One editor's "consistency" is often another editor's "nitpicking", and vice versa. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:44, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to bring up consistency, we should be talking about how consistent it is for good+ articles to include "studio" in it. Davejfudge (talk) 13:47, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

FA-class articles would be where you want to look. GA-class pages may have been copyedited by only two people. FA-class has been through a much more demanding group of people. The Seduction of Ingmar Bergman is FA-class. Binksternet (talk) 17:42, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I almost brought up "nitpicking", but I thought better of it.... Martinevans123 (talk) 15:49, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

? Davejfudge (talk) 15:51, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest that if and when edits "end up being nitpicking" is a wholly subjective judgement. Apologies for the sarcasm. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:55, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The first non-studio album by Sparks was very late in their chronology. That's why The Seduction of Ingmar Bergman can be called their 22nd album without having to say it was a studio album. The 21 previous albums had been the same type. Binksternet (talk) 13:18, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I addressed this above already. Davejfudge (talk) 13:21, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've thought about it for a bit. First off, to be clear, if I came off as rude, I want to it be known that I have the best of intentions, and I legitimately wanted to have a discussion, because I think the question at hand present a more broad philosophical question.

My issue really isn't so much about consistency or nitpicking, but it's about placing trust in every single reader that shows up. The omission of the context "studio" assumes that absolutely everyone makes the same implication that you do. Why should be remove tiny bits of context, although redundant to many people, that some people, however small a group, may need? We haven't even discussed people that do not speak English, whose only reference for a piece of information misses a piece of context upon translation. For a website that strives to be encyclopaedic, who are we to ignore that one single person?

I hope it comes across what I'm trying to say here. Davejfudge (talk) 15:30, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

But where does that stance end? Should we always say "electric bass" or "bass guitar" rather than simply "bass" when the context is, say, heavy metal music which does not generally have upright bass or keyboard bass? Should we always say "Atlanta, Georgia", rather than Atlanta by itself, so folks don't mistake it for Atlanta, Wisconsin, or Atlanta, Mississippi or whatever?

Wikipedia should follow the usual writing style in English. That style is seen in the literature as leaving out the "studio" more often than not when an album recorded in a studio is being discussed. Adding "studio" every time is not needed. Binksternet (talk) 17:42, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

1st paragraph: Yes, to both questions. If anything, it benefits to add them, unless maybe if it's wikilinked.

2nd paragraph: Fair enough, I suppose. I'm just not one for ambiguities that require out-of-page context to immediately get all the information. Davejfudge (talk) 17:52, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I heartily disagree with your stance in favor of disambiguating everything. People don't write like that; they rely on context quite a bit. I don't have anything more to add. Binksternet (talk) 17:59, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) I can say personally, that I always assume "album" to mean "studio album" unless I see a modifier like "live", "compilation", "bootleg", "video", etc. But most discographies do use the sub-headings "Studio albums" and "Live albums", etc. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:39, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, personally you're free to agree, but letting those feeling interfere is an example of bias. What's the point in reversing an edit three times for personal reasons? Davejfudge (talk) 13:46, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is less of a "feeling" and more of my "understanding" of what I have read for the past 18 years at Wikipedia (and elsewhere, as it happens). If there is already some clear policy at Wikipedia that invalidates this understanding, I'd be very grateful for you to direct me to it. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:53, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is the reason I'm here at all. I felt bad for an editor that this was done to, and I was worried it would be done to me too, so I came here to explain my reasoning.

It has still not been addressed. Davejfudge (talk) 16:44, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I see. Sorry, I thought it was all about a Sparks album (or a Sparks studio album). Martinevans123 (talk) 16:56, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why the sarcasm? I'm being serious, I wanted a discussion. Davejfudge (talk) 17:02, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I was being serious: that's how you started this thread. I'll just leave you to continue the discussion. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:12, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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IP user reverting my restoration of deleted sentence

On the Flashdance (soundtrack) page an IP user removed a sentence without providing a summary. I reverted it since it seemed like a perfectly acceptable piece of information, but they reverted me. Can they be blocked? Danaphile (talk) 21:34, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The removals are annoying, but they haven't risen to the point of blocking the IP address, nor even semi-protecting the page. The first thing to do is start a talk page discussion about how the sentence should stay in, and see if they comment. I'll keep an eye on the page as well. Binksternet (talk) 23:30, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Am I That Easy to Forget (song)

From different IP addresses, what seems to be the same person keeps vandalizing the page to say that it was written by Country Johnny Mathis, something corroborated by very few sources and zero reliable ones. I'm doing my part to keep undoing the edits but it's just creating an edit war which isn't fun. Do you have any idea how to stop this person? Elephant445956 (talk) 06:14, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

SPI: Giubbotto non ortodosso

Hi, Would you mind adding the following Italian IP Special:Contributions/5.90.62.23 to the SPI you started on Giubbotto? The individual is pushing the same edits to the personal life section of the Chris Brown article that most of Giubbotto other socks also request or make themselves when they gain extended confirmed access. Thanks. Isjadd773 (talk) 15:47, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

IP

Is it possible that the IP 24.249.20.223 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), who you reported today, is the Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Eagles hard rock vandal, given the similar geolocation of Rhode Island? Or is this a different user? wizzito | say hello! 22:41, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see a few different hands using that IP over time. Our friend the hard rock vandal may have used the recently blocked IP back in late 2021, making simplistic genre changes. The more recent style is a person who has better control of the language. Binksternet (talk) 22:57, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Warning: Your Point Of View Pushing At Closing Time (Semisonic song)

Hi Binksternet I know it’s painful for some of us to acknowledge, but people who are in the United States unlawfully are illegal immigrants. Insisting to no end that they are undocumented is misinformation. This especially when they have more documents tied to their name than citizens in many cases due to documents in their country and numerous arrest and court paper documents in the country of their illegal occupation. Plus the link used in the article for supposedly undocumented immigrants redirect to a Wikipedia page for illegal immigration. So it’s misinformation when you insist as you did on calling them undocumented rather than the correct term of of illegal immigrants. Please avoid POV pushing on Wikipedia. If you have a political belief about immigration policy, Wikipedia is not the place to settle it. Continued violations of Wikipedia policies may result in loss of your editing privileges. Thank you. 66.50.167.228 (talk) 01:14, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I was just following music industry sources such as Rolling Stone ("...the White House shared 17 seconds of propaganda in which Border Patrol agents appear to arrest an undocumented immigrant") and Billboard ("... a recent White House video glorifying the deportation of undocumented immigrants").

"Painful" is the lack of awareness in folks that immigrants are vital for the US labor market. The US has a 500,000-person shortage of labor, and we should be working closely with Mexico to hammer out a realistic system of immigration which helps everybody involved. Your whole life in the US has benefited from cheap food and cheap housekeeping from immigrant labor of all statuses including undocumented, "illegal", and green card holders. The immigrants are not the problem; they are the solution. Binksternet (talk) 04:43, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Binksternet excuse my diplomatic travel. Isn’t what you say here a classic acknowledgement of violations concerning wp:npov and wp:notaforum?

If you think you know where I’ve traveled and/or what county I’ve spent my whole life in, if you think that slavery/cheap labor is good for the country’s economy, if you think I have lack of awareness, if you think we should be negotiating with Mexico, if you think I’m benefiting from cheap/slave labor — what do these things have to do with Wikipedia editing? These are things maybe you talk to your senator over, run for office over, or torch a Tesla over, right? Seems like some problematic editing, Binksternet. 108.31.88.248 (talk) 01:55, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I should add, Binksternet that Rolling Stone is a deprecated source. The defense was that the revert was just adding the same incorrect terminology (such as undocumented immigrant) that the article mentioned. However the article shouldn’t even be cited. I’m afraid there’s an agenda here in this edit revert and not a neutral point of view. 2600:4040:2355:B900:A598:13CD:DAC3:F478 (talk) 02:19, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think dehumanizing terms are good for the encyclopedia everyone can edit.

Rolling Stone is fine for music and culture issues such as this one. Billboard is the music industry standard—which you did not acknowledge.

Low-paid work is not slave labor. If the work is so menial that only immigrants will do it, then immigrants should be offered the job. I don't understand why you think having a sensible guest-worker/immigration arrangement with Mexico would be a problem for the US economy. Economists say we should be welcoming them.[4][5][6] Binksternet (talk) 02:49, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Again, Binksternet, your continued comments here are very much indicative that you are POV pushing and using this as a forum. The article cited is very clearly something having to do with politics and culture, which this source is deprecated for. 2600:4040:2355:B900:A598:13CD:DAC3:F478 (talk) 11:38, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Here you have used two IPs from the Washington DC area, and one proxy from Puerto Rico, which raises questions about your editing history, and whether you are evading a block. Clearly you are angry with the world these days, which is a valid stance, but you are turning against constructive efforts to improve people's lives, and resorting to vandalism nonsense like this. If you think I should lose my editing privileges, you are free to start a discussion about it with the admins, but with your Tesla vandalism on display, you will likely experience a boomerang effect. I will continue to do what I do to improve the world. Billboard will continue to be a responsible voice in the music industry. Binksternet (talk) 16:41, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please look in at...

the Negative Feedback article. It had recent blocks of text added to lead only, from a couple of former editors (one blocked), and because the added large blocks were text without source, it violated both WP:VERIFY and WP:INTRO. We removed these unsourced blocks of text. An apparent Hindi editor came on and reverted our good faith, policy-supportive edits.

I subsequently—as here, with clear explanation—reverted their reversion, so that the WP:VER noncompliant material is back out again. But I will not continue, so as to respect 3RR.

But the unsourced, blocked editor-derived content should not be allowed back in. (Ignore the other edits intervening regaring the "Short description", they are immaterial.)

In short, please keep the new status quo, before the reversion returning the unsourced material. We could not have proceeded to make the lead of that article compliant, more respectfully of WP and its policies, than we did. 98.226.86.66 (talk) 23:54, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that page is a patchwork because it gets adjusted by drive-by editors who probably understand one aspect but don't have a bird's-eye view of the breadth of the topic. Thanks for bringing up the problem. Binksternet (talk) 00:17, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for stopping by. I am sorry if my further edits interrupted yours. And thanks for—hopefully—putting an end to the return of bad content issue. Bless you. ;) 98.226.86.66 (talk) 00:27, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Davejfudge (talk) 01:26, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do you recognize this user's mo from past work you've done in this content area? Their first two minutes were improbably efficient (pristine sandbox creation, page creation, project banners, AfC submission. BusterD (talk) 01:55, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Confused what the question is. Are you asking if I'm a former user already acquainted the system or a bot? This is my first account on wikipedia and I found the system pretty intuitive. Wasn't rocket science or anything. I created the draft in the sandbox when I began editing on Wikipedia. I don't think I saved anything until I was "finished", because I was slightly confused between the difference between saving and publishing the draft (or whatever it said) and was hesitant to click anything until it was ready for submission, so everything that immediately followed was, well, immediate. Davejfudge (talk) 02:15, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

With due respect, Davejfudge has accused a longtime trusted user of edit warring, then started an ANI procedure against them for disagreeing. Davejfudge has put their own behaviors under scrutiny, by filing at ANI. I'm asking the right question of the right user. I'm not asking Davejfudge anything right now. BusterD (talk) 02:26, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I genuinely didn't know what or to whom you were asking. Davejfudge (talk) 02:29, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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BusterD, I can see how you might question whether Davejfudge is an experienced editor returning, perhaps evading a block, as they have been quite busy in the three weeks they have been active. If one were to investigate in that direction, one would want to see whether there is a history of edit-warring and blocks at articles having to do with the musical group Sparks, which appears to be the main focus of Davejfudge. To start that process, I would take the time machine back ten years to UK editor User:Mrwallace05 who was active in various music topics (but not Sparks), and who evaded their block with IPs and socks, many of which were editing Sparks topics. See the archived sockpuppet investigation page, prior to being merged with another puppetmaster; a merge which I think created confusion. The involved UK IPs 213.205.192.222 and 86.158.105.232 were doing Sparks stuff in 2016 and 2017.[7][8] Various socks were created and blocked, for instance Shikari 123 in 2014,[9] Johnnydelusional16 in 2016[10] and Scandiblues2 in 2019.[11] Hombres12 was active in 2021–2022 on the same sorts of pages including Sparks.[12][13] In 2022, I was suspicious of Rhythmspirit,[14] but no blocks resulted despite many warnings. All of these IPs and registered users were focused strongly on the genre parameter in the infobox, edit-warring extensively on that issue alone. Our friend Davejfudge is not doing that. Binksternet (talk) 04:47, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

John Lithgow

Just a heads up, that IP editor is really not interested, they've been incessantly reverting their edits back between three different editors now. Rusted AutoParts 03:42, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I requested page protection. Binksternet (talk) 03:43, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Funkytown Cartel video news source

Hello, I’m looking for the official sources regarding the Funkytown Cartel video and I was wondering do you have any links from legitimate sources. Let me know. Thanks. FireDragonValo (talk) 16:55, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No idea what this is about. Binksternet (talk) 23:28, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Youngstown music vandal

I don't think 2603:6010:8600:26B:0:0:0:0/64 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial)) is the Youngstown music vandal at all. That vandal's tells are a.) editing through mobile web and b.) using incredibly generic edit summaries, neither of which that /64 is doing. The range geolocates to Mount Vernon, Ohio, which is a Columbus suburb that is nowhere near Youngstown. I also don't think that the Youngstown music vandal is interested in PBS shows either. wizzito | say hello! 20:08, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You're generally not that bad when identifying LTAs, but in some cases like this you tend to be way off the mark. No hate intended. wizzito | say hello! 20:11, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I was a bit bewildered by that aspect. There could be two different disruptive persons in the same area. The one I was intending to indicate was a person I encountered first four years ago at "The Thunder Rolls" where they kept removing anything remotely feminist about the song. The person was using IPs from Mount Vernon, Ohio.[15][16][17] They were definitely into editing TV show pages. Binksternet (talk) 20:16, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm guessing that vandal you mentioned is most likely the same person, but they are not remotely in the same area as the Youngstown one. Columbus and Youngstown are entirely separate metro areas. wizzito | say hello! 20:40, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The so-called Youngstown vandal also edits from western Pennsylvania. They get around. Which is why I lumped our Mt Vernon friend into the same bucket. Binksternet (talk) 20:58, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I removed a Mt Vernon IP range from the page Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Youngstown music vandal. Thanks for alerting me to the different styles. Binksternet (talk) 19:48, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Unfinished comment?

In this edit you've left a comment mid-way through the discussion, that's fine. You've also though added Responding to the as a new paragraph at the end. I'm guessing either you changed your mind about writing there or you forgot to complete a comment? Thryduulf (talk) 01:49, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the note! Cleaned up my mess. Binksternet (talk) 01:50, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

AN/I

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Departure– (talk) 17:15, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Daydreamer

[18] Hello Binksternet, I opened this discussion because you removed "Daydreamer" in Aurora discography.

But I got a question. "Daydreamer" is actually a single, due to this Apple Music link. [19] If you don't regard this song as a single, then why you didn't delete "Apple Tree" too [20]? Camilasdandelions (talk!) 15:18, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your Apple Music link shows that a remix of "Daydream" was released as a single, with the non-remix album version offered as the B-side. Binksternet (talk) 15:27, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Then I want to ask, why did you delete it, rather than changing "Daydreamer" to "Daydreamer (KDA London Dumb)"? Camilasdandelions (talk!) 15:39, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Because I had not seen the Apple Music page. Binksternet (talk) 15:47, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you don't mind, can you put it back then? I'm so unfamiliar at wiki table grammars, so I'm afraid of adding back. Camilasdandelions (talk!) 01:10, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Clearing things up

Thanks for clearing some of these things up there has been numerous reports about occupation and genre warring going on between pages and the title pages such as calling the person a singer instead of a rapper when rapper is in the title page 2600:4040:7A2D:D500:658B:F43F:A351:3353 (talk) 16:13, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Binksternet is an awesome editor!

		The Editor's Barnstar
		When viewing edit histories of various Wikipedia pages, I have always noticed that Wikipedia user Binksternet takes his edits to the extra mile! He goes out of his way to improve Wikipedia articles and remove unsourced information or poorly written sections. I personally believe that he deserves adminship on Wikipedia. Thank you Binksternet for all of your hard work! Your the perfect example on how every Wikipedia editor should be! JustTryingToBeSmart (talk) 01:52, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey...

Hey! I see on Jordan Hanson you edited to change to a city! Not to be rude, or to say you did it on purpose, but next time can you please check the history of the edit? It was a person, not a city! Thanks... Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 02:26, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I intended the city target because its mayor bears the page name.[21] Binksternet (talk) 03:12, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Taylor_Hanson Please check it out. It says the mayor on the top... Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 03:34, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing for "notable users"

I wonder if you could have a look at User_talk:XlosVSM#April_2025. IMO, "Notable user" of an instrument should establish that an artist used an instrument so notably that secondary sources picked up on it. I mean, hundreds if not thousands of hit records in the 80s had Oberheims on it... Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:22, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I'll keep an eye on the situation. Binksternet (talk) 15:11, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I appreciate it. Hope you're well. Drmies (talk) 17:17, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Doing great, thanks for asking. Right now I'm gigging in Boston, about to tear down the show and pack it up. Binksternet (talk) 17:36, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Bugle: Issue 228, April 2025

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Page protection for Serbian and other musicians

I think that page protection should be a good idea also you've been editing here for a long time 2600:4040:7A2D:D500:F512:B5C0:76C5:4F36 (talk) 15:43, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. A couple of hours ago I asked for protection on two pages. Let's see how that goes. Binksternet (talk) 16:04, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of List of SACD artists

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86.124.200.180

Hi Binksternet, can you take a look at this IP's edits? I have a feeling they might be a sock. They at least appear making disruptive edits (changing/adding genres, dates, etc.) but you are more familiar. S0091 (talk) 21:54, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The IP is from Romania. The location doesn't ring any bells for me regarding which blocked vandal might be socking. I'll keep an eye out. Binksternet (talk) 23:38, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! S0091 (talk) 18:54, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

S0091, I think we're looking at block evasion by User:Vladutpunkist1996. Last year they were using the Romanian IP range Special:Contributions/2A02:2F0E:C018:1000:0:0:0:0/64. They keep changing to wrong birthdates and genres, sometimes saying "I wish" that the false information was true.[22][23] Binksternet (talk) 00:41, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see Drmies nabbed them. I'll try to put this in my memory bank in case I run across them again. S0091 (talk) 16:52, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Good article reassessment for Klamath River

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Capitalizing "The" Bronx midsentence

Hi, Binksternet. Are we sure that "The Bronx" is capitalized mid-sentence? Per MOS:THECAPS, "the Bahamas" is correct but "The Hague" isn't, due to The Hague being routinely spelled with a capital "T" by reliable sources. A quick review of several recent articles in The New York Times sees lower case "T"s mid-sentence, as does The Bronx article on Wikipedia.

I was certain there was a MOS page where this specific case was settled, but I can't seem to find it. Rift (talk) 22:48, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I was assuming The Bronx, The Hague and The Gambia were treated the same. I usually lean on the Chicago Manual of Style, which says keep The Bronx capitalized. However, Wikipedia is international and CMoS is not always the preferred style guide. If you have better information about a consensus I would appreciate the update. There's a page with old discussions at Talk:The_Bronx/Name_and_capitalization, at which the capitalization issue was left undecided. Binksternet (talk) 00:50, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the input, Binksternet. I've sought opinions on the MOS talk page. Rift (talk) 19:10, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That LTA

I thought there was something fishy about the IP but wasn’t sure. Thanks Doug Weller talk 20:48, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You bet! Binksternet (talk) 21:24, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Probable sock of Giubbotto non ortodosso

Hi, would you mind looking into if new user J-Majestik is a sock of Giubbotto non ortodosso. I think it's probable given their contributions history.

The user focuses on R&B topics with lots of edits to Chris Brown articles. Edits include creating new articles concerning Chris Brown. Similar to some of Giubbotto non ortodosso previous socks It's treeggax and NoOneElseLovEe, J-Majestik also takes an interest in Karrueche Tran, who is an individual with limited notability. With this edit they created a new article for a song focusing on her. Additionally the Giubbotto non ortodosso sock It's treeggax previously created an ANI notice where they stated they would be focusing future edits on "legal issues concerning controversial figures such as Sean Combs, R. Kelly, and Chris Brown". J-Majestik, an account created after It's treeggax was blocked, has also made several edits concerning legal Issues of Sean Combs and Chris Brown.

Thanks in advance for your help. Isjadd773 (talk) 14:48, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I'll look at this issue. Binksternet (talk) 15:16, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Anne Renée

Hi Binksternet. It looks like you reverted back too far at Anne Renée[24], unless I'm missing something? - Hipal (talk) 22:43, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I got confused. Sorry! Binksternet (talk) 04:05, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Substack

Hi Binksternet, nice to meet you! I saw that you are a part of WikiProject San Francisco. I've been working on updating the article about San Francisco-based company Substack, and I was hoping you would take a look at the edit request I posted here. If you agree that the changes improve the article, would you mind implementing them?

Thank you, LS4Substack (talk) 01:13, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's not my area of interest. Binksternet (talk) 22:23, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The World Destubathon

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You keep removing my edits

Are you kidding me even when I add problems with grammar you keep stating it is unsourced content how 2603:6081:2A00:30F6:2001:8137:726E:5216 (talk) 00:22, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The pinky and perky show

Telegael did not produce the series according to the credits watch the shows credits on YouTube you'll find out 2603:6081:2A00:30F6:2001:8137:726E:5216 (talk) 00:39, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposed deletion of North American Labour Party

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Help with sourcing

Hello! Recently you removed one of my edits on Benson Boone due to a lack of mentioning a source. I got the information directly from Ryan Hyde, who was the choir teacher at Monroe High School while Benson Boone was there and correspondingly was Benson's choir teacher (which I can provide proof of if that helps). I'm not sure how to add this as a source. Can you please help? TheTrumpetOrchestra (talk) 19:35, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia facts should come from published sources, not from individuals bringing their own observations. See WP:No original research. If you have published sources then you can cite them. Binksternet (talk) 19:38, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oasis Live '25 Tour rollback

Hi Binks. I think I am right in assuming your recent rollback of this article was to undo all the edits made by the block evading user. But on reviewing the history, I think you missed some earlier editing. So I have taken it further back, but not to before their first edit, since their initial ones (about the set list) were subsequently overwritten by other editors.

I am pretty confident I haven't erased any substantial good edits by other editors, only minor copyeditz. Maybe you can give it a quick look to check I haven't missed anything? If I have time, I'll see if I can redo those too, although it seems most were to format the content added by the blocked user.

Full disclosure, I have a COI wrt to Oasis (but I'm not a PAID editor), so I will be confining my activities to merely administrative or otherwise minor edits to maintain the integrity of Wikipedia (ethically and qualitatively). Rather than anything that coukd be seen as a significant change to the content. Oasisfan149 (talk) 07:20, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Good call. I can see that your reversion was more apt, taking out a batch of earlier disruption including misquoting NME saying "first two shows" when in fact they said "first show" when supplying the set list. Binksternet (talk) 13:51, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Actually that was Revision as of 08:19, 6 July 2025 edit undo 2a0a:ef40:7b7:501:90f8:24a6:36a7:b7ff (talk) Oasisfan149 (talk) 16:43, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why did you outdate every page on Wikipedia?

it is not 2016 nor 2017 anymore for you to do this, for example, my modification edits.
and i'm not a sockpuppet anymore, you liar. 2804:1A68:116:B64F:55B1:CD8E:9BA1:ACF5 (talk) 15:43, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Read WP:STYLEVAR which says you should not go around changing from one acceptable style to another. The comma is fine as a separation between two or three elements. Binksternet (talk) 15:51, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Possible block evasion

It looks like MariaJaydHicky is block evading by asking another editor to change the genre in 808s & Heartbreak [25]. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 04:00, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, exactly. She's been accessing Turkish IPs through some VPN app. Directy after achieving a modicum of success with that request, she created another sock to ask for more.[26] Binksternet (talk) 04:37, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Still block evading [27]. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 03:28, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I understand you might be able to help me Mr Music Conoisur?

I am looking for references for article Reggie Sears for music genres. If I find some sources would you be able to help with assessing their reliability? As they are a lesser known artist then I am not sure which sources are reliable. Thanks in advance, Knitsey (talk) 18:01, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The first thing is that all those genres must be moved down to the article body if they have any supporting cites. The infobox is only for the main facts, not minor stuff. He's mainly a singer and guitarist. His genre is mainly blues. One source says he does pop rock,[28] but all the other ones say blues.

Note that the instructions for Template:Infobox musical artist say that we should list only two to four genres up top, and these should aim for generality. All the minor stuff can be described in a section that talks about his musicality. Binksternet (talk) 18:11, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh thats a great help, thank you. I will get a selection of refs together and if it is ok with, ask you to take a quick look? Knitsey (talk) 18:15, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Binksternet. Would any of the following be OK for referencing?

[29]...soul, pop, blues, funk, and rock.

[30]...blues.

[31]...This might not be usable as the bio is from Sears' own website.

I've taken note of the template only being used for about 4 genres.

No rush at all for this. Knitsey (talk) 15:42, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe Reggie has been a Blues artist for well over a decade. It seems the majority of his recorded output is Southern Soul and R&B- Contemporary R&B and Neo-Soul as well. Listing him as Blues and Pop-Rock definitely doesn't seem to be accurate. It looks as though you pulled up a single venue listing (Rocco's) as the source for that?

Sears himself has also spoken on this on various social media per my research. Also, I'm not sure why you would have removed the multiple instruments that he plays as it seems that is part of his identity, like Prince for example. It seems to be well-documented.

[32] - Lists him as a singer, songwriter, producer, multi-instrumentalist.

Genres listed: Contemporary R&B, Modern Electric Blues, Neo-Soul, Soul, Soul-Blues, Southern Soul, Urban

[33] - I know that is his website but if we are talking genres, wouldn't it make sense to reference from there even if just for sub-context?

[34] I think this might be good?

[35] This is current and no mention of Blues but Southern Soul and R&B.

[36] Pretty straight forward.

Research also found that he has worked extensively in Hip Hop. Queenoftherumblingspires (talk) 13:31, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Artists don't establish their own genres on Wikipedia, because WP:SECONDARY sources from independent observers are considered definitive, while primary sources from involved people are not definitive, even if they may be interesting for the reader to know about. Primary source genres can be listed in the article body with attribution, for instance, "Sears considers his music to be..." But music critics and journalists are the definitive sources for genres in the infobox and for flat statements of genre in Wikipedia's voice. The AllMusic prose review by David Jeffries says Sears is blues and jazz-rock. Jeffries says that one song is "more of an R&B sound" but that is not strong enough to add R&B to the infobox. Binksternet (talk) 01:59, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I mean on Allmusic.com it lists his genres as: Contemporary R&B, Modern Electric Blues, Neo-Soul, Soul, Soul-Blues, Southern Soul, Urban

I would assume Contemporary R&B and Southern Soul would be his genre, as it seems that he has been in that world since 2006-2007. Allmusic also confirms that. Queenoftherumblingspires (talk) 07:14, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So wouldn't he be considered Blues, Contemporary R&B and Southern Soul as the genres? Queenoftherumblingspires (talk) 07:18, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

AllMusic automated genres are not reliable, so we only use the genres mentioned by the named music critic in their prose review. A note about this problem can be found at WP:ALBUMAVOID where it talks about the AllMusic automated "summary" genres. There have been cases, for instance, where the summary genre says reggae but the reviewer tells us that there is no reggae on the album.

I think we must list the Sears genres as blues and jazz-rock which should link to jazz fusion. Binksternet (talk) 15:06, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty sure though his career has been in the Southern Soul and Contemporary R&B world? It seems only one album “Transitions” is Blues and Jazz fusion. Research shows all singles following starting in 2006 were all in the Southern Soul market and later in the Contemporary R&B market. AllMusic seems to confirm that. All of the other references I listed seems to back that up as well. So I would think it is safe to say Blues, Southern Soul and Contemporary R&B would be the most accurate as that is what seems to be referenced as his primary styles. Queenoftherumblingspires (talk) 19:33, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You are "pretty sure" but what you need are reliable WP:SECONDARY sources naming his genres. Binksternet (talk) 20:53, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

AllMusic has in his bio that he started in Blues and pivoted to the Southern Soul genre and later Contemporary R&B so I’m not sure how that isn’t reliable source. Queenoftherumblingspires (talk) 22:01, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Let's continue this conversation at Talk:Reggie Sears. Binksternet (talk) 22:02, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2020 in music and similar pages

Hey Binksternet, this is redundant to the revert you probably just got notified about, but I also wanted to leave a talk page comment as well as a friendly courtesy. How I've been formatting the Year in Music deaths sections is to include musicians who may not have their own page, but did play in a notable group that does have a page. For instance, since Demetri Callas was a member of The Four Seasons for four years, he can be listed on that page. There are many such instances of these across the whole series of pages. This is a bit different from the main Deaths in [Month X] page, where such instances are purged at the end of a month. The 2020 page is before we started including a source with every listing, though. Just wanted to give you a heads up. Doc Strange (talk) 22:29, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the note! Cheers. Binksternet (talk) 23:06, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Talk:Britney Spears § Conservatorship wording

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Deleting accounts

Dear Binksternet, I was wondering if I could delete my old Miked1992 account, and move on to using this username and account instead Metalfan199220, in order to continue editing and avoid the sock puppet violation. If you could help me out with this I would really appreciate it, thanks. Metalfan199220 (talk) 21:26, 26 July 2025 (UTC)Metalfan199220Metalfan199220 (talk) 21:26, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You are not able to delete an old account. Your behavior with the new name is the same as with the old name, so of course the two names will be connected, including the history of warnings and blocks. If you wanted to have a Wikipedia:Clean start, you would have to create a third username and avoid the topics you were previously interested in: Spanish flu, 9/11 and heavy metal music. Binksternet (talk) 23:16, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I will definitely look into that, I was looking to edit a whole bunch of topics under this current user name. A clean start might not be a bad idea, Thanks for the advice Metalfan199220 (talk) 21:58, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

can you please create Dandy World page? Dongthichielts (talk) 09:09, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe you can work on the existing Draft:Dandy's World (Roblox game). Binksternet (talk) 15:04, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Editing Fridayy

Hi, Binksternet. His birthdate is 2000. They say he was born in 1997. 173.211.255.162 (talk) 12:55, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see a published source for either of those years. Binksternet (talk) 15:01, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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12.52.209.115

Despite your warnings, User:12.52.209.115 continues to make unreferenced (and often erroneous) changes. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:16, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I will keep an eye out. Binksternet (talk) 23:06, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Let It Go - Worldwide" table reversion

Hello! I noticed you reverted the table that I made on the Let It Go page listing all the language versions, and referenced Taiwan. I'm not all too familiar with the issue that's involved with that, is it the table itself or is it specifically the entry about Taiwan? I do notice most other translated pages for Let It Go have the same table listing all the dubbed versions of the song. Ivyydoeswiki (talk) 05:15, 30 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The WP:INDISCRIMINATE guideline says that not every fact is worthy of inclusion. Why would every one of the international dub versions be included? Many of these are routine. It is much better to tell the reader some detail about the versions that were called out by the media as extraordinary, for instance the Japan and Korea versions that were so popular they charted. Binksternet (talk) 15:09, 30 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough now that I read into it, thanks for the reply! Ivyydoeswiki (talk) 18:52, 30 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Talk:Britney Spears § GA plans

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Britney Spears § GA plans. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 23:28, 30 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Restoring various Wikipedia articles by readding "important" material back into the said Wikipedia articles

Hi. Please stop blocking me, my friend. And stop removing "unsourced or poorly sourced material" from various Wikipedia articles on me. If you don't stop removing said material from various Wikipedia articles on me, someone else will block your account, and you'll pay dearly for this. There is a reason why this important material is there to stay on Wikipedia in the various articles, such as Lynn Redgrave, Jodi Benson, MC Skat Kat, The Enchanted World, and others. You see, I'm trying to readd different editions of all of the works Binette Schroeder did, including the original German editions, as published in Germany, as well as all of the illustrators that did The Cow Book, and not just Binette Schroeder. If you look closely at the endpaper illustrations of the The Cow Book within the photos of the said book on Ebay when you type down "The Cow Book Marc Gallant" in the search box within the said website, and then hit search, you can see that Marc Gallant, who wrote the said book, also provided the endpaper illustrations of the "Ice Cream Cone Patterns" at both the beginning and the end of the book. As for Iring Fetscher and the other articles about various German authors, I'm trying to readd all of the German authors that worked on the Update on Rumpelstiltskin and other Fairy Tales by 43 Authors, which is compiled by Hans-Joachim Gelberg, illustrated by Willi Glasauer, and published by Beltz & Gelberg. And another thing. I'm trying to readd the name of the butterfly character within the MC Skat Kat article, namely Tibi the Take it Back Butterfly, as well as linking the name of the yak character voiced by Dr. John, Yakety Yak. And that goes for other red links to other articles that are yet to be created, including Audu Paden, Scout LaRue Willis, David Kasday, Max Bolliger, Mark Hess, Robert G. Giusti and/or Robert Giusti, Michael Patterson, Why Christmas Trees Aren't Perfect, Meet Your Animal Friends, Once Upon a Dinosaur, Dragons of Darkness, and lots of others. I'm even trying to restore information about Cameron Diaz's death in 2015 back into the Cameron Diaz article, and readd George Clooney and Katy Perry back into the Annie article, since Clooney and Perry made cameo appearances in that film. And on top of everything else, I'm trying to readd some films some celebrities appeared in into their articles, such as Lynn Redgrave providing narration in the 1983 film Meet Your Animal Friends, and Jodi Benson provided the voice of the princess character in Why Christmas Trees Aren't Perfect, Princess Arabella. I am also trying to restore the List of Kyōryū Sentai Zyuranger characters just by readding the Zyu2 Monsters, a group of animal-themed and plant-themed villains/monsters being a group of special Dora Monsters that appeared in Zyu2, among all of the other list of characters articles. And not to mention readding Catherine O'Hara and William Hickey back into the Robots article, and the characters they voiced, notably the Sally voice box and the Dr. Finkelstein voice box within Jack Hammer's Hardware Store, and not just James Earl Jones's Mufasa voice box character, as well as putting a few changes to the Looney Tunes: Back in Action article just by replacing three male actors, two of which voiced two popular cartoon characters, with Paula Abdul and several voice actors and actresses, and all of the cartoon characters they voiced, as they are first created in the 1980's and the 1990's, including those of Animaniacs, Yakety Yak, Take it Back, Opposites Attract, Batman: The Animated Series, Taz-Mania, Cats Don't Dance, Quest for Camelot, and Tiny Toon Adventures. I am also even trying to readd all of the artists that did the Time Life book series The Enchanted World within the The Enchanted World article, starting with the first installment, The Enchanted World: Wizards and Witches. Sooner or later, I will restore all of the said material back into the various articles. Please do think about it and then decide to let me restore what you removed. Please do grant me my request. Okay? You got that? Thank you. 12.21.236.98 (talk) 15:12, 31 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Important" is your opinion, not shared by others. I see you violating the WP:INDISCRIMINATE guideline along with massive dismissals of WP:No original research, bringing unreferenced, unnecessary detail into articles. You have also evaded your various blocks by hopping to different IPs. You were blocked five times as Special:Contributions/50.205.182.253, and six times as Special:Contributions/2600:1700:EA50:7FD0:0:0:0:0/64. In 2017, you were blocked as Special:Contributions/2602:306:33C5:1860:0:0:0:0/64 after previously committing horrible vandalism like this. My first warnings to you were made in 2015 to the Texas IP range Special:Contributions/2602:306:33C5:2C90:0:0:0:0/64. Many pages have been put into protection to prevent disruption from you. It was probably you suggesting we violate the WP:NOR policy at the Skat Strut talk page back in 2010.

The stuff you want to add to Wikipedia is considered excessive by many other editors. At Yakety Yak (disambiguation), you made changes ten times, and all ten times you were reverted by others. At Binette Schroeder, you keep trying to a huge field of redlinks, which has been reverted a dozen times. At 1991 in literature, you keep trying to add non-notable books with redlinks, and you are reverted every time. At Iring Fetscher, you keep trying to a giant field of redlinks, but other editors don't agree and they revert you. Many times you've gone to the Lynn Redgrave bio to add excessive links and irrelevant lists of animals, and you have been reverted every time. You have been wasting the community's time with your activity; you are a net negative to the wiki. I'm not going to stop preventing your disruption. Binksternet (talk) 17:10, 31 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, yes, you are! And I'm not a net negative, either! If you ever revert various articles back to the way they were before, the other editors will block your account! And next time, you'll be sorry for what you did and I won't get blocked! And your temper is going to get you into a lot of trouble someday! And one more thing! The stuff I wanted to add to Wikipedia is NOT excessive to all of the other editors! So, let me restore all of the stuff back into the various articles throughout Wikipedia! So there! 12.21.236.98 (talk) 17:29, 31 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) Please stop your net negative editing and your user harassment messages, either research how this website works or go play somewhere else. - FlightTime (open channel) 19:10, 31 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

808 & Heartbreak

MariaJaydHicky is back again with her genre warring [37]. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 18:36, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yup. Binksternet (talk) 20:01, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So Tonight That I Might See credits

Now you're getting somewhere. Well, I'm sorry to bother you, but I'm trying to let you know that without the instruments credited on the site, I won't have any idea who played on the tracks, except if you check an artist's page. The liner notes don't even show any instruments credited. It's crazy because I memorized who played in my head and added it to musicbrainz.com. So I just wanted to let you know. Ianm sings (talk) 01:57, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The album lists the writing credits for each song and it gives a list of performers. No instruments are assigned to the performers. You would have to take that information from some other published source in order to restore the personnel section with instruments. Binksternet (talk) 03:12, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Declined speedy deletion: Draft:Fairytale (Marshmello song)

Hi there! I wanted to let you know that I declined your G5 speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Fairytale (Marshmello song) because I didn't see any evidence that the article was created through block evasion. If you would like to share your evidence, feel free to do so in response to this message and/or by submitting a SPI. Thanks! Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 01:10, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced genres?

When I deleted pop from the genres I didn’t see any sources for it. Is there something wrong I did when editing it? Likewise for We’ll meet again, the genres I added were sourced by all music, a reliable source. Country&Rockabilly54 (talk) 02:25, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You deleted pop from "Wichita Lineman" despite the text description quoting Stuart Maconie saying the song was "the greatest pop song ever composed."

At "We'll Meet Again" you said that two genres were "sourced by allmusic" but AllMusic isn't cited. Vera Lynn's own AllMusic bio says that the song is a pop ballad,[38] but it is not cited. Binksternet (talk) 02:32, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thank you. I’ll make sure to be more careful next time. Country&Rockabilly54 (talk) 02:48, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

While we’re discussing this, what was wrong with my edit on Marty Robbins’ page? There are, in fact, sources for both genres. Country&Rockabilly54 (talk) 02:53, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Too many genres listed in the infobox. The instructions at Template:Infobox musical artist tell us to use two to four genres, aiming for generality. If more than four genres are associated with the artist, we describe them in prose in the article body. The four displayed in the infobox should be the most important ones. Binksternet (talk) 02:58, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, thank you. I’ll pay more attention next time. Country&Rockabilly54 (talk) 03:00, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cut it out

You decided that you were going to target an edit of mine that I then reinforced with sources despite it clearly being sky is blue. You then decided to target every one of my edits by going through my contribution log. If you have an issue, bring it up on the talk page instead of making up reasons or engaging in edit warring yourself. 2600:100C:B011:2A01:C63:7096:1026:1B34 (talk) 22:50, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You are violating the hard policy of WP:No original research by inserting your own analysis. Binksternet (talk) 22:56, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong. Not a single time have I done this, and you’d be hard pressed to find anybody that agrees with you. One of my edits was literally removing unsourced content. One of them was simply pointing out vote results. The other was stating verbatim what a valid source said. 2600:100C:B011:2A01:C63:7096:1026:1B34 (talk) 23:00, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you don't see it you don't belong here. Binksternet (talk) 23:00, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I truly could give fewer shits about your opinion of what I’m doing. You have failed to back yourself up once. You do not own this wiki. Go ahead and make complaints where they should be made. 2600:100C:B011:2A01:C63:7096:1026:1B34 (talk) 23:05, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fungus Amongus

Hey, Binksternet. I've seen you added funk as a genre on Fungus Amongus. I'm not reverting anything, but it seems a little WP:FRINGE. While the album is heavily influenced by 1970s funk (not sure if this is sourced in the article, but it's obvious from listening to it) I'd say Incubus were mainly a metal band in the 1990s. Also, "suburban MTV funk" doesn't sound like it's calling the album funk in a traditional sense, more like it's referring to white funk rock bands, like Red Hot Chilli Peppers or Faith No More. I have no strong opinion either way, but it may be worth discussing. Happy editing! CleoCat16 (talk) 00:47, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The funk genre is clearly supported by the source. Of course the band is not trad funk, but funk is what the reviewer Dean Carlson called it. Carlson described one song as "funkier" than Rage Against the Machine, and he said the album as a whole is a "step removed" from the usual rap metal of the day. Binksternet (talk) 00:52, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the "funk" tag from the infobox cause it seems kinda nonsensical since the genre is already present in the funk metal one. Anyway, it seems kinda fringe, don't think they sound like James Brown. SpaceHelmetX1 (talk) 02:20, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

18 Yellow Roses

Correct me if I’m wrong, but Countrypolitan is the term used for country pop songs from before the urban Cowboy era (even if there is slight stylistic differences)? Country&Rockabilly54 (talk) 21:57, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:EXPLICITGENRE encourages us to use the same wording as the source rather than to try and shoehorn the review into some other shape. I'm sure if they meant countrypolitan they would have used that word. Binksternet (talk) 22:00, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

94.70.147.128

Just came across User:94.70.147.128 and thought I'd bring them to your attention. A quick glance at their edit history shows similar behaviour to User:195.170.9.114, whom you pointed out as ban evasion by User:Dealer07. Rosaece ♡ talk ♡ contributions 21:04, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's them. You nailed it. Binksternet (talk) 21:09, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Binksternet...

...is this perhaps a sock you recognize? Drmies (talk) 12:58, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The recently blocked User:Italianpasta999 was doing the same things. And Special:Contributions/2600:1010:B132:C64F:10ED:4506:9C02:A324. Not sure about long-term. Binksternet (talk) 14:09, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks--and who do you think this is? I'd love to have CU here, haha. Drmies (talk) 14:18, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure. Binksternet (talk) 14:31, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The user is now indeffed because they were found to be the same person as Italianpasta999. Binksternet (talk) 15:13, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

stop playing with me with the editing

we can do this all day and all week. you aint gonna stop and i aint gonna stop this until you leave everything i that expanded on Naughty by Nature and A Tribe Called Quest. I'm not playing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2608:5972:1000:3C76:E903:D300:4637 (talk • contribs)

At some point you'll be blocked for disruption. Binksternet (talk) 15:15, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

i dont care, i'll come back anyway. release dates are WRONG!!! you're WRONG 2600:4808:5972:1000:3C76:E903:D300:4637 (talk) 15:19, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

i dont care, i'll come back anyway. release dates are WRONG!!! you're WRONG

You keep violating WP:BLP at the Treach page. Persistent BLP violations are not tolerated by admins. Binksternet (talk) 15:23, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ok go right ahead, i'm not even gonna go back and forth with this. smdfh Contintue to leave errors and misinformation dummies 2600:4808:5972:1000:3C76:E903:D300:4637 (talk) 15:34, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You won't have to go back and forth for a while. Drmies (talk) 15:59, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

edit reverted

hey you noticed you reverted my edits from Bobby Brown's Every Little Step, i'm so sorry, i'm just so very interested that Spring Yard Zone sounds like Bobby Brown's Every little step because i found it on Sonic soundalike video, as Masato Nakamura influences from Synth-pop, soul, new jack swing and funk, i didn't found any reliable sources mentioning this Kuyalanz (talk) 00:34, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, nope and nope. You don't get to share your discoveries on Wikipedia. There is a hard policy against it which you can read: WP:No original research. Binksternet (talk) 01:00, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Female Boss page

Hello, just wondering why you are so insistent on Tulisa releasing an album this year? Do you have insider information? Just curious as you keep editing the page to say her next album is “TBA” in “2025”. Thanks! LGP8 (talk) 21:09, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My only concern was to revert a sockpuppet. Binksternet (talk) 22:15, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

FYI

I've blocked 181.42.240.0/20 for a month.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 19:07, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Super! That person in Chile is insistent. Binksternet (talk) 22:38, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Bugle: Issue 232, August 2025

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If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from this page. Your editors, Ian Rose (talk) and Nick-D (talk) 10:55, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Stateside Puerto Ricans editing situation

I just put Kentucky by accident. 173.211.255.162 (talk) 12:03, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why was my edit removed, and then you said you regretted it but didn’t put it back??

What’s up with that?? Can I change it back?? Rskalfus28 (talk) 20:48, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Real life interrupted. I'll get to it. Binksternet (talk) 20:49, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I need help!

I need your help because a user named ResolutionsPerMinute is saying that AllMusic is an unreliable source & also saying AllMusic user reviews are considered unreliable which is totally incorrect, I don’t wanna engage in an edit war & I need backup because this all started when I sourced the genre Skate punk from AllMusic on the Sk8er Boi Wikipedia article! I do believe my intentions were good but I’m also getting a negative situation where I’m just trying to make Wikipedia a better place but people wanna engage in an edit war & I don’t wanna get blocked for doing the right thing so I came to someone to help me solve this issue, I’m also gonna let you know that this user has gotten into hot water with other users because of he removed cited sources from Wikipedia articles if you wanna look at his talk page! I’m just gonna avoid this or anymore Wikipedia articles until it blows over honestly! Thanx! OpionsAreFreeSpeech (talk) 02:29, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

AllMusic is reliable if you see a signed review by an established music critic listing the author's name. Anything written in prose under that person's name is assumed to be reliable. User reviews are not reliable, nor are the automated genres listed above the review. Binksternet (talk) 02:43, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User reviews are not? News to me! This shit’s confusing! I’m just tryna contribute I’m sorry! We’re all good?OpionsAreFreeSpeech (talk) 02:46, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How did you build your user page?

I’m tryna figure out how I need to build my user page because I’m not sure how so I’m asking you how you built yours! Can you show me? OpionsAreFreeSpeech (talk) 02:49, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I copied some parts from someone else and then modified it. I can't explain easily. It would take me a while to do it again. Binksternet (talk) 02:50, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Same! I’d probably copy from yours & edit to me! OpionsAreFreeSpeech (talk) 02:54, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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AIV

In case the bot cleans up before you see it, I blocked the /45 range for that LTA ([39]). Refer to that range if you encounter them again in the future. EvergreenFir (talk) 18:20, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you much! Binksternet (talk) 18:54, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wind Takes Flight

Hello, back in July I wrote an article about the album Wind Takes Flight. It was recorded live using a 4DSOUND spatial audio system. I'm curious about how much this is noticeable on the recording. I suspect you would have to have a special surround sound audio system to even notice it? Viriditas (talk) 00:24, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Good work.

4DSOUND is new to me. After looking around the interwebs for five minutes, I get the impression that 4DSOUND is an immersive playback or performance sound system. I don't know how someone would be able to say that their recording was done in 4DSOUND; it's more like the recording would have spatial information included, and that information could be applied to various immersive sound systems such as Dolby ATMOS. Most home listeners would not have access to a system that places source sounds in space individually. A 5.1 surround sound sytem would not be enough. Perhaps there's a spatial audio headphones system out there somewhere. Binksternet (talk) 12:06, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

They are having a listening party at Monom on September 14 during the Spatial Festival.[40] So the work appears designed to be played in certain key venues like Monom.[41] Best I could come up with. Viriditas (talk) 19:33, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Killing Me Softly

Hi, I’ve noticed you've contributed a lot of edits to the "Killing Me Softly" page. I’ve been thinking about creating a separate article for The Fugees' version, similar to how there's a page for I Will Always Love You (Whitney Houston recording).

I realize this case is a bit different, since there isn’t a single definitive version, since both Roberta Flack's and The Fugees' recordings are sentimental. That said, my reasoning is that The Fugees' version isn't just a straightforward cover: it samples multiple tracks, shifts the song into a completely different genre, and became the most commercially successful rendition. It's also been heavily sampled by other prominent artists.

Do you think that’s enough to justify a standalone article, or does the fact that Flack's version is equally definitive make the current setup more appropriate? Kanyfug (talk) 14:41, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think all three stories can be told on the same page. The page is only 66 kb in size, so it's not large enough to split for reasons of size.

If we did split it up, it should be three pages, one for each story. The first story is how Lori Lieberman got screwed. The second story is how Flack re-arranged it and made it famous. The third story is how the Fugees version drew from sources, got famous and in turn influenced others.

Each of these pages will have to summarize the other two, so after we split them up, the total size would be larger. There would be a bunch of redundant information frustrating the reader who walks through all three pages.

Considering all of that, I am not in favor of splitting. Binksternet (talk) 16:01, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That’s actually a really good point. Thanks for the feedback Kanyfug (talk) 22:20, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Who Sell Out Superdeluxe

Hello there, I noticed that someone had posted a complete track listing for the 2021 superdeluxe version of The Who's "Sell Out" box set which you then reverted, noting that Discogs is not a valid reference source.

I know you're some kind of super-editor on this site, so maybe you can give me some direction--it is my understanding that exceptions can be made for some reference sources that ordinarily wouldn't be valid, if they contain extra information on them that is actually solid evidence for a revision. For example, if a some random person's daily blog post contains a photo reproduction of a newspaper or magazine article with an interview with a musician or a review of their album, that would be allowed since it's actually quoting from the newspaper or magazine, and the blog post is merely being used as a link to see the photo reproduction. In the case of Discogs, that site often posts clear photo reproductions of the liner notes to CD editions and box sets, etc. I notice that Discogs is used as a reference for the personnel on the album--a reference you have not deleted, possibly because the entry being used as reference for personnel is to the 1995 reissue of the album that Discogs actually has photo reprints of all the liner notes.

Well, I just checked the Discogs entry for the superdeluxe box and it does indeed contain photo reproductions of the ENTIRE liner notes, including the track listings that the other person posted which you removed. Here's an example showing the track listings for CD three, although if you scroll left or right you can see all the other track listings for the other discs as well:

https://www.discogs.com/release/17778550-The-Who-The-Who-Sell-Out/image/SW1hZ2U6NTYwNjMzMzU=

Wouldn't that be solid enough evidence to retain the track listings for the superdeluxe set in the Wiki article? And if not, what WOULD be a good reference to use for such an entry? Because I can't think of anything better than a photo reproduction of the contents of the box set. I mean, is it as easy as simply referencing the box set directly, without any mention of Discogs? Because if so, I would very much like to see that addition be re-instated. I have the "Sell Out" deluxe box set and can testify that info was exactly what is included on the set; it would be a real shame not to have it. So many other album articles have the track listings for superdeluxe sets on them. Mtopper73 (talk) 10:46, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The issue is not with Discogs but with the requirement for media coverage to make an alternate track listing important enough to include. See WP:ALTTRACKLISTING which says the alternative tracks have received "significant coverage in secondary sources and are the subject of extensive commentary in the article." The material I removed cited only discogs and thewho.com. What's needed is an independent review of the box set supporting summary prose about it.

It's always possible that someone may have messed with or doctored an image containing text—photoshop as a verb. A blog quoting an image of an album is less reliable than seeing multiple images of that album uploaded by multiple contributors. In that sense, Discogs beats the blog.

If you're going to cite a release, Discogs is not needed, even though it is a convenience. The album or single is its own reference, having a title, a publisher, a catalog number and a date which you would add to Template:Cite AV media. Binksternet (talk) 13:39, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

About Vulfpeck

Hi, about this Diff, I don't get it. Why add a duplicate ref and citation when the original source (ref. #4) is already cited? Bammesk (talk) 03:19, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I missed it. I was searching for mcsweeneys.net in the article and it was not there. Binksternet (talk) 03:39, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question Concerning Your Reversions

Binksternet,

I saw that you reverted a bunch of contributions that I made based on this AP article about US tech companies supporting China’s surveillance state. The article struck me as very important, and I sincerely do not understand the grounds for reverting every effort to cite it. You wrote in your edit summary that the article was a “grab-bag condemnation of American tech companies” and “not specifically about any one company.” I don’t think that’s right. To take the clearest example, there are a bunch of paragraphs in the article about IBM specifically. The article also describes questionable behavior by other companies, but I don’t see how that detracts from the validity of the specific allegations concerning IBM.

You also say that the tech companies were selling tech to the Chinese legally and there were no arrests, but I’m not aware of any WP policy that makes that the standard for inclusion of information like this in an article. Is there one?

I added the paragraph about the AP article on the IBM page right after a passage that says: “In June 2025, IBM was named by a UN expert report as one of several companies ‘central to Israel's surveillance apparatus and the ongoing Gaza destruction.’” Is there a distinction between the report on supplying Israel’s security apparatus and the AP’s report concerning China’s security apparatus which makes one suitable for inclusion in the article but not the other?

Other major media outlets, like ABC News, the Washington Post, U.S. News & World Report, etc., and many smaller newspapers, have carried the AP article, so the marketplace of reliable sources seems to support its notability.

I don’t mean to be argumentative, but this is the first time I’ve had significant contributions reverted like this and I don’t understand the reason for it. If it’s more appropriate to raise this on the talk pages for the affected articles, rather than your user talk page, then please advise. I’m still learning some of the nuances of WP etiquette and procedures.

Thank you.

Jameson Jameson Nightowl (talk) 05:06, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The first thing to note is that your contributions have been revdeled (Wikipedia:Revision deletion) because of copyright concerns. I'm not an admin; I am not able to accomplish that task. Admin Diannaa was the one removing the history of your work,[42] listing the source of copied text as https://brandequity.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/digital/us-tech-companies-enabled-the-surveillance-and-detention-of-hundreds-of-thousands-in-china/123780280. Of course that's the same AP text from the original, republished in India. You might have copied and pasted some text, or you may have changed a word here and there without satisfying Wikipedia's copyright guideline about close paraphrasing. See Wikipedia:Copyrights.

So why did I remove your contributions before they were revdeled? WP:INDISCRIMINATE says not every fact is worth including. You were shotgunning multiple Silicon Valley tech companies with the same material despite that material not being shown to be significant to the company's history or narrative. It was a minor journalistic point being made, a point with no teeth.

China is responsible for their own brutal tactics and authoritarian police state. The Silicon Valley companies were just satisfying a customer's request. I expect this media report will fade out and nothing will come of it.

The proper placement of a brief summary of the AP story would be some article talking about China's internal surveillance (Mass surveillance in China) or their police state in general. Or you could expand the Ministry of Public Security (China) page with something about global criticism of their practices. But don't forget the section at Alibaba_Group#Social_responsibility talking about how China's own Alibaba aids and abets the Chinese police state with technology solutions. I wonder why the AP journalists completely missed this important element. Maybe it was easier to get mad at California tech companies. Binksternet (talk) 06:06, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the response, I appreciate it. As for the copyright issue, I thought I summarized/paraphrased points from the article appropriately, but I’ll be more careful about that going forward. I disagree as to the importance of the points the article made. For example, it says IBM helped design China’s “Golden Shield” and specifically marketed its products as tools for Chinese police to control citizens. That goes beyond just fulfilling a customer’s request. I tried to focus on specific details like that as to each company, rather than including the same material on each page (although there was admittedly some overlap). I’ll take your suggestion and put a brief summary of the article on the Mass Surveillance in China page as soon as I have a chance. Thanks again. Jameson Nightowl (talk) 06:38, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dog and rapper vandal?

Did the dog and rapper vandal move to the Los Angeles area or is this just an IP user with similar interests? The rough combination of rappers and animation-related people articles fits, but I've also seen some IPs this year geolocate to his usual haunt of Philadelphia.

• 2600:4040:7A08:F200:0:0:0:0/64 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial)) - used January to March 2025, geolocates to Philadelphia
• 65.59.226.18 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) - off and on since September 2024, geolocates to Culver City, California
• 204.102.230.69 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) - used August 2-3, 2025, geolocates to Los Angeles, educational network

wizzito | say hello! 23:20, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I looked over the edits of these IP groups and did not see a smoking gun with reference to the style of that LTA case. If you can establish a pattern match I will be happy to endorse it at WP:SPI. Binksternet (talk) 23:49, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I'm leaning more towards "person with similar interests to DRV" than "DRV in a new location." wizzito | say hello! 23:52, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Voting for WikiProject Military history coordinators is now open!

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Cerys Matthews cover of Weightless again

This is the 2nd time you've removed my edit, what's your problem? I even added an external link. Wikipedia is ment to be a digital encyclepedia and I added infomation that is backed up by both the wikipedia link to said album the cover is included on and external link to allmusic. 62.49.163.44 (talk) 11:42, 18 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page watcher) It's also "MENT" to be correct. - FlightTime (open channel) 12:50, 18 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I removed your addition because Wikipedia is not meant to carry an exhaustive list of minor facts. See WP:INDISCRIMINATE.

Taking this idea into music articles, the guideline WP:SONGCOVER sets a high bar to inclusion of cover versions. The fact that the cover versions exist is not enough; they must have charted, or have been described as extraordinary by the media. At the bare minimum they may have been listed by a music critic who is talking about the various versions of the song. Binksternet (talk) 15:34, 18 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever, should remove the other covers listed to then, not even heard of any of the other people who covered their songs. Typical yanks thinking they rule the world while Wales gets ignored as usual 62.49.163.44 (talk) 15:47, 18 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion declined: File:All Right 2001.png

Hello Binksternet. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of File:All Right 2001.png, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: F3 does not apply to images under a non-free use claim. Thank you. Whpq (talk) 15:36, 19 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The same reason applies to the other album covers you nominated under F3. It looks like you are using the wrong CSD. Are you looking to dispute the non-free usage? That usually comes under F7. If you are using Twinkle, you won't find F7 anywhere under the CSD menu. It's actually under the DI menu. -- Whpq (talk) 15:41, 19 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I will nominate the files for deletion through discussion, the slower method. Binksternet (talk) 15:43, 19 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]