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On Infobox philosopher

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Hi @Zackmann08, I saw your recent edits on the pages of philosophers where you have performed "deletion of unknown parameters" as per Category:Pages using infobox philosopher with unknown parameters. Just wanted to say that by using the template infobox academic, the influences, influencing etc. parameters return and there's no need to delete them. A procedure to which I see no downside. Infobox philosopher has a lot of problems anyways. Although one or two other parameters get hidden out, for which one should keep an eye out. Best. Xpander (talk) 16:35, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for pointing this out. I have corrected the infobox and removed the unsupported parameter. Greg233323 (talk) 07:22, 2 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Professional wrestler infobox

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Hey, thanks for the work you put into the birth/death date template. Regarding your implementation of it into Template:Infobox professional wrestler, there was an important distinction in that infobox separating "Birth name" from the other, traditional "Born" fields that are typically in other person infoboxes. This was to clearly distinguish between the "real" names of the performers and their "ring names", which are listed further down in the infobox, and was established by consensus. Could you please restore that specific format to how it was before? Thank you. Prefall 21:54, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gotcha. Good to know. I’ll take care of that. —Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 21:54, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Prefall:  Done —Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 21:56, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nonexistent template

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Three articles for you to tidy at this link. A little scripting error of some kind? – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:50, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WOWWWW. How did I not see that?! Fixed em. Thanks! - Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 01:53, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox person/death etc. causing misplaced span tags (only where syntax is invalid?)

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See this growing error list. I don't have time to look at them right now, but it is possible that they are all due to improperly embedded child infoboxes, like this one. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:26, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Jonesey95: So I’m going to be honest… I’ve never taken the time to learn/understand Lint errors. I have no idea what that list you linked to means or any clue how to resolve the associated issues. Can you either walk me through it a bit or point me to a good resource? If I am introducing errors I ABSOLUTELY want to resolve them… —Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 02:52, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You aren't introducing errors. You are bringing to light errors other editors have caused. Gonnym (talk) 09:13, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonnym: that makes me feel better. All the same if I can help, let me know. —Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 09:16, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Then pretty much what Jonesey95's edit added. Either use |module= (like needed in Xzibit), see if the cause of death has a valid parameter somewhere (like needed in Irmfried Eberl; it seems the template actually has |death_cause= so that should be used directly)) or fix the issue (sometimes the next parameter is missing a pipe which causes an error). Gonnym (talk) 09:36, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In all of the templates in that list that I have checked, a child template has been inserted directly into a parameter instead of being placed in |module=. This is always an error, but it can hide from reports (and sometimes display OK, sometimes not) if the parameter is processed as plain text. If it is wrapped in span tags, you end up with misnested tags (one of the Linter errors), where a span tag starts in one table cell and ends in another table cell. The fix for these templates is to use the |module= parameter properly or to eliminate the child infobox and use |death_cause= in the parent template. P.S. If you want to learn about Linter errors, click on any of the issue lists and then click the Help link at the upper right corner of the page for an explanation of that issue. – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:08, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Recent template edits at Special:Diff/1313556345 and Special:Diff/1313608347 seem to have raised some new lint errors at Special:LintErrors/html5-misnesting. Something to do with span elements. -- 92.18.76.185 (talk) 05:59, 27 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ten minutes later ... @Zinnober9 has cleaned it all up. -- 92.18.76.185 (talk) 06:13, 27 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:SOFIXIT? - Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 06:16, 27 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I fix hundreds of lint errors per week, sometimes hundreds per day. If I had known how to fix those particular errors I would have done so. -- 92.18.76.185 (talk) 06:54, 27 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Zackmann08, you may have seen that I have replaced span tags with div tags after some of your infobox template edits. This is done because span tags can't wrap div tags (it's a Linter error that points out invalid HTML syntax), and sometimes people use templates like {{longitem}} inside the affected parameters. If there is no downside to using div tags to wrap these parameters, I recommend it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:24, 27 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Jonesey95: I had wondered if there were benefits/drawbacks to using spans vs divs. You have answered that for me! I am updating the documentation to say to use divs. Thanks!! —Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 17:26, 27 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
92 was referring to the articles of Bert Cadotte and Fatma Songül Gültekin I believe, and weren't an issue at template level, so I was able to fix those. It isn't always clear if the error is on the article or from the template unless you've seen some things, so I understand them mentioning/inquiring since they are newer to lint error fixing. Fatma was missing the needed |module= for the child infobox, an error by other editors, and Bert had the same issue, but I saw that all but one parameter was already supported by the main box, so I moved all into main and asked Jonesey95 if they would add |death_cause= to Template:Infobox ice hockey player to correct that last detail (since it was a bit silly to have a child infobox for just one parameter/a few shared parameters). But as Gonnym said above, the missing module issue is just highlighting the errors of others and a byproduct from your fixing/cleaning up these infoboxes, so not something you need to stress about. We'll keep clearing the module issues as found/needed, and will ask you for changes like div vs span when there's a problem. I appreciate you updating and cleaning up various infoboxes! Zinnober9 (talk) 17:14, 29 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

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The Technical Barnstar
Thank you so much for tirelessly fixing infobox errors! — hike395 (talk) 10:37, 27 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delicious trout

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trout Trout, as requested (see the next edit for why this fish arrived on your plate). – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:52, 27 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Jonesey95: I love me some trout!!! —Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 17:19, 27 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pages using infobox brand with unknown parameters

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I see that you made this edit, following which you created Category:Pages using infobox brand with unknown parameters and then requested speedy deletion of Category:Pages using Infobox brand with unknown parameters. Why did you do it this way, and not as a WP:CFDS? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:49, 28 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Redrose64: Saw no reason that the category needed to be discussed. There is a clear precedent at Category:Infoboxes with unknown parameters… Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 19:54, 28 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't need to be discussed, but it does need to be put through the proper process. Essentially, you have carried out a cut and paste move, which erases the attribution history for the former category name. I now see that you have done a similar thing by creating Category:Pages using infobox train with unknown parameters and then requesting deletion of Category:Pages using Infobox train with unknown parameters. Please stop doing this. To KylieTastic: please reject further speedy deletion requests of this nature. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:17, 28 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Redrose64: These are tracking categories… There is no history to maintain… —Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 21:35, 28 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Redrose64: the next one I will be doing is Category:Pages using Infobox player of English billiards with unknown parameters. If you look at the history of that page the ONLY edit is from me creating the page. There is no history that needs to be maintained. —Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 21:36, 28 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Beyond if these should be at WP:CFDS..... just wondering why are you not moving these to the new name rather than create new and speedy the old? KylieTastic (talk) 21:41, 28 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@KylieTastic: you cannot (as far as I understand it) simply move a category as you would a traditional page. I.E. IF I more Category:Foo to Category:Bar, you cannot expect that pages with [[Category:Foo]] on them will wind up in Category:Bar. That simply isn’t how categorization works. Again I may be mistaken, but that has always been my understanding of categories. —Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 21:45, 28 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes you still have to manually update the entries from Foo to Bar but the actual category page can still be moved rather than a cut and paste move/recreation to keep the attribution history even though minor. Also I'm not familiar with WP:CFDS but a quick look suggests that a bot handles these types of move in an agreed process, so even if it seems like a trivial case using the consensus process is likely to cause the least problems as it does give 48 hours for anyone to object. Regards KylieTastic (talk) 21:56, 28 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I guess it just seems like unnecessary extra work for pages that literally have no history. I totally get not doing a cut and paste move when there is history to preserve. Really I do! But most of the unknown parameter categories were created by me before the naming convention was in place and have literally ONE edit, the creation with {{Unknown parameters category|TEMPLATE_NAME}}. That is the entirety of the code on the page. How about we compromise. There are only about a dozen or so of these left. If I find one that has any real edit history I’ll take it to WP:CFDS, but if the only edit is the creation with the previously mentioned template code, can we agree a cut and paste move is the best solution? — Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 22:00, 28 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Attribution and history are very important to some editors. I just moved the above category and modified the template and all incoming links to the old category name. It is possible that I have some user right that Zackmann08 does not have. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:34, 28 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Jonesey95: Just checked, you have the page mover permission. Maybe I should request that? - Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 22:36, 28 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you had created the category pages concerned, and nobody else had edited them, you would have a point. But Category:Pages using Infobox train with unknown parameters was not created by you, it was created by me, and it had five edits (by four different people) in total, including your WP:CSD#C4 tagging. Similarly, Category:Pages using Infobox brand with unknown parameters was created by me, and had three edits including your C4 tagging. Admins may verify that the pages both have history by visiting Special:Undelete/Category:Pages using Infobox train with unknown parameters and Special:Undelete/Category:Pages using Infobox brand with unknown parameters.
Wikipedia:Moving a page is clear: Category moves should be investigated and planned before they are initiated. Please post requests for category moves at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion if you are, or expect to be, unable to complete the process. Do not move or rename a page by cutting and pasting its content, because doing so fragments the edit history. and following the first link, we find To request the move, follow the procedure at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion § Speedy renaming and merging. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 16:52, 29 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Redrose64: I will be more careful moving forward. Thanks for helping educate me. —Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 18:44, 29 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have history merged the categories you processed this way that had more than one edit before your C5 tagging. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:13, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Pppery: really appreciate you taking the time to correct those. Thank you! Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 18:40, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox templates with blank line between birth_name and birth_date

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Thanks for fixing the blank line after the birth_name parameter in {{Infobox sportsperson}} and others I pointed out on template talk pages. I found more templates with the same problem and figured it would be easier to list them here:

Also in {{Infobox water polo biography}} the birth parameters are not displayed. -- Zyxw (talk) 20:49, 28 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Zyxw: Facepalm Facepalm . A HUGE thank you for helping me track down my mistakes. Really appreciate it! Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 20:51, 28 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]