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Just as this K-1 cart braves the rugged hills and solemn valleys, so too shall I press onward, threading the silver wires of wisdom through the land, that light and learning may follow in my wake.
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About: This user formerly works for the UN. This user was appointed Person of the Year by Time in 2006. This user is a proud recipient of the 2015 Erasmus Prize This user has been on Wikipedia for 5 years, 3 months and 1 day. 8,800+ This user has made over 8,800 contributions to Wikimedia projects. This user wishes editing Wikipedia were a job; that way they could procrastinate some other way! This user is not an administrator. This user has access to the Wikipedia Library. This user is a donor to the Wikimedia Foundation. You can be one, too. This user respects copyright, but sometimes it can be a major pain. incl This user is an inclusionist. This user studies or studied at University of Indonesia. This user is a student or graduate of The University of Melbourne ꦥꦔꦁꦒꦺꦴꦲꦶꦏꦶꦏꦺꦠꦸꦫꦸꦤꦤ꧀ꦭꦁꦱꦸꦁꦱꦏꦥꦔꦺꦫꦤ꧀ꦢꦶꦥꦤꦼꦒꦫ。 This user is a direct descendant of Prince Diponegoro. Babel/Languages: Wikipedia:Babel en-4 This user can contribute with a near-native level of English. id-4 Pengguna ini mampu bersumbangsih dengan bahasa Indonesia mendekati penutur ibu. de-3 Dieser Benutzer hat sehr gute Deutschkenntnisse. ar-2 هذا المستخدم يستطيع المساهمة بالعربية بمستوى متوسط. fr-2 Cet utilisateur peut contribuer avec un niveau intermédiaire en français. cmn-1 該用戶能以基本的官話進行交流。 该用戶能以基本的官话进行交流。 Search user languages This user likes to translate and proofread articles from Indonesian to English. This user likes to translate articles from German to English. Latn-5 A This user has full understanding of the Latin script. Arab-5 ع‎ This user has full understanding of the Arabic script. Cyrl-4 Д This user has a near-complete understanding of the Cyrillic script. Hani-1 文 This user has a basic understanding of the Chinese characters. PY This user has an understanding of Hanyu Pinyin. WikiProjects/Edit Focus: This user participates in WikiProject Southeast Asia. This user participates in WikiProject Timor-Leste. This user is a participant in WikiProject Indonesia. This user supports ASEAN Community This user wants to compile and preserve the sum of all human knowledge. This user is always fascinated as they search their family history and build a family tree to see what black sheep will turn up next. This user loves history.

Kaliper1, also known as K1, is a Wikipedian editor who has been editing articles since 25 June 2020. Kaliper1 began contributing to various Wikimedia sites by initially focusing on making minor improvements such as correcting grammatical errors, adding citations, fixing formatting, adding category and image tags, captions, and links. This hobby served as a pastime after half-retiring from other endeavors. However, due to the upheaval of 2020 and the COVID-19 pandemic, kaliper1 found themselves with an abundance of free time, leading to feelings of boredom and a desire to make a positive impact on the world. As a result, they turned their attention towards contributing to Wikipedia and other related sites, with the aim of making meaningful contributions to the broader online community.

Contributions

To many to list them down, You can see my Wikipedia contributions here and Commons uploads, in which some are still in display, are here.

Persons of interests in China

One of the first image/texts edits I've done in Wikipedia was concerning persons of interests in China. Specifically 1920-1940s Manchukuo and Northeast China. I've initially chosen this due to the fact that I was returning back from Beijing. Visiting Museums, Universities (Jilin and Northeast), Old Buildings, and Religious sites in northeast china, that's plastered with history, intrigues me. And during my time there, I've had uploaded photos on Baidu baike (Chinese: 百度百科; pinyin: Bǎidù Bǎikē; lit. 'Baidu Encyclopedia'), A chinese version of Wikipedia per-say. Mainly about unknown and obscure old photos catalogued in museums from the 1920-40's. As of now i've only uploaded Pictures of Feng Yong (Chinese: 馮庸) and Ying Qianli (Chinese: 英千里) from my Baidu baike postings and scouring. So far also i'm planning to add all of my picture postings in Baidu baike site to wikipedia for the world to see. On 2024, I've revisited China, specifically in the Dunhuang area where I traversed the via a local bus. This visit was specifically towards interest within the Silk road, eventually reaching Xi'an. Most of my photos was corrupted due to a damaged SD drive, but thankfully some was managed to get extracted. I'll upload some here at commons.

Everything Timor-Leste

I have had the opportunity to contribute to the Wikipedia pages related to Timor-Leste, a small country situated between Indonesia and Australia. Specifically, my focus has been on editing and improving the political and geographical sections of these pages. One significant challenge I encountered was the scarcity of information on the English version of the Timor-Leste Wiki in comparison to the more extensive and detailed German Wiki pages. To address this disparity, I decided to translate relevant pages from German to English, which allowed me to make meaningful contributions to the English language wiki community. I noticed that there were far more German language Wikis about Timor-Leste than English, and the Indonesian Wiki was highly underdeveloped. Given that I had some understanding of the German language, albeit a bit rusty and not in use for a long time, I decided to contribute my skills and knowledge to this cause. Thus far, I have been able to make a meaningful contribution by translating and expanding several Wiki pages related to Timor-Leste by also joining WikiProject East Timor.

One out of many examples of the changes I made to these Wiki pages can be seen in the pages for KOTA, PUN, and PST, where I added detailed information on the geography and politics of these regions. I find Timor-Leste to be a fascinating country with a rich cultural history and also personal history! In which, motivated me to contribute to these Wiki pages. I wish to visit Timor-Leste one last time. However, that is a story for another time. In the meantime, I hope others can appreciate the work that I, and many others, have done to improve the quality and depth of information available on Timor-Leste.

ASEAN

ASEAN's Big Five — (L to R) Philippine Foreign Secretary Narciso Ramos, Indonesian Foreign Minister Adam Malik, Thai Foreign Minister Thanat Khoman, Malaysian Deputy Prime Minister Tun Abdul Razak, and Singaporean Foreign Minister S. Rajaratnam.

My interest in ASEAN (the Association of Southeast Asian Nations) comes from a long and deep fascination with regional cooperation, diplomacy, and the cultural ties that bind Southeast Asia together. I began editing and improving ASEAN-related articles to clarify and expand historical contexts, particularly those involving the founding period in the late 1960s. Much of my work has focused on the ASEAN Declaration (Bangkok Declaration), the formation meetings in Bangkok, and the early diplomatic efforts involving Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, Singapore, and Thailand. I was inspired to contribute after studying archival newspapers and documents from the region, including materials from national archives and various foreign ministry publications during my time in university.

My goal is to help make ASEAN articles more comprehensive and accessible, not only for Southeast Asian readers but also for the wider global community. I have a mission to make ASEAN related articles to be comparable to the standards of WikiProject European Union; as much as 1:1. As I, and many parts of the community, see the EU as our main role model; and we should follow their example. Indeed, it is a one-man band. But it is hoped that these efforts will encourage greater understanding of ASEAN’s role in regional stability, economic growth, and cultural exchange in Asia. If the EU can work, so to does ASEAN. And if a sitting Defence Secretary of the U.S. does not know what ASEAN is,^[1] then there is much more work to be done.

Pop Kreatif

If you're here from the Pop Kreatif article, I'd recommend listen to this Playlist first to get the idea of what is truly, Indonesia's City Pop. [Give it a try.]

Current drafts

Even as an established editor with the rights and requirements of autoconfirmed status to publish articles directly, I rarely make use of that route. Instead, I typically opt to create articles through the Articles for Creation (AfC) process. Both for the purposes of a better review and recheck, a second opinion is incorporated into the drafting stage. It is, in my view, a safer and more reliable method that helps refine an article to its fullest. The only exceptions are articles tied to ongoing events or matters of timeliness, where immediate publication may be warranted.

Here are Kaliper1's current drafts. You may see my work being done below.

• Draft:Sri Bintang Pamungkas - Research Phase (On Hold) - 11.5%
• Draft:South East Asian League - Submission - 99%
• Draft:Federal Southeast Asia - Deep Research phase - 2% ^{Hardest Article yet}
• Draft:Pan-SEA identity - Research Phase (On Hold) - 0%
• Draft:ASEAN Headquarters - Redo Writing - 36%
• Draft:Malayo-Chamic languages - Research (on hold) - 15%
• Draft:Anti-Singaporean sentiment - Start - 1%

Expansions. Articles not made by me, but have the obligation to look better than my articles.

• ASEAN Declaration by - Expansion - 64%

> Reason: Updated needed (c.2005)

• Indonesia and weapons of mass destruction - Research - 9%

> Reason: Suspect. per WP:LLM.

Joint projects in WP:Indonesia.

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Articles

Articles I have significantly contributed to or created Pop kreatif History of ASEAN Association of Southeast Asia Luo Fangbo Japanese occupation of West Sumatra Hirohara Shrine Indonesian Democratic Union Party Ching Nan Shrine Marawa Minangkabau Sulawesi Canal Articles I've started or developed with emerging importance Lafaek Diak Senja (genre) Yano Kenzo Family of Joko Widodo Bregada Jakarta–Peking Axis Daniel Alexander Maukar Achmadi Hadisoemarto Accession of Sri Lanka to ASEAN Central Sulawesi Youth Movement North Natuna Sea Tengku Mansur Yamato Hotel incident Timorese Labour Party

Barnstars

The Original Barnstar Important contributions and generally kind.‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎‎ ‎‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ — DinoSoupCanada (talk) 02:23, 20 August 2022 (UTC) The Special Barnstar Thank you for your creation of East Timor–Brunei relations. Keep up the great work!‎‎ ‎‎‎‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ — Pangalau (talk) 04:44, 19 December 2023 (UTC) The Original Barnstar Thanks for your endorsement of the candidacy of my page 2025 Indonesian protests into ITN! For now, the news about the protests is on Main Page. —   DDG9912   00:23, 28 March 2025 (UTC) The Writer's Barnstar Thank you for your work in creating articles. At this point, you really don't have to use AfC; you can just publish them. It kinda wastes reviewer's time. Anywho, thank you for your contributions! Keep it up, and I hope to see more! — veko. (user | talk | contribs) 21:39, 4 September 2025 (UTC)

Newspaper

Single-page Edition WP:POST/1 10 November 2025 News and notes Temporary accounts go live and WMF board member self-suspends Community view Six Wikipedians' thoughts on Grokipedia, and the humanity of it all Wikicup report BeanieFan11, WikiCup victor of 2025, covers the results In the media Jimbo's book, an argument about genocide, and a train of shame Recent research Taking stock of the 2024–2025 research grants Opinion With Grokipedia, top-down control of knowledge is new again Obituary Struway Traffic report The documentaried, the disowned, the deceased, Diwali and the Dodgers Comix Head of steam   File:Wikipedia Temporary Account.svg Ahecht CC 3.0 BY-SA 300 Kaliper1 Temporary accounts go live and WMF board member self-suspends Contribute   —   Share this  PDF download  E-mail  Mastodon  LinkedIn  Facebook  X (Twitter)  Reddit By Bri, Soni and Oltrepier Quick reminders Here's a quick video tutorial about how temporary accounts work, courtesy of Katie Coleman Temporary accounts are now live on the English Wikipedia, after having already been rolled out on more than one thousand other wikis. Edits by logged-out users will no longer display an IP address, instead displaying an "account" name, like "~2025-01234-78". See the February 27 and October 20 issues of the Signpost for more information. Discussion about the newly-deployed feature continues in a Village Pump thread. The process for the December 2025 ArbCom elections has begun, with the Arbitration Committee looking to seat nine members for the upcoming term. The nomination process for candidates has already begun and will continue until 11 November — see the 20 October issue for more. — S, O WMF board member apologizes, "suspends" board activity On the Wikimedia-l mailing list, Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees member Victoria Doronina posted a public apology for an email she had sent — also on Wikimedia-l — in early October. This email regarded Ravan Al-Taie and Lane Rasberry, two candidates who the Board had removed from the slate for the 2025 elections before the start of the community voting period. In the post, Doronina said "I would like to apologise to Ravan and Lane for any harm I may have caused"; she also announced her decision to "immediately suspend [herself] from most of the Board activities until the end of the year, in coordination with Board officers". See both the Special report and Interview sections from our previous issue for further context on the elections and the October incident in question. — B Wikimania 2027 in Santiago The Gran Torre Costanera in Santiago, Chile, which will host Wikimania 2027 In a joint post on Diff, the Wikimania Steering Committee, the 2027 Core Organizing Team and the Wikimedia Foundation announced that Wikimania 2027 will be held in Santiago, Chile, likely in August, with the exact dates being subject to confirmation of the venues within the next year. This will be the third Wikimania ever hosted in Latin America, following the ones in Buenos Aires (2009) and Mexico City (2015). The Core Organizing Team (COT) will be composed of members from Chile and the region, with active support from Wikimedia Chile and active editors in Spanish-language Wikimedia projects. — S, O Applications for various committees As announced on the Wikimedia-l mailing list by WMF spokesperson Manavpreet Kaur, the Foundation has opened a new cycle for appointments for three different community bodies: the Affiliations Committee (AffCom), the Ombuds commission (OmbCom), and the Case Review Committee of the Trust and Safety team (CRC). The AffCom advises the WMF Board of Trustees on and provides support for the official recognition of chapters, thematic organizations and user groups around the world. The OmbCom, on behalf of the BoT, investigates complaints about infringements of several key policies on any Wikimedia project. Finally, the CRC reviews appeals for eligible Trust & Safety office actions. Applications for each of these committees have opened on October 30, and can be submitted until December 11, with two conversation hours being currently scheduled for November 5 and November 26. Learn more about how to apply for the appointments on the Meta page. — S, O WikiCup 2025 comes to an end BeanieFan11 at the computer. See related content in this issue's Wikicup report. The 2025 WikiCup has just concluded, as the scores for the tournament's final round have been reported by its joint hosts: Cwmhiraeth, Epicgenius, Frostly, Guerillero and Lee Vilenski. Here are the top 10 finishers: BeanieFan11: 1604 points Gog the Mild: 1075 Arconning: 860 History6042: 804 Sammi Brie: 635 TheDoctorWho: 386 AirshipJungleman29: 373 Thebiguglyalien: 362 Pokelego999: 306 Reconrabbit: 293 Congratulations to each of these editors, and everyone else who participated in the contest! — B Brief notes Administrator elections are around the corner. Administrator elections: Administrator elections are scheduled for December 2025. New criteria for speedy deletion: Two new CSDs – "abandoned user subpages of non-contributors" (U6), and "excessively unrelated non-draft subpages by non-contributors" (U7) (replacing "misuse of Wikipedia as a web host" (U5)) – were adopted after Request for Comment. New administrators: The Signpost welcomes the English Wikipedia's newest administrators, Chaotic Enby and Rjjiii. Articles for Improvement: This week's Article for Improvement is Crop (beginning 10 November) followed by Kidnapping (beginning 17 November). Please be bold in helping improve these articles! Reader comments File:Hindenburg disaster, 1937.jpg Murray Becker/AP pd 300 Kaliper1 Six Wikipedians' thoughts on Grokipedia, and the humanity of it all Contribute   —   Share this  PDF download  E-mail  Mastodon  LinkedIn  Facebook  X (Twitter)  Reddit By Smallbones, Jess Wade, Steven Pruitt, Mary Mark Ockerbloom, Oltrepier, Betty Wills, and JPxG This article includes the opinions of six Wikipedians about Elon Musk's new encyclopedia, Grokipedia. These opinions have been lightly edited for length and grammar and links to articles have been added. On October 27, 2025, Elon Musk, the world's richest person, introduced his encyclopedia, named Grokipedia, which promptly crashed. The next day, it was re-introduced with about 850,000 articles, many of which were taken directly from Wikipedia. Other articles look very similar to Wikipedia articles, presumably because the AI bot that wrote the articles was trained with data from Wikipedia. The mainstream media reacted as if Grokipedia had crashed and burned – see the In the media section of this issue for a summary of the many articles. Of course, this was only version 0.1 of Grokipedia, so it may be too early to condemn it to the ash heap of history. It’s not one of the worst catastrophes in the world. Not yet, anyway. User Rhododendrites has published an academically-oriented paper about the risks of Wikipedia in Tech Policy Press, which we have re-published in the Opinion section. For this column, however, The Signpost asked six Wikipedians about their respective views of Grokipedia. A scientist speaks Wade in 2017. Photo by Dave Guttridge, CC BY-SA 4.0 Jess Wade (GR) is a physicist at Imperial College London and has created over 1,200 articles about women scientists on Wikipedia throughout the years. One of the many wonders of Wikipedia is that it is created by people, for people. Wikipedia pages are concise, carefully cited, and balanced – Grokipedia pages are repetitive, sloppy, and reflect Musk's own political biases. Wikipedia pages are the result of groups of anonymous nerds who value intellectual integrity and precision; if something is presented as a fact, it is likely to have been verified through a bunch of independent sources. The same cannot be said for Grokipedia, which is as accurate as all other Large Language Models; statistical machines optimised on what the internet says is probable, rather than what is actually true. While much of the content on Grokipedia is lifted from Wikipedia, the Grokipedia pages are longer, sloppier, and partisan. This can be seen by comparing the biographies of Meredith Whittaker (GR), Timnit Gebru (GR) and Joy Buolamwini (GR), academics who champion the ethical and transparent development of technology, on both platforms. For each researcher, Grokipedia adds thousands of words on "Controversies and criticisms," hiding its own biases in sentences that start "proponents of …" and "critics have also," presenting one-sided opinions (from interviews and social media posts) as facts. Grokipedia is reality through Musk's lens, manipulated narratives presented in a format that people have come to trust. Where's the opera? Pruitt in 2022. Photo by Fuzheado, CC BY-SA 4.0 Steven Pruitt (GR), known as Ser Amantio di Nicolao on Wikipedia, has made over six million edits and loves Italian opera. He might have ignored Grokipedia if The Signpost hadn't asked for his opinion. We've seen similar post-Wiki sites crop up before, and none of them have had any particular staying power. There's no reason to think that Grokipedia will be any different. I looked up a handful of articles related to early nineteenth-century opera, mostly Italian, including several articles I created – Fanny Eckerlin, Le nozze in villa, Caroline Unger – as well as Isabella Colbran (which I did not). None have been transferred over, indeed, most of the articles I searched for were missing on Grokipedia. I also looked up the article about myself. The article is quite a bit more prolix than that on the English Wikipedia, and not so well-organized. The wording is not identical to the English language Wikipedia. AI has been used to rewrite, or rework, large swaths of it, and introduced a handful of minor errors. The article is quite a bit longer than that on the English Wikipedia, due to the introduction of semi-extraneous, often critical, information. It goes into some detail talking about criticisms of my work, though really nothing concrete: there is an entire section, with several subsections, titled "Criticisms and debates". It's nothing I haven't heard before, but it seems to be stitched together from blogs, forums, and comments. Grokipedia is half-baked at best, and I don't see much of a future for it in its current state. I doubt it will have much staying power without a severe overhaul. Can the machine keep up with us? Vysotsky is a newly retired Dutch academic librarian, who wrote the Serendipity column for The Signpost for about two years. He has contributed over 12,000 photos to Wikimedia Commons and has been editing Wikipedia since 2007. Here he comments on the article about the 2025 Dutch general election (GR): This is Grokipedia's method of operation, according to Grok: "How it works: Articles are automatically generated based on training data, with Grok integration for real-time updates and fact-checking. Users can submit suggestions, but there's no crowdsourcing like Wikipedia." Well, I fact-checked the "real-time updates". I know it’s only Grokipedia v.0.1, but updating the outcome of Dutch national elections shouldn't be too hard for artificial intelligence. It’s data, after all. But no: the Dutch general elections were held on 29 October. The next day, 30 October, the overall outcome was clear: Liberal Democrats (D66) won 26 seats, Nationalist anti-migration (PVV) 26 seats, Conservative Liberal party (VVD) 22 seats, Social Democrats+Greens (GL-PvdA) 20, Christian Democrats 18 seats, ten other parties won the remaining seats. There was only one point unclear: which party had obtained most votes? The Liberal Democrats, or the Nationalist party? That became clear on 1 November: the Liberal Democrats got most votes – and could take the lead in trying to form a new government. English Wikipedia reported the results on 30 October (with 99.7% of the votes counted). As of 4 November, Grokipedia still gives a two-week old prediction ("Projected Seats (Latest Aggregate, Oct 2025)“): PVV 40, GL-PvdA 24, CDA 24, D66 17, VVD 15). On top of the page: "Fact-checked by Grok last month". So much for the speed of fact-checking by Grok. The leader of D66 and projected Prime Minister, Rob Jetten, isn't mentioned in their article at all; his party D66 only once, in the table with predictions. Most importantly: this reveals why we need humans, who are curious and dedicated to topics close to their heart, wanting to report on the matter as soon as official results are made available. Bots are neither curious, nor dedicated. What is in a baby bottle? Mary Mark Ockerbloom has edited Wikipedia for almost 20 years, works as a paid Wikipedian in Residence for educational, scientific, and cultural organizations, and organizes the Philadelphia WikiSalon for new editors and others who wish to develop their editing skills. Imagine you're a mother-to-be wondering whether to use baby bottles to feed expressed milk or formula. Would you rather read a Wikipedia article curated by humans, or an AI-generated one from Grokipedia? Baby bottle (GR) is one of many articles I've substantially rewritten as a Wikipedian in Residence. While working on it, I asked myself, "What information would someone be trying to find when they read this article?" Answering that question requires a deep understanding of our concern as humans. LLMs are unlikely to do this well. They rely on the sources they are given, whether good, bad, or indifferent. They lack the underlying world knowledge that humans use to assess and prioritize information. When I rewrote "Baby bottle", I added over 10,000 words and 154 references. I focused on things parents might want to know, like design considerations, materials, safety and use of baby bottles. Grokipedia's first paragraph describes a baby bottle as having three typical components. Wikipedia cites a fourth, the protective cap used to keep bottles clean and prevent spills. Grokipedia's second paragraph is one rambling sentence that begins with "prehistoric ceramic bottles", jumps to high levels of mortality in the 19th century, and concludes that safety has improved since then. This disjointed treatment of past events reflects LLMs' lack of real-world understanding of time. If you ask an LLM what is happening "today", it looks at millions of statements where the word "today" was used. Its answer may reflect what was said last week or ten years ago. It doesn't understand that "today" has meaning based on when it is asked. Grokipedia's sentences are long, disjointed, and bombastic. Some of it reads like advertising. I'm thankful that Wikipedia editors have worked steadfastly to remove promotionally-toned additions to the "Baby bottle" page. I know which page I'd rather read, if I was a new mom. Grokipedia did something better than Wikipedia User Oltrepier mainly edits the Italian-language Wikipedia and is a Signpost reporter, too. He did find something that Grokipedia has done better than Wikipedia. In fact, the enWiki article on the Detention of Johan Floderus (GR), which Oltrepier himself created in 2023, is getting out of date. The Grokipedia article, including the sources, is definitely more up-to-date than the one on Wikipedia, but it's also verbose and drags on and on. The language used by Grok can be clunky, with strange word choices – for example, "documented cases exceeding 66 victims". Right from the start, the article focuses less on the actual key events involving the EU diplomat Johan Floderus and more on the hostage diplomacy used by Iran in recent years, to the point where it reads more like a political speech than an encyclopedia entry. It definitely doesn't help to feature phrases such as, "This persistence highlights the judiciary's subordination to political imperatives, where legal facades mask bargaining tactics amid the regime's prioritization of ideological control over impartial justice". AI can sometimes help Wills (right) with Tanya Tucker in 2019. Photo by Mike Klem, CC BY-SA 4.0 Betty Wills, known as Atsme on Wikipedia since 2011, also founded Justapedia, a Wikipedia fork which resembles Wikipedia more than Grokipedia. Justapedia welcomes both conservative and liberal editors, according to Wills. With a little help from Grok 4 beta, she summarizes the difference between Wikipedia and Grokipedia as follows: Grokipedia is not human, can't relate to the human condition, and can’t initiate doubt as it's an LLM. Garbage in, garbage out It amplifies the biases in its training data (e.g., overrepresenting Western perspectives). It needs human oversight and prompts like "Analyze your response for bias." It will hallucinate plausible but false information (e.g., inventing non-existent historical events). It puts language fluency over accuracy, with no built-in fact-checking. It cites Quora, The Daily Mail (UK), Britannica, and Biography.com. Like Grok, ChatGPT, and the other AI bots, it will also cite Reddit and Wikipedia. It can't judge notability or importance and doesn't have the level of originality/creativity needed to create the kinds of new articles that will make it competitive with other encyclopedias. Even if it neutralizes what it considers "bias", it's not trustworthy. It doesn't have Wikipedia's New Page Patrol, or even editors helping to keep fake articles out. The Steele dossier article (GR) shows the differences in perspectives between Grokipedia and Wikipedia. Grokipedia tries to remove perceived biases to achieve a "neutral" POV, rather than covering all notable POVs. Consuming AI-generated information is like quelling a growling stomach by downing a Whopper and fries from a drive-thru versus savoring a well-prepared, five course meal in an upscale restaurant. Unless it's too unimportant I am Jake P. X. Gotts (known here by the initials JPxG); as the editor-in-chief of the Signpost, I was reading this article for a pre-publication copyedit and became curious. Well, nobody asked for my opinion, but here it is anyway: Some years ago I wrote the Wikipedia article Powder House Island, here listed as a Featured Article, about an artificial island in the Detroit River built in the late 1880s to circumvent a court order forbidding storing explosives on an island a few hundred feet over. The whole island is barely big enough for a few trees, and its whole history constitutes a handful of events. In the grand scheme of things, it's not a very important place, and they aren't very important events, but it's a neat little place and the story is interesting. It involved substantial amounts of research and analysis. Both my article and the island itself, incidentally: it was made to carry out the construction of a large shipping channel in the Detroit River. This channel served the busy port of a 19th- and 20th-century city bustling with every type of heavy industry. But Detroit's riverfront bustles no more; the world of industry is shaped differently now, and there is no place for it there. I realize that current LLM systems have their limitations − I created WP:LLM − but I can find no solace with my head in the sand. I think it is straightforward to interpolate a trendline on something that sufficed as a party favor five years ago, a parlor trick four years ago, a research topic three years ago, an investment area two years ago, and a major economic influence today. At some point, it is inevitable that the process of 100% manual writing I carried out in this article (and the process I carry out here at the Signpost) will become an antiquated curiosity, as my previous occupations as a manual welder and manual forklift driver are presently becoming, and as the occupations of my forefathers as manual blacksmiths and manual harvesters long ere became. So I went to see what the new computer god thought of Powder House Island, this sphinx of cement and silicon and backpropagation and attention heads — and — “ This page doesn't exist... yet Grokipedia scans millions of pages daily to verify and curate trustworthy information. Return to home ⋅ Search for "Powder House Island" ” I guess it hasn't had time to think everything through yet, which is convenient, because neither have I. Conclusion When the Grok chatbot, Betty Wills, and five other Wikipedians send out much the same message, it's hard to ignore. Grokipedia is extremely flawed, perhaps fatally so, because it's controlled by one biased person with extreme views and because it lacks human understanding and the human touch. Using AI to write an encyclopedia means that the "writers" do not think for themselves, cannot recognize a notable topic or a reliable source, hallucinate "facts", do not question their own writing, and cannot eliminate bias or find a neutral point of view. What's Grokipedia missing? In a word, humanity. Reader comments File:Sir Percevals Vision of the Holy Grail (17a).JPG Frances Darlington (orig.), Storye book (photo) cc-by-sa-4.0/GFDL 1.2 170 160 600 Kaliper1 BeanieFan11, WikiCup victor of 2025, covers the results Contribute   —   Share this  PDF download  E-mail  Mastodon  LinkedIn  Facebook  X (Twitter)  Reddit By BeanieFan11 The WikiCup trophy Related articles wikicup The WikiCup 2023 6 November 2023 The WikiCup 2021 29 November 2021 Lee Vilenski wins the 2020 WikiCup 29 November 2020 Reviewer of the year, WikiCup winner, and the 2019 Wikimedia Summit 1 December 2018 2017 WikiCup round 4 wrap-up 6 September 2017 WikiCup report 4 November 2016 That's it for WikiCup Round 2! 17 May 2016 First round of the WikiCup finishes 9 March 2016 The amorous android and the horsebreeder; WikiCup round two concludes 6 May 2015 Wikicup's third round sees money, space, battleships and more 9 July 2014 2014 WikiCup enters round three 7 May 2014 Full speed ahead for the WikiCup 5 March 2014 WikiCup competition beginning a new year 8 January 2014 Wrestling with featured content 30 October 2013 WikiCup update, and the gardens of Finland 28 August 2013 WikiCup update: full speed ahead! 6 May 2013 2012 WikiCup comes to an end 5 November 2012 Fundraiser ends, content contests, image donation, and more 4 January 2010 Durova wins 2009 WikiCup 2 November 2009 More articles The WikiCup 2023 6 November 2023 The WikiCup 2021 29 November 2021 Lee Vilenski wins the 2020 WikiCup 29 November 2020 Reviewer of the year, WikiCup winner, and the 2019 Wikimedia Summit 1 December 2018 2017 WikiCup round 4 wrap-up 6 September 2017 WikiCup report 4 November 2016 That's it for WikiCup Round 2! 17 May 2016 First round of the WikiCup finishes 9 March 2016 The amorous android and the horsebreeder; WikiCup round two concludes 6 May 2015 Wikicup's third round sees money, space, battleships and more 9 July 2014 2014 WikiCup enters round three 7 May 2014 Full speed ahead for the WikiCup 5 March 2014 WikiCup competition beginning a new year 8 January 2014 Wrestling with featured content 30 October 2013 WikiCup update, and the gardens of Finland 28 August 2013 WikiCup update: full speed ahead! 6 May 2013 2012 WikiCup comes to an end 5 November 2012 Fundraiser ends, content contests, image donation, and more 4 January 2010 Durova wins 2009 WikiCup 2 November 2009 After ten months of writing, editing and reviewing, the annual Wikipedia editing championship, the WikiCup, has finished. Across the course of this high-scoring competition, editors achieved 689 good articles — smashing the all-time record by nearly 75 — close to 1,500 reviews, hundreds of DYKs, a record 78 featured lists, and almost 50 featured articles. After all this, we have a new champion, who is also an old champion. Two years ago, I wrote about my surprise at winning the 2023 WikiCup. After heartbreak in 2024 (see related Signpost coverage), I set out with determination to win my second world championship in 2025. And 10 months later, my goal has been accomplished. Our medalists this year are Arconning in 3rd place, Gog the Mild in 2nd place, and ... BeanieFan11 (myself) in 1st place. Notably, this edition of the WikiCup was the first under major rule changes implemented after the end of last year's Cup. While previously, the competition featured elimination of contestants each round before the highest scorer in the last round was declared victor, under the new rules, the top 16 of each round receive a varying number of "tournament points". This starts at 1 point, for 16th place, and rises up to 256 points, for 1st place. The winner of the tournament is ultimately decided by the participant with the most "tournament points". Top performances BeanieFan11 — This new rule change meant that I couldn't continue my old strategy of barely advancing in rounds 1–4, followed by exploding in round 5! Instead, I exploded across every round, finishing 3rd in round 1, followed by 1st in rounds 2, 3, 4 and 5. Writing primarily about sports (with a sprinkling of obscure politicians), I concluded with a tournament-leading 100 good articles, 147 DYKs, and 20 In the news articles, scoring me 1,604 tournament points, putting me ahead of: Gog the Mild — who placed 2nd with 1,075 tournament points. Gog the Mild led round 1 in scoring, followed by placements of 4th in round 2, 2nd in round 3, and 4th in round 4. Writing about many ancient and medieval wars and treaties, he led the competition with a remarkable 12 featured articles, including four in round 1, as well as posted a tournament-leading nine featured topics. Gog, who was also runner-up in 2020, and myself were the only two contestants to score above 1,000 tournament points. We were followed by: Arconning — the tournament's leader in good article reviews with 68, who wrote mainly about Olympic athletes, totaling 860 tournament points. Outside of the first round, Arconning was top five in each round, including 2nd place in round 4. Close behind was: History6042 — who scored 804 tournament points, to finish 4th. History6042, who wrote about everything from American football players to the Olympics to battles to Væb, was the overall leader in featured article reviews (127), tied for the lead in ITNs (20), and was not far behind Arconning in good article reviews. Sammi Brie — At 635 tournament points is Sammi Brie, a WikiCup veteran, who scored mostly from many good articles about radio and television stations, and is also one of only three to score tournament points in every round (along with myself and Arconning). TheDoctorWho — in 6th is TheDoctorWho, who scored 386 tournament points and led the competition in good topics from writing about Doctor Who. AirshipJungleman29 — last year's champion, who beat the author in 2024 in a photo finish, placed 7th with 373 tournament points, doing work on various topics including Rani of Jhansi and Al-Altan. He also achieved one featured picture, the first by any WikiCup contestant in two years. Thebiguglyalien — scored 362 tournament points to place 8th, with a best performance of 2nd place in round 2. Achieved three featured articles during the competition, including two on U.S. First Ladies. After Thebiguglyalien — Pokelego999, Reconrabbit, Hey man im josh (the featured list winner), vigilantcosmicpenguin, Generalissima (withdrawn), TheNuggeteer and LEvalyn round out the top 15. A big thank you goes out to all the contestants, who greatly improved Wikipedia over the course of this year, as well as to the five judges: Cwmhiraeth (talk · contribs · email), Epicgenius (talk · contribs · email), Frostly (talk · contribs · email), Guerillero (talk · contribs · email) and Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs · email). Sign-ups for the 2026 Cup are open here. Will anyone be able to dethrone Beanie next year? Reader comments File:Bologna_Centrale_railway_station_in_the_1900s_-_4.png Anonymous pd 80 100 700 Kaliper1 Jimbo's book, an argument about genocide, and a train of shame Contribute   —   Share this  PDF download  E-mail  Mastodon  LinkedIn  Facebook  X (Twitter)  Reddit By Bri, Oltrepier, and Smallbones Darker, edgier, and just in time for Halloween. Controversy and book promotion mark a very "Jimbo-centered" month Jimmy Wales asks community to act over alleged bias in 'Gaza genocide' article We've covered controversy related to the Palestine-Israel topic area in the past several editions of this column; this issue's is the imbroglio on Gaza genocide and its talk page, starting from Wikipedia co-founder Jimmy Wales' decision to dive in the conversation. The first of the media to report was Scottish newspaper The National (on November 3), with the headline "Wikipedia row erupts as Jimmy Wales intervenes on 'Gaza genocide' page". They reported that Wales went to the talk page of the aforementioned article – you can read his full message at this link – to ask the community to watch out for POV-related issues after being "asked point-blank in a high profile media interview about the article", and reported that Wales said: "[T]his article ... inappropriately, and contrary to our policy and traditions, takes sides in an ongoing controversy when it ought to accurately and fairly summarize all relevant views." Other media soon followed with the following headlines. "Wikipedia co-founder slams 'Gaza genocide' page over 'egregious' anti-Israel claims" (New York Post, retitled) "Wikipedia's 'Gaza Genocide' article an example of how neutrality needs to be improved, founder says" (The Jerusalem Post) "Wikipedia co-founder joins editing conflict over the Gaza genocide page" (The Verge) "Wikipedia Article on Gaza Genocide Locked Over Alleged Bias" (Gizmodo) "Why did Wikipedia editor block edits to the 'Gaza genocide' page?" (Al Jazeera, retitled) The article by The Verge included more insight into the controversy, featuring broader quotes from Wales' original talk page message and clarifying that the "high profile media interview" he likely referred to was recorded for a recent episode of CNN International Amanpour & Company (aired on November 3), where Walter Isaacson asked Wales about the Gaza Genocide article, and he replied by calling the page "one of the worst Wikipedia entries I've seen in a very long time" and saying it "doesn't live up to our standards of neutrality". The Verge also hosted an official statement by WMF spokeperson Lauren Dickinson, who said that Wales "has discussed multiple Wikipedia articles and topics, expressing his own perspectives and reflections", as "one of hundreds of thousands of editors, all striving to present information, including on contentious topics, in line with Wikipedia's policies". Note that some media have erroneously reported that Wales had locked the Gaza genocide article. Indeed, the page was full protected from editing by anyone other than by administrators for a period of time, but not by Wales: user ScottishFinnishRadish actually did so on October 28, even before Wales himself joined the discussion on November 2. It should also be noted that Wales has not held administrator privileges for some time (see 2023 Signpost coverage). – B and O Also Jimmy Wales keeps on conducting a book blitz Whistle-stop book tour The controversy stemming from Jimmy Wales' on-wiki comments and the aforementioned Amanpour interview came in the midst of a broad and otherwise pretty smooth press coverage for his new book about "how to encourage and harness the good in people"[2] with trust-based online platforms like Wikipedia. Wales was invited to talk about the book in first-class radio and television programs from the UK to the Pacific Northwest, print media – even European ones – and podcasts, including one by Harvard Business Review. An excerpt of the book was published by Time magazine. – B The Grok, the Bot and the Wiki Apologies to Sergio Leone The media coverage of the newly-launched Grokipedia was overwhelming in the period since the Signpost had published its latest issue. Here's just a sampling. Launch, and launch again Grokipedia launches on 27 October, but doesn't keep running...: "Elon Musk launches a Wikipedia rival that extols his own 'vision'" (The Washington Post) launches but went down after about an hour ...Grokipedia launches a second time on 28 October...: "Elon Musk launches Grokipedia to compete with online encyclopedia Wikipedia" (Associated Press); "Elon Musk launches his version of Wikipedia, Grokipedia" (CNN) ...and "nobody cares"?...: "The reason nobody cares about Grokipedia" (Fast Company) ...except Larry Sanger, who says it's bullshit anyway: "Wikipedia's Most Outspoken Critic Says Grokipedia Is Full of AI 'Bullshittery'" (PC Magazine) Head-to-head comparisons to Wikipedia and a thousand pedantic nerds See also: Wikipedia:GROKIPEDIA Head-to-head comparisons to Wikipedia included: "Truth wars: Grokipedia vs. Wikipedia" (Deutsche Welle, video) "What Wikipedia and Grokipedia are saying about each other", (KUOW-FM, Seattle-based radio) "The internet compares Grokipedia and Wikipedia" (Pittsburgh Tribune-Review) "Grokipedia vs Wikipedia: How Elon Musk's Al-generated encyclopaedia holds up against the left-leaning crowd-sourced one" (The Times of India) "Grokipedia vs. Wikipedia: See how Elon Musk's encyclopedia describes 5 hot-button topics" (Business Insider) "Elon Musk's latest venture is less an encyclopedia than an algorithmic mirror of one man's ideology – Grokipedia and the age of AI megalomania", Fast Company contrasts Wikipedia's "accountability through transparency" to Grokipedia's "opacity [taken] to its logical conclusion: a single, unchallengeable version of knowledge generated by an unaccountable machine". Speculative fiction author John Scalzi wrote about his test of the new contender, and had some issues with it repeating rumors about film adaptations by Steven Spielberg and other things. His summary was: [I]f you have to choose a "pedia" to trust, you might choose the one assembled by a bunch of pedantic nerds saying "well, ACTUALLY" to each other until the heat death of the universe, over the one assembled by an LLM controlled by an insecure Nazi salute-throwing billionaire who sprints to reprogram that LLM every time it shares a fact that makes that billionaire angry or sad, or doesn't fit into his Playskool Machiavellian ambitions and plans. In this particular case, a thousand pedantic nerds is much better than a single rich one. — John Scalzi's "Whatever" blog, "A Review of Grokipedia, Using Myself as Test Subject" Sexual anarchy and other amusements "deez nutz" something-or-other An opinion by Robert H. Knight in The Washington Times says Wikipedia promotes sexual anarchy and it will be corrected by Grokipedia. Knight should know a thing or two about correct sexual expression, being credited as the "draftsman" of the Defense of Marriage Act in his Wikipedia biography. Some reviewers, like Knight, apparently loved Grokipedia, whereas some others like 404 Media, didn't. In fact, the latter's co-founder, Jason Koebler, called it "the Antithesis of Everything That Makes Wikipedia Good, Useful, and Human". An opinion published in the Financial Times said it was "an AI-powered, low-quality, barely readable Wikipedia rip-off, with a peculiar penchant for Musk and his worldview", and the editor creating the headline said it was a "major own goal". Writing for The Forward, Mira Fox expressed concerns over Elon Musk's apparent attempt to adjust Grok "to answer in lockstep with his personal beliefs", including the reported incorporation of "anti-semitic and racist dog-whistles" in several pages. In an article for Italian newspaper Domani, Daniele Erler noted how "the absence of human control [over Grokipedia's content] turns the encyclopedia in a continuous re-writing of pre-existing material", and even went so far as to trace similarities between the supposed ideological drive behind the AI-driven portal and fascist ideology, noting how the Italian regime had used the Treccani encyclopedia to "legitimize itself towards the elites". A few media found humor in the situation, including McSweeney's Internet Tendency, who wrote "Hi, it's me, Wikipedia, and I am ready for your apology", summarized by the quote in fictional Wiki-voice, "peer review deez nutz". The Babylon Bee got into the humor of the binary either/or "winner" mentality by inviting readers to spot the differences between some Grokipedia and Wikipedia articles. The Onion had a characteristically straight-faced take that "users report many articles are seemingly adapted straight from Wikipedia" (also noted by Plagiarism Today, but in a not-so-funny way). − B, O Did the article on the "train of shame" go off the rails? Italian Wikipedia faces historical and political controversy For eighteen years, the Italian Wikipedia has hosted an article about an infamous political incident that, actually, might not have happened at all, at least according to a report by fact-checking group Nicoletta Bourbaki. Historical background – Post-WWII Europe and an exodus Bologna Centrale railway station in a historical photograph After World War II, the city of Pula – now a part of the Republic of Croatia – was transfered to Yugoslavia, under the Treaty of Paris between Italy and the Allies of World War II, which had been signed on February 10 and would come into general effect on September 15 of the same year. An exodus of Istrian and Dalmatian Italians, as well as ethnic Slovenes and Croats, from localities including Pula ensued. The so-called Treno della vergogna [it] ("Train of shame") incident supposedly took place at the railway station in Bologna on February 18, 1947, during the exodus. Lino Vivoda (1931 – 2022) was the only known direct witness of the event until new testimonies emerged in the 2000s. According to Vivoda, the train that was carrying the Istrian Italian refugees to La Spezia from the port of Ancona, where they had disembarked from the Toscana steamboat, was allegedly forced to skip a planned stop in Bologna, due to the protests of a group of communist militants who had threatened to start a strike should the refugees have been allowed to stop. Further reconstructions of the "train of shame" incident and articles on the matter from the 1990s onwards have added contradicting details about the time and the context of the event, including accusations of violent attacks and other outrageous actions by communist militants towards the refugees on the train. This last version, despite being dismissed by Vivoda himself, has been perpetuated by several politicians, including the incumbent Italian Prime Minister, Giorgia Meloni, as well as the Minister of Labour, Marina Calderone. It should be noted that the Istrian-Dalmatian exodus is still a highly polarizing topic in Italian politics to this day, as are the foibe massacres – both events are commemorated on February 10 of every year, but have been the subject of negationism and misinformation campaigns from time to time, while right-wing and far-right parties have frequently tried to weaponize their historical impact. Nicoletta Bourbaki's review and the Wikipedia connection Nicoletta Bourbaki are a collective group of individuals writing in Italian, known for their fact-checking activity and specialized in online historical negationism and far-right extremism. They conducted several inquiries involving it.wiki in recent years. Inspired by the French mathematicians who went under the Nicolas Bourbaki pseudonym, the group is directly affiliated to Wu Ming, an elusive, Bologna-based cultural collective influenced by Marxist philosophy and originally founded in 2000, stemming from the wider Luther Blissett community. The key members of this collective are notorious for their literary production, both as Wu Ming and as single authors, as well as their staunch stance against authors' rights – each one of their books are routinely made available for free download a few years after their publication. On October 14, 2025, Nicoletta Bourbaki published a long article (in Italian) on Giap – Wu Ming's own website, named after the Vietnamese general Võ Nguyên Giáp — reviewing the history of the alleged "Train of shame" incident. Their research found no information about demonstrations against the refugees at the time in the archives of the local questura and prefecture. Moreover, throughout the entirety of February 1947, no local journal reported on incidents at the station of Bologna, neither did L’Arena di Pola, a newspaper that reflected the views of the pro-AMG National Liberation Committee (CLN) in Pula in the aftermath of World War II, and later went on to represent the associations of Istrian refugees in Italy. On the other hand, L’Avvenire d’Italia — now simply known as Avvenire — wrote on February 20 that about 2200 refugees from Pula did stop at the station, receiving help and food from a special pontifical commission for assistance. The Italian Wikipedia has not been immune to these culture wars, either, and the article about the "train of shame" itself might be a good example of it. Until the publication of Nicoletta Bourbaki’s analysis, the page — which had first been created back in 2007 — included various examples of decontextualized quotes that could be categorized as original research, as well as three pictures that were falsely attributed to the incident, and rather represented, respectively, a traveling exhibition about the history of the exodus, a Holocaust train and a group of Istrian refugees at the Porta Nuova station in Turin. Following the report's release, several users started editing the page extensively to remove the images and correct the article: among them was Salvatore Talia, a frequent contributor of it.wiki since 2007 and a member of the Nicoletta Bourbaki group, who decided to open an AfD request for the page, stating that "the mere existence of this article [was] a damage [sic] for the credibility of the encyclopedia". The following discussion, which also hosted some heated exchanges between Talia and a few other users — including Presbite and Demiurgo, who both faced criticism for their contributions by Nicoletta Bourbaki in the past — eventually reached an almost SNOW-like consensus towards keeping the article, but while some people accused Talia and the Wu Ming collective as a whole of POV-pushing, others did raise concerns about the overall tone and accuracy of the page. User Bramfab added that removing the whole article could be perceived as "a belated damnatio memoriae" by people who already had strong opinions on the subject. As a result, Talia himself — who did not write the report on the "train of shame", but still declared his COI editing as a member of Nicoletta Bourbaki — and many other Wikipedians have been involved in the re-writing process of the article, which is still ongoing at the time of this issue's publication. Multiple talk page discussions have been opened to discuss a few sources proposed for addition: these included a graduate thesis on "The reception of the Istrian-Dalmatian refugees between history and memory" by University of Padua student Alberto Rosada, which has been cited as a key source by Nicoletta Bourbaki in their analysis, and a recent article by author and high-school teacher Christian Raimo for progressive newspaper Domani (in Italian, behind paywall), where he and historian Eric Gobetti commented on the aforementioned report. – O In brief “ This user has made a substantially high number of edits. ” —  , XTools For a few barnstars more: Steven Pruitt's prolificity on Wikipedia has been noted again, this time by BBC Science Focus (see prior Signpost coverage [links are just to this column; there are more, trust us]). Seth Meyers on Trump handshakes: On October 31, Late Night comedian Seth Meyers highlighted the Wikipedia article about Donald Trump and handshakes while talking about the meeting between the US President and Chinese leader Xi Jinping at APEC South Korea 2025; while mocking Trump, Meyers suggested a new article about Donald Trump and catapults. Daily reminder on Chatbot problems: Italian online newspaper Il Post recently wrote on the concerning traffic drop affecting Wikipedia due to "the impact of generative AI and social media, which we covered on the October 20 issue. Good entries about good hockey rivalries: Writing for The Athletic, Sean McIndoe reported on his trip down the Wiki-rabbit hole of NHL rivalries and his attempt to rank the 24 currently existing pages by their "single weirdest sentence". Funnily enough, McIndoe previously embarked for the same mission for NHL teams (in 2014) and arenas (in 2016). "Big-boy" bias for Google AI in Dutch politics?: Shortly in advance of the 2025 Dutch general election, Fleur Damen reported for Dutch public service broadcaster NOS on research by the University of Amsterdam, which highlighted how Google tended to give more information about larger political parties through its AI Overviews, in response to about 250 different questions on general electoral themes. GroenLinks-PvdA and D66 were the most featured parties in AI-generated responses, and apparently, the website for the latter party – which turned out to be the joint-winner of the election on October 29 – was used as a source for the answers more frequently than the Wikipedia page about the article. Oh, vejo um homem com cultura!: During the October 15 issue of the podcast Assim Vamos Ter de Falar de Outra Maneira ("So We Should Speak Differently"), hosted by Portuguese newspaper Expresso, comedian Ricardo Araújo Pereira said that he browses Wikipedia to "search for the least-visited articles", so he can "acquire knowledge very few other people have". Footnotes: "Question on ASEAN stumped Hegseth at Senate hearing. What is it and why is it important?". AP News. 2025-01-15. Retrieved 2025-07-08. Jimmy Wales, Marketplace interview published October 28, 2025 Do you want to contribute to "In the media" by writing a story or even just an "in brief" item? Edit next week's edition in the Newsroom or leave a tip on the suggestions page. Reader comments File:Genetic laboratory.jpg Roy Perry (Photographer) PD 0 0 450 Kaliper1 Taking stock of the 2024–2025 research grants Contribute   —   Share this  PDF download  E-mail  Mastodon  LinkedIn  Facebook  X (Twitter)  Reddit By Alaexis By Alaexis The Research Fund is a Wikimedia Foundation initiative that supports individuals, groups, and organizations with expertise and interest in conducting research on or about Wikimedia projects. The main funding criterion is whether the grant would result in high-quality and high-impact scholarship. Grant sizes range from $2,000 to 50,000 USD and work must be completed within 12 months. Since the previous batch of grants was issued in summer 2024, those projects should now be finished making this a good time to examine the results. The nine projects in this batch received over $400,000 USD in total funding. Out of 9 projects in that batch, 5 have published their results on Meta Research pages. For the remaining 4 projects without published results, I reached out to the researchers directly and added their responses to the Notes column in the table below. The research is supposed to Contribute to generalizable knowledge that has the potential to improve and expand our understanding of the Wikimedia projects and their impact; Identify and/or evaluate novel technical and socio-technical solutions that can enhance the technology or policy in support of the Wikimedia projects; Inform important social or policy decisions that organized groups within the Wikimedia communities want to make. [Create] datasets of importance for Wikimedia communities (including but not limited to Wikimedia research communities). Notable findings Daniel Baránek and Veronika Kršková compared the coverage of Wikidata with that of a Czech biographical dictionary. They found that more than a quarter of dictionary entries were missing from Wikidata (and likely from Wikipedia as well). Fascinatingly, further research showed that the gap reflected different notions of notability now and in the past. Many missing persons were principals and professors who played major roles during nationalist tensions in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Brett Buttliere, Matt Vetter and Sage Ross tried to solve the problem of low academic engagement on Wikipedia. They identified reasons why scholars do not edit Wikipedia: academic contributions to Wikipedia aren't measured and valued in the academic community and there is general skepticism about the reliability of Wikipedia. We all want more experts on Wikipedia, so it's good to have more data about the problem. See the Research Page for the solutions that the authors proposed and implemented. Personally, I'd be very interested in the results of the AI tagging for Commons initiative, as well as in the two projects addressing the gender gap. Unfortunately, their results were unavailable as of October 18. Gaps and concerns While the Research Fund supports important work, several issues emerged from this batch: Incomplete reporting: 4 out of 9 projects have not published results on Meta, even though the grant period has ended. Unpublished datasets: some projects that could benefit the community haven't shared their underlying data. For example, the biographical dictionaries comparison identified specific gaps in Wikidata coverage, but the dataset of missing entries hasn't been published (happy to be corrected if I'm wrong). Uncertain scholarly impact: the fund aims to support "high-quality and high-impact scholarship," but measuring impact is challenging, especially for research generating "generalizable knowledge" rather than artifacts that Wikipedians can use right away. As far as I can tell, none of these projects have yet resulted in peer-reviewed publications. Table Project name Link to programs page Link to research page Results Amount, USD Notes Wikidata for the People of Africa [1] [2] yes 40,000 Development of a training program for teachers to use Wikipedia as a resource for collaborative learning and the development of skills for digital citizenship [3] [4] no 50,000 Results expected in December 2025 Bridging the Gap Between Wikipedians and Scientists with Terminology-Aware Translation: A Case Study in Turkish [5] [6] yes 50,000 Wikimedia versus traditional biographical encyclopedias. Overlaps, gaps, quality and future possibilities [7] [8] yes 50,000 System Design for Increasing Adoption of AI-Assisted Image Tagging in Wikimedia Commons [9] [10] no 49,500 Data collected by December 2024 Investigating Neurodivergent Wikimedian Experiences [11] [12] yes 22,000 An open access publication is in the works Developing Wikimedia Impact Metrics as a Sociotechnical Solution for Encouraging Funder/ Academic Engagement [13] [14] yes 42,000 Cover Women [15] [16] no 32,000 Addressing Wikipedia's Gender Gaps Through Social Media Ads [17] [18] no 30,000 At the data collection phase in October 2025 Briefly See the page of the monthly Wikimedia Research Showcase for videos and slides of past presentations. Reader comments File:2025-10-28 - Grokipedia homepage.svg S.J.Ray pd 70 20 450 Kaliper1 With Grokipedia, top-down control of knowledge is new again Contribute   —   Share this  PDF download  E-mail  Mastodon  LinkedIn  Facebook  X (Twitter)  Reddit By Rhododendrites This piece was first published by Tech Policy Press on November 3, 2025, with a CC BY-SA 4.0 license. Grokipedia, the AI-generated encyclopedia owned by Elon Musk's xAI, went live on October 27. It is positioned as, first and foremost, an ideological foil to Wikipedia, which for years has been the subject of escalating criticism by right-wing media in general and Musk in particular. With Grokipedia, Musk wants to produce something he sees as more neutral. Much has already been written about the character of Grokipedia’s content. This essay aims to explore the nature of the project and its version of neutrality, as compared to Wikipedia. Technologically, it is one of many experiments designed to replace human-generated writing with LLMs; conceptually, it is less a successor to Wikipedia than a return to an older model of producing officially sanctioned knowledge. Wikipedia and neutrality Nearly every encyclopedia asserts some version of "neutrality." Wikipedia's definition is unusual: its "neutral point of view" policy aims not to pursue some Platonic ideal of balance or objectivity, but rather a faithful and proportional summary of what the best available sources say about a subject. Original ideas, reporting, and analysis on the part of its contributors are not allowed. Casting volunteers as "editors" and not "authors" is part of how "an encyclopedia that anyone can edit" is possible – by moving the locus of dispute from truth itself to which sources to use and how to incorporate them. As with the rest of Wikipedia, neutrality is less a perfect state than a continuously negotiated process wherein disputes are expected and common. While neutrality and sourcing discussions are often deeply fraught, with complicated histories that blur lines of reliability and result in lengthy discussions, they're also constructive – a 2019 study in Nature found that articles with many such conflicts tended to be higher quality in general. On which sources to use, Wikipedia's guideline about identifying "reliable sources" details its priorities: a reputation for fact-checking, accuracy, issuing corrections, editorial oversight, separating facts and opinions, no compromising connection to the subject, and other traditional markers of information literacy that librarians have taught to students and researchers for more than a century. Secondary and tertiary sources are preferred, deferring to them for the task of vetting and interpreting primary sources. Independent subjects are also preferred for any non-trivial claim, as article subjects have a hard time writing about themselves objectively. Ideological orientation is not a factor except insofar as narrative drive affects this list of priorities. Both of the following statements can align with Wikipedia's definition of a "reliable source," even though they're opposed: "unicorns aren't real but I wish they were;" "unicorns aren't real and I'm glad they aren't." Either source would take priority over a source that claims "unicorns are real," regardless of the author's pro- or anti-unicorn sentiment. Primarying Wikipedia However, sourcing is also at the center, implicitly or explicitly, of many allegations that Wikipedia is not actually neutral. Some of these claims focus on Wikipedia's "perennial sources list", which includes dozens of sources whose reliability is frequently discussed, highlighted according to the outcomes of those discussions. The idea is to be able to point to a central page where someone can find links and summaries of past discussions rather than have volunteers explain for the umpteenth time why e.g. InfoWars is not a reliable source. I agree with criticism of this page to the extent it has given rise to a genre of source classification discussion applied not just to extreme cases like InfoWars but to sources that require some nuance, indirectly short-circuiting debates that should take place on a case-by-case basis. But even if the list were to be deleted altogether, it wouldn't turn unreliable sources (according to the guideline) into reliable ones; it would just require more of those debates to play out rather than let someone point to a line in a table. There's an optics argument to be had, too: it's not that there aren't more unreliable right-wing sources than left-wing sources; it's just that people try to use unreliable right-wing sources more frequently in Wikipedia articles. But in large part, allegations of bias are a straightforward extension of a decades-old argument: that academia, science, mainstream media, etc. are broadly biased towards the left and/or untrustworthy. Whether through Rush Limbaugh's "four corners of deceit" (government was the fourth corner) or some other articulation, the frame is well established. The extent to which it is true is outside the scope of this essay, but anyone who holds this view will inevitably see that bias in Wikipedia, which summarizes academia, science, and media. Musk made this point earlier this year when he called Wikipedia "an extension of legacy media propaganda". It should not be surprising, then, that the sourcing used by Grokipedia is often radically different from Wikipedia's. It's not clear how reliably Grok will explain its own internal processes, but it should at least communicate the way its developers want Grokipedia to be seen. So I asked it to explain the way it prioritizes sources for different kinds of content, and it provided a table that's worth including here; see below. The most obvious trend is its preference on most topics for primary, self-published and official sources like verified X users' social media posts and government documents. These are put on par with or at higher priority than peer-reviewed journal articles, depending on the category. The only examples it provides among high-priority sources, apart from X users, are ArXiv (itself contending with an influx of LLM content) and PubMed for scientific/technical topics and Kremlin.ru for historical events. Some of Wikipedia's fiercest critics contend that its version of neutrality unfairly endorses "Establishment" views on issues like vaccines, climate change, or the results of the 2020 US Presidential election, omitting minority positions or describing them in unfavorable terms. If many people hold a view, the argument goes, it is worth presenting on its own terms rather than deciding one set of sources is better than another. Grokipedia appears to align with this perspective, as its low-priority source criteria explains that it is sensitized to "emotional bias," labels like "pseudoscience," and anything that doesn't present alternative perspectives. There is another characteristic of the sourcing that will be immediately apparent to anyone who has tried to do a literature review on a subject using a chatbot: it relies on sources available on the open web (or sources widely described by sources available on the open web). Commercial sites with good search engine optimization, apparent content farms, and personal blogs appear alongside traditional media sources. Grok can find extant text on the web faster than Wikipedia's human editors, but does it have access to the books and articles that aren't internet-accessible? A return to the old way All of this is ultimately subordinate to Grokipedia's unavoidable prime directive of neutrality: neutrality is whatever Elon Musk says is neutral. According to The New York Times, Musk has been directly involved with Grok's development, nudging it to the right on several issues. Not only does Grokipedia extoll Musk's personal worldviews, but, as pointed out by many of the news articles about the project, it "breathlessly" promotes him and his products. At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter what the training data is, how it's weighted, how it negotiates points of view, etc. when the last step is necessarily some sort of post-processing/output filtering/reranking intervention based on Musk's final word. For much of Wikipedia's history, journalists and academics have enjoyed comparing it to historical encyclopedias like the Natural History, the Encyclopédie, and of course Encyclopaedia Britannica. Sometimes, like with Jim Giles' influential 2005 Nature study, it's to compare their factual accuracy, but usually it's to look at their structural and conceptual differences: Wikipedia is larger; Wikipedia is online; Wikipedia is accessible for free by anyone with an internet connection; Wikipedia is editable by anyone. But the most important distinction frequently gets lost: unlike nearly all historic encyclopedias, Wikipedia doesn't need anyone's permission to publish. There is no ideological test for participation or publication. There is no emperor, bishop, investor, or CEO who must approve of ideas expressed within, and there is no owner. Whether due to the great expense of producing, copying, and distributing voluminous works or because of tight control that structures of governance have exerted on sources of knowledge, encyclopedists as far back as Pliny the Elder, in the first century AD, have always needed the support and consent of powerful people (Pliny had relationships with both emperor Vespasian and emperor Titus) in order for their work to be read. In this way, while Grokipedia is technologically new, with enthusiasm in some ways reminiscent of Wikipedia's early days, its epistemic hierarchy is more old-fashioned. Who is the audience? That brings me to my biggest question: who is Grokipedia for, other than its owner? How big is the market for corporate, for-profit general knowledge sources that promote their own products and strictly adhere to the views of a billionaire founder? I know that if any corporation/billionaire has that kind of caché, built-in audience, and resources for a sustained push, it's X/Musk. But what happens when other CEOs decide they don't like their article on Wikipedia or Grokipedia and get into the encyclopedia game? McDonaldspedia and BritishPetroleumpedia vie with Grok for dominance? Beyond the corporate nature of Grokipedia, my impression is that most people are not excited to completely trade human-created knowledge sources for fully machine-generated ones. The format of Grokipedia obscures that it is fundamentally just structured large language model (LLM)-generation, and thus succeeds and fails in similar ways as any other chatbot query, trading the limitations of human judgment for the limitations of LLMs. Given how much AI resentment has been bubbling up in various corners of the internet, I'm frankly surprised "Slopipedia" wasn't trending from launch. For better or worse, and I increasingly think it's for the better, Wikipedia has developed something of an allergy to AI in general and chatbots in particular. Don't use them to write articles, don't use them to illustrate articles, don't use them to prepare arguments on talk pages, etc., or risk getting banned. There are a handful of non-LLM AI uses, but Wikipedia is human-centric to such an extent that it may miss opportunities to scale labor and improve user experience. Perhaps Wikipedians are a potential audience. Even if, as argued by 404 Media's Jason Koebler, Grokipedia "is not a 'Wikipedia competitor' [but] a fully robotic regurgitation machine," its experiments in LLM-based encyclopedism may be valuable as an example of what Wikipedia could do if it wanted to. Does Grokipedia shed any light on particular topics that are better suited to LLM-generation than others? Does it confirm Wikipedia's status quo that LLMs have no business writing articles at all? The most instructive experiment may be the opening up of primary and self-published sources for use in articles. There is no shortage of companies, influencers, and politicians interested in having their own words used to craft an encyclopedia article about them. That doesn't usually serve a general reader very well, but the downside is it omits a lot of potentially useful detail, too. Take a journalist, for example. There's not a lot of writing about journalists, but a policy that welcomes primary and self-published sources could draw information about the person and their work from their own writing, and it would remain more up to date than articles that have to wait for a secondary source. What else is worth comparing? Conclusion Wikipedia, for all its many flaws, has always aimed to "set knowledge free" – by giving volunteers the ability to create and apply principles from the bottom-up, using technology to create a knowledge resource as well as to give it away for free, based on the belief that free knowledge is empowering. Opinions will vary about how successful it has been and where its blind spots are, but it's hard to dispute its idealism. In contrast, Grokipedia's defining feature as an encyclopedic project is the use of technological power to re-exert top-down authority over information and knowledge. Table generated by Grok in response to a query about how Grokipedia prioritizes sources. Article Type High-Priority Sources Medium-Priority Sources Low-Priority or Penalized Sources Rationale Historical Events (e.g., WWII, Russian invasion of Ukraine) Primary documents (e.g., official records, declassified archives like Kremlin.ru for direct perspectives); peer-reviewed academic papers; verified public databases. Real-time X posts and eyewitness accounts (cross-verified for authenticity); official government filings. Secondary media interpretations (e.g., opinion-heavy articles from outlets like NYT or CNN if they lack diverse backing); sources with flagged contradictions or emotional bias. Emphasizes verifiable facts and multiple viewpoints to avoid narrative spin; critiques note occasional over-reliance on state-affiliated sites for balance, but flags them if un corroborated. Scientific/Technical Topics (e.g., physics Nobel, acupuncture) Peer-reviewed journals (e.g., via ArXiv, PubMed); official experimental data; academic databases. Verified publisher outputs; public scientific records. Non-peer-reviewed blogs or media summaries; sources dismissing topics as "pseudoscience" without evidence. Balances established consensus with emerging evidence; adds context to counter outright dismissal, promoting inference over ideology. Political/Contemporary Issues (e.g., elections, social movements like the 1619 Project) Official records (e.g., election results, court filings); diverse primary viewpoints from all stakeholders; real-time X data for public sentiment. Academic analyses; balanced reports from varied outlets (e.g., including conservative sources like Fox News if evidence-based). Consensus-driven secondary sources with detected bias (e.g., Wikipedia's "reliable sources" list favoring MSNBC over Fox); propaganda-flagged media lacking source diversity. Aims for data-driven neutrality to counter perceived left-leaning tilts in traditional encyclopedias; classifies info as true/false/partially true and injects missing context. Biographical Entries (e.g., Elon Musk, political figures) Primary self-published facts (e.g., verified X posts, personal filings); official biographies from diverse records. Peer-reviewed profiles; balanced media from multiple angles. Heavily editorialized pieces (e.g., those omitting key details like bot controversies in tech exec bios). Highlights "innovative" aspects while including scrutiny, but critics observe alignment with Musk's views (e.g., downplaying rivals). Controversial/Social Topics (e.g., conspiracy theories, slavery justifications) Primary historical documents; academic papers with evidence; diverse stakeholder accounts. Verified databases; real-time verified discussions on X. Sources promoting unverified claims (e.g., framing theories as "occurring" without proof); biased outlets lacking counter-perspectives. Seeks to "expose and stop falsehoods" via AI classification, but early critiques highlight promotion of right-wing frames (e.g., economic focus over atrocities). Reader comments File:Anfield, 7 December 2013.jpg Ruaraidh Gillies CC BY-SA 2.0 55 0 411 Kaliper1 Struway Contribute   —   Share this  PDF download  E-mail  Mastodon  LinkedIn  Facebook  X (Twitter)  Reddit By Iggy the Swan Struway + Struway2 An editor who maintained association football articles, especially Birmingham City F.C. related, for 18 years, making a total of approximately 150,000 edits by both accounts. Starting in March 2007, until mid-June that year, Struway edited using their original account before encountering a login problem after a short time gap. After that, on 1 July 2007, the second and most-used account Struway2 was created which was used permanently until their final edit in June 2025. After a period of illness during 2025, they'd passed away on 3 October per the health notice issued on Struway2's user and user talk pages. They worked on one featured article — 1956 FA Cup final — and ten featured lists, as well as 23 Good Articles, and 59 listed at Did You Know. Reader comments File:Kiss at backstage (1975) (Ace Frehley).jpg Casablanca Records pd 300 Kaliper1 The documentaried, the disowned, the deceased, Diwali and the Dodgers Contribute   —   Share this  PDF download  E-mail  Mastodon  LinkedIn  Facebook  X (Twitter)  Reddit By Igordebraga, Shuipzv3, GeorgeBailey and CAWylie This traffic report is adapted from the Top 25 Report, prepared with commentary by Igordebraga, Shuipzv3, GeorgeBailey and CAWylie. Dying, everyone's reminded (October 12 to 18) Rank Article Class Views Image Notes/about 1 Ed Gein 5,062,577 For the third consecutive week, we see the top slot taken by the serial killer played by Charlie Hunnam on a Netflix show (#10). Gein was a schizophrenic man who, after the death of his mother, created a "woman suit" out of human skin that he wore to pretend to be her, and also had an extensive collection of body parts, mostly taken from graveyards along with two women he killed. The horrific stories were the basis for a few fictional stories, and supposedly inspired real killers, as well. 2 Diane Keaton 4,935,512 Tributes continue to arise about this Academy Award-winning actress, who died from bacterial pneumonia on October 11, at age 79. Director Woody Allen, with whom she frequently collaborated, said she was "unlike anyone the planet has experienced or is unlikely to ever see again." 3 Ian Watkins (Lostprophets singer) 1,995,317 While fronting the fairly successful alternative rock band Lostprophets, this Welsh singer already had conflicts with his bandmates due to drug abuse, with bassist Stuart Richardson saying he once beat Watkins for not showing up for a concert. Then, he was arrested for appalling sex crimes, mostly involving children, leading to Lostprophets' music being brushed aside and the other members washing their hands of him – they would then found a new band, called No Devotion. Guitarist Lee Gaze even said that because Watkins tarnished Lostprophets so badly, he can't even be proud of his past accomplishments, never mind listen to their music, and added that had the band known about said crimes, they would have killed Watkins on the spot. Instead, he served half of a 24-year prison sentence, before another inmate stabbed him to death on October 11. 4 D'Angelo 1,809,843 Born Michael Eugene Archer, this R&B musician was widely regarded as a pioneer of neo-soul, and surprisingly followed his most successful single, 2000's "Untitled (How Does It Feel)" – particularly notable for a video featuring a naked and muscular D'Angelo – with personal struggles and over a decade out of the public eye. While working on his fourth studio album, D'Angelo died of pancreatic cancer on October 14, at the age of 51. 5 Ace Frehley 1,458,936 Paul Daniel "Ace" Frehley was best known as the Spaceman or "Space Ace" of Kiss, for which he designed the famous logo, provided many epic guitar riffs and solos (along with the occasional composition and even a successful solo number in "New York Groove"), and in concert played with special guitars that spewed smoke or pyrotechnics. He left the band in 1981, amidst creative differences and alcoholism (he even drank perfume once!), and had a brief reunion between 1996 and 2001, after which Kiss spent the next two decades with another guitarist wearing the Spaceman make-up and costume. Frehley fell in his home studio in September, forcing him to cancel an upcoming tour and go to the hospital, where a brain bleed sent him to a ventilator before his family decided to cut his life support on October 16, ending Frehley's life at 74. 6 Kantara: Chapter 1 1,324,579 India can't get enough of this Sandalwood epic mythological action film, which is now a lucky 13th in the country's highest-grossing films, while also being the year's top movie and second overall for Kannada cinema, behind only KGF: Chapter 2. 7 Deaths in 2025 1,073,235 Let's put one of #5's songs: I'm losing power and I don't know why Not really sure if I'll live or die I wanna leave but I can't get away... 8 6-7 (meme) 1,044,790 6-7 at 8, makes more sense than the meme itself. 9 2026 FIFA World Cup qualification 992,401 27 of the 48 teams that will play football all over North America have been determined. The week had the eight African direct spots (the small archipelago of Cape Verde will have their World Cup debut, while other teams will take part in at least their fourth tournament), England becoming the first qualified European, and Asia giving spots to both Saudi Arabia (whose petrodollars made them become hosts of the 2034 edition) and Qatar (who hosted the last tournament, and may try to redeem from the shame of losing all three games at said World Cup). 10 Monster: The Ed Gein Story 972,561 The third season of a Netflix anthology focusing on murderers is about #1. Again, it shot up the streamer's most viewed list while not winning most reviewers over, due to its approach playing fast and loose with history (such as adding more victims to Gein's body count, including his brother), adding much sexualization along with the graphic violence, and having too many detours and subplots. The man in the dark will bring another attack (October 19 to 25) Rank Article Class Views Image Notes/about 1 Ed Gein 2,605,127 We finish off a whole month with this serial killer still at the top spot. The Netflix show about him shows the true and disgusting parts of this story, like grave-robbing and creating objects out of human skin, but makes up a lot of stuff. Even the promotional images have one such thing, with Gein wielding a chainsaw solely because he was an influence in creating Leatherface. 2 Daniel Naroditsky 1,286,094 Naroditsky was an American chess grandmaster who attained the title at the age of 17, and was a specialist in fast chess. He also posted educational chess content on his YouTube channel, was a popular chess streamer on Twitch, and authored two books. For more than a year, Naroditsky was one of several players accused by former world champion Vladimir Kramnik of cheating in online chess, without substantial evidence, a claim that Naroditsky rejected. Naroditsky was found dead in his home on October 19, with police not suspecting foul play. In the aftermath, the International Chess Federation announced it will investigate Kramnik's campaign. 3 ChatGPT 1,134,634 The popular chatbot continues to make headlines, especially as the release of OpenAI's Sora 2 towards the end of last month has assisted users in producing a plethora of odd videos featuring notable living and dead celebrities. 4 Diwali 1,079,454 Celebrations for the Hindu festival of lights took place this year from October 18 to 22. 5 6-7 (meme) 1,059,763 This is the fifth week straight that this meme's page popularized by a Skrilla song has made the report. One can only guess that many people are still trying to figure out its meaning. 6 Deaths in 2025 1,044,156 Life's just a blast, it's moving really fast Better stay on top or life will kick you in the ass 7 Killing of Ajike Owens 977,683 On June 2, 2023 in Ocala, Florida, Owens was shot and killed by her neighbor, Susan Lorincz, while attempting to talk to Lorincz on her front porch. There had been ongoing racial disputes between the respective ladies' children and, at times, themselves. Lorincz was convicted of manslaughter by firearm (according to authorities, Florida's stand-your-ground law did not apply here) and sentenced to ten years of imprisonment. The case was made into a documentary, now playing on Netflix. 8 Kantara: Chapter 1 936,472 The highest-grossing Indian film of the year, an epic mythological action film revolving around an ancestral conflict in pre-colonial coastal Karnataka, that in the original movie is still raging in the 1970s and 1990s. 9 Virginia Giuffre 879,206 Nobody's Girl, the memoir of this American and Australian advocate of sexual trafficking survivors, who died by suicide back in April this year, was published on October 21. In the book, Giuffre described the abuse she was subjected to by Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, and also alleged sexual encounters with men including Prince Andrew and a "well-known prime minister". Days before the publication of the book, Prince Andrew announced he will no longer use his titles and honors, with the exception of "prince"; the Metropolitan Police also announced an investigation into claims the prince had instructed one of his taxpayer-funded bodyguards to investigate Giuffre and find compromising material. 10 Sam Rivers (bassist) 785,587 After meeting Fred Durst in Jacksonville, this musician helped form Limp Bizkit, to which he brought his drummer friend John Otto – both were eclipsed by the ever-controversial Durst and peculiar guitarist Wes Borland, but were considered a serviceable rhythm section even if the band's music was derided. Already having a history of alcoholism that led to a liver transplantation, Rivers died at 48 of a cardiac arrest. I'll split you to the bone, help set you free (October 26 to November 1) Rank Article Class Views Image Notes/about 1 Ed Gein 1,422,114 The third season of Monster repeats the first in making a murderer top this list for five weeks straight – the fifth article to do so, and aside from the 2022 FIFA World Cup, it's four terrible things: namely, two killers, a nuclear disaster chronicled by HBO, and the pandemic. Though thankfully, Ed Gein will not repeat Jeffrey Dahmer in being the year's top article, being far from the probable top two of Charlie Kirk and that list that doesn't leave down there at #5. 2 Shohei Ohtani 1,171,233 The Japanese superstar of the Los Angeles Dodgers had a World Series for the ages. Had he finished the Dodgers' back-to-back titles sooner, he might've even topped this week, but game 7 against the Toronto Blue Jays was a prolonged affair that only ended in the 11th inning, thus entering the Sunday right after the Report's week. 3 6-7 (meme) 1,083,563 People continue to search for the supposed meaning of the meme spawned by rapper Skrilla. Variants of the meme including other numbers, like 41 and 61, are making their way into the student brainrot lexicon as well. 4 A House of Dynamite 1,061,524 Netflix added the latest production of Academy Award-winning director Kathryn Bigelow, an apocalyptic political thriller about the U.S. Government trying to respond to a nuclear launch. 5 Deaths in 2025 1,023,085 Everything dies, baby, that's a fact But maybe everything that dies someday comes back... 6 It – Welcome to Derry 961,789 It and It Chapter Two made over $1 billion worldwide, so their director Andy Muschetti decided to delve back into the story created by Stephen King for an HBO show that will air in eight separate episodes on Sundays. The book and its adaptations showed that the shapeshifting monstruosity who mostly manifests as the clown Pennywise (still played by Bill Skarsgard) attacks the small city of Derry every 27 years, so the series goes back from It's appearance in the movie's 1989 to the previous one in 1962, with plans for seasons set in 1935 and 1908. 7 Andrew Mountbatten Windsor 865,868 Until Saturday, the page was Prince Andrew. But then, the controversy regarding the brother of King Charles III being associated with Jeffrey Epstein and Virginia Giuffre, who alledged she had been sex trafficked to Windsor, made Buckingham Palace initiate a process to remove Andrew's style, titles and honours, and thus the article was renamed as well. 8 Zohran Mamdani 830,327 The DSA state assemblymember from Astoria, Queens continued to make headlines as he entered the final days of an animated campaign against Curtis Sliwa and Andrew Cuomo to win the 2025 New York City mayoral election. The 34-year-old was seen as the favorite to win — and eventually did. 9 Women's Cricket World Cup 778,194 Women's cricket can get as much attention as the men, it seems, especially when it has India women's national cricket team winning their first title of the quadrennial tournament during the lucky 13th edition they hosted, making their home crowd at the DY Patil Stadium in Navi Mumbai go nuts. 10 Nick Mangold 758,824 The veteran NFL center died of complications from a kidney disease on October 25, aged 41. He spent his entire lengthy professional career as a member of the New York Jets. Exclusions These lists exclude the Wikipedia main page, non-article pages (such as redlinks), and anomalous entries (such as DDoS attacks or likely automated views). 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Moh. Ilyas family line

You might have seen the infobox. Yes, you read it right. I am a direct descendant of Prince Diponegoro. My branch traces through the Sokaraja line of the Naqshbandiyah Khalidiyah Mujaddadiyah: from KH Ali Dipowongso in Makkah to KH Moh Ilyas in Sokaraja, then through the successive caretakers of that pesantren tradition. The line is named as the Moh. Ilyas great family line. The chain begins with Kanjeng Sultan Hamengkubuwono III of the Keraton Ngayogyakarta Hadiningrat, followed by his son and heir in struggle, Bendara Pangeran Harya (BPA) Prince Diponegoro, the National Hero.

Kyai Haji Raden Mas Muhammad Ilyas Ziarah kubur site in Sokaraja, Banyumas Central Java, Indonesia

Prince Diponegoro first married at the age of 27. He wed Ayu Retno Madubrongto, a religious teacher and the second daughter of Kiai Gede Dadapan. From this union, he was blessed with a son, Putra Diponegoro II.^[1] From him the line continues on from Kanjeng Pangeran Adipati (KPA) Diponegoro II of Diponingrat, then to Kyai Haji Ali Dipowongso, who was active and studied deeply in Mekkah,^[2][3] and then to Kyai Haji Raden Mas Moh. Ilyas bin Ali Dipowongso, the founder of the Tarekat Naqsyabandiyah Mujaddadiyah in Sokaraja.^[4][5] After him, the mantle passed to Kyai Haji Raden Affandi bin Ilyas, the second mursyid, who passed away on 05 January 1916, followed by Kyai Haji Raden Rifai bin Affandi, the third mursyid, who passed away on 4 August 1968 (10 Jumadil Awal 1388 H), and then to Kyai Haji Raden Abdulsalam bin Rifai, the fourth mursyid, who passed away on 12 May 2014 (12 Rajab 1388 H).^[6] The leadership then continued with Kyai Haji Raden Ir. Torik Arie Ghuzdiwan,^[7] who was appointed as the sixth mursyid in May 2014. Kyai Haji Raden Abdulsalam bin Rifai had a younger sister, who is my grandmother. She married a wonderful gentleman who is a veteran of the Indonesian National Revolution. Though my ancestor historically comes part of the Naqshbandiyah sufi order which follows the Tareqat of Abu Bakr.^[8] I come from a Nahdlatul Ulama family under the Ash'ari School, though I practice Islam fairly secularly and liberally as schooled following Azharite thought under the adoption of the pluralistic and moderatic Islam Nusantara form. This does not not shape my view, I just like that piece of history. I follow WP:NPOV strictly.

Family tree of Diponegoro II, Moh. Ilyas great family line

Ancestors of Kaliper1

2. Father 320. B.P.A. Pangeran Diponegoro (1785–1855, National Hero) 160. K.P.A. Diponegoro II (Diponingrat) 80. K.H. Ali Dipowongso (studied/served in Makkah) 40. K.H.R. Moh. Ilyas bin Ali Dipowongso — founder of Thariqah Naqsyabandiyah Mujaddadiyah Sokaraja 20. K.H.R. Affandi bin Ilyas (Mursyid II) 10. K.H.R. Rifai bin Affandi (Mursyid IV, †1388 H) 5. Grandmother — daughter of K.H.R. Rifai bin Affandi (Mursyid IV), sister of K.H.R. Abdulsalam bin Rifai (Mursyid V) 1. Me

So when I say I am from the Diponegoro family, I mean I carry a small piece of that history into the present. I try to honor it in practical ways. Study with care. Work with integrity. If I succeed, it will not be because of who my ancestors were, but because I tried to live up to what they taught.

References

1. "Perempuan-perempuan di Hidup Pangeran Diponegoro". Kumparan.com (in Indonesian). Retrieved 2020-03-21.
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