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Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Concerts

There is currently a discussion ongoing at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Concerts regarding the usage of festivals for tour date tables, which may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Any input would be appreciated. The discussion is called Music festivals in Venue column on tour date table, or in Explanatory footnotes?. Thanks. HorrorLover555 (talk) 16:15, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Talk:Illumishade

There is currently an ongoing discussion at Talk:Illumishade regarding the genre that the band perform. Some input from this WikiProject would be appreciated. The discussion is called Genres. Thanks. HorrorLover555 (talk) 17:17, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Talk:Phil Spector

There's a discussion on how we should format the the first paragraph on the lead section of the Phil Spector article, which can be found at Talk:Phil Spector#"Convicted murderer" in lead section. Feedback from project members would be appreciated. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 09:43, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

removing a redirect

I want to start a page for a musical artist under that artist's name, but it currently redirects to a band's page that happens to have that musicians name as part of the band they were in. Now, that artist has enough to warrant their own page under that artist's own name as a solo artist. How do you manage this? Ravin9976 (talk) 20:22, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Issue with citation at The Magic Band

There's a quote from John "Drumbo" French in The Magic Band article about how difficult it was to work with Captain Beefheart/Van Vliet. The issue is that the reference, as stated, fails verification. At the very least there are no page numbers that high (815-816) in the Mike Barnes book Captain Beefheart. The quote has been promulgated throughout the internet and I suppose it must exist so I am hoping someone in this WikiProject has access to the book and can find the quote on whatever page it might be on. I have tried my best to at least find some aspect of the quote in the Barnes book online but have come up empty.
Here are all the particulars:

Captain Beefheart by Mike Barnes, published by Omnibus Press in 2011. 410 pages.

Quote:

"If Van Vliet built a house like he wrote music, the methodology would go something like this ... The house is sketched on the back of a Denny's placemat in such an odd fashion that when he presents it to the contractor without plans or research, the contractor says "This structure is going to be hard to build, it's going to be tough to make it safe and stable because it is so unique in design." Van Vliet then yells at the contractor and intimidates him into doing the job anyway. The contractor builds the home, figuring out all the intricacies involved in structural integrity himself because whenever he approaches Van Vliet, he finds that he seems completely unable to comprehend technical problems and just yells, "Quit asking me about this stuff and build the damned house."...When the house is finished no one gets paid, and Van Vliet has a housewarming party, invites none of the builders and tells the guests he built the whole thing himself."

I did find a 2020 blog post that had the quote in full - from A&M Records-Alan & Margaret Ashworth "Well Done Beefheart" - but the only source they gave was "John ‘Drumbo’ French, who told an interviewer". Thanks in advance for any help. = Shearonink (talk) 01:50, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Draft: Sawyer Sharbino – Request for Review

Hi! I’d love to request feedback or a review of a draft I submitted: Draft:Sawyer Sharbino. He’s a singer, songwriter, and actor with numerous music releases across major platforms, as well as coverage in LA Weekly and Entertainment Vine. He also appears in the Netflix documentary Bad Influence releasing April 9, 2025.

The draft includes Discography, Music videos, and references to his work across Spotify, Apple Music, and YouTube. Any thoughts or suggestions would be much appreciated!

Thanks so much, ~~~~ Wikicontributor2025hi (talk) 00:26, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bio for Oz Noy (jazz-fusion guitarist)

Hi to all,

I worked on this bio for a long time and would be very thankful for any feedback on whether the article I created follows all of the requirements needed to be published.

Here's the link: User:Ivhutt/Oz Noy

I thank anyone taking the time in advance.

Best, Ivhutt (talk) Ivhutt (talk) 18:45, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Talk:PinkPantheress

There is a discussion at Talk:PinkPantheress#Photo consensus that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. orangesclub 🍊 01:05, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Deadmau5 article in need

Heyhi, for the past quarter of the year I have attempted to improve the quality of the Deadmau5 article. I've failed to attract the attention of editors with similar leanings so if anyone here is interested in improving the article I encourage you to come and check out what I've done with it. :) Thank you!! ~ GoatLordServant^(Talk) 15:07, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Talk:The Chicks § Reorganization for potential GA

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:The Chicks § Reorganization for potential GA, which is within the scope of this WikiProject. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 06:18, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Wintersleep

There is a discussion currently ongoing at Talk:Wintersleep in regards to a section about band members. Some input from this WikiProject would be appreciated. The discussion is Band members section. Thank you. HorrorLover555 (talk) 12:30, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dimebag Darrell

There is a discussion on the murder information in the infobox of the Dimebag Darrell article. It can be found at Talk:Dimebag Darrell#About the cause of death in the infobox. Input from project members would be very much appreciated. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:08, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Talk:Brian Wilson

There's an important discussion regarding how we should handle the Death and tributes section of the Brian Wilson article. The discussion can be found at Talk:Brian Wilson#Death section. Input from project members would be very much appreciated. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 13:29, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Request for Neutral Review – Seabrun “Candy” Hunter Jr. Draft

Greetings WikiProject Editors,

I’m reaching out to kindly request a neutral editorial review of the following draft article:

🔗 Draft:Seabrun “Candy” Hunter Jr.

A Conflict of Interest (COI) disclosure has been posted on the draft’s Talk page, in full transparency. The subject is a documented co-writer and sideman with Richard Penniman (Little Richard), credited on BMI/MLC entries and referenced in historical reviews of the unreleased 1975 Reprise album.

The estate has organized third-party sources and archived reviews confirming authorship, performance history, and notability. We respectfully ask if a WikiProject editor may assist with review or provide neutral feedback toward potential mainspace inclusion.

Thank you for your time and service to knowledge stewardship.

— Respectfully,

Tyanna R. Battle (Estate Representative)

COI Disclosure Ty Bat Zan (talk) 21:45, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at The Jackson 5

There is a discussion currently ongoing at Talk:The Jackson 5 in question about a touring member's inclusion in the infobox and timeline. Some opinions from members from this WikiProject on this matter would be appreciated. The discussion is Taryll Jackson a member?. Thanks. HorrorLover555 (talk) 19:11, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Ghost (Swedish band)

There is a discussion currently ongoing at Talk:Ghost (Swedish band) in regards to the inclusion of a band member which may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. The discussion is Semi-protected Edit Request on June 27, 2025. Thanks. HorrorLover555 (talk) 07:07, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Sure Shot (rapper)#Requested move 26 June 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Sure Shot (rapper)#Requested move 26 June 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 12:08, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Serguei (artist)#Requested move 10 July 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Serguei (artist)#Requested move 10 July 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. --MikutoH ^talk! 23:06, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Talk:Oasis (band)

There is a discussion currently ongoing at Talk:Oasis (band) regarding whether the band became active again in either their announcement in 2024 or when they performed their first reunion show in 2025. Some input from this WikiProject would be appreciated. The discussion is called Reunion in 2024 or 2025?. Thanks. HorrorLover555 (talk) 13:07, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Sure Shot (rapper)#Requested move 26 June 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Sure Shot (rapper)#Requested move 26 June 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 15:54, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:The Highwaymen (country supergroup)#Requested move 4 July 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:The Highwaymen (country supergroup)#Requested move 4 July 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 06:55, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Charli XCX#Requested move 14 July 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Charli XCX#Requested move 14 July 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Web-julio (talk) 20:43, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Yoann Lemoine#Requested move 8 July 2025

An editor has requested that Yoann Lemoine be moved to Woodkid, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion. Taffer 😊💬_(she/they) 21:04, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

New WikiProject

Hello!

I propose a WikiProject with the working title of Art & Architecture Copyedits.

The proposed WikiProject has two main goals:

To copyedit any articles related to Art & Architecture that have the copyedit or clarify tag, and
To create a supportive, welcoming space for newcomers. Experienced editors are also very appreciated, especially for the proposal process, but the WikiProject, once created, will mainly be recruiting newcomers.

If you would like to join, please do comment below, and I'll ping you during the proposal to confirm your intent. I will be posting this message on all related WikiProjects. All experience levels appreciated! 22ManzanaBoy (talk) 15:51, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Yoann Lemoine#Requested move 8 July 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Yoann Lemoine#Requested move 8 July 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 01:56, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Talk:Oasis (band) regarding a member

There is a discussion currently ongoing at Talk:Oasis (band) regarding whether a member is in the band officially or if they are a touring musician. Some input from this WikiProject would be appreciated. The discussion is called Discussion on whether Joey Waronker is a member or a touring member. Thanks. HorrorLover555 (talk) 16:24, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Serguei (artist)#Requested move 10 July 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Serguei (artist)#Requested move 10 July 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 07:04, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Giovanni Matteo Mario#Requested move 5 July 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Giovanni Matteo Mario#Requested move 5 July 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 11:23, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Talk:Britney Spears § Conservatorship wording

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Britney Spears § Conservatorship wording, which is within the scope of this WikiProject. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:26, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Big Time Rush (group)#Requested move 15 July 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Big Time Rush (group)#Requested move 15 July 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 12:39, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:The Moondogs#Requested move 16 July 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:The Moondogs#Requested move 16 July 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 12:44, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Liquid

Hey folks. There's currently an article called Liquid (musician). But, Liquid was not a musician, it was two DJs. That is, Liquid was -- a dance music act, or hardcore music act? I'm not sure of the best way to very briefly describe and therefore name it, as I'm not really familiar with this musical form. But I do think the article should be renamed, since Liquid was one person, not two. Can interested editors assist with this? Perhaps the article should be called "Liquid (music group)". — Mudwater^(Talk) 01:36, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Poyushchie vmeste#Requested move 20 July 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Poyushchie vmeste#Requested move 20 July 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел (talk) 07:22, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Hyunjin#Requested move 18 July 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Hyunjin#Requested move 18 July 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 13:07, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Talk:Stevie Young#Stevie Young nationality

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Stevie Young#Stevie Young nationality, which is well within the scope of this WikiProject. HorrorLover555 (talk) 19:04, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Influences in lead sections

Hi. I have a quick question for this project: is it relevant to include a musician's influence in the lead section? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:26, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Are we talking about acts/genres that influenced the musician or the other way around? In case of the former, this would normally be on a "Musical style" or "Early life" (i.e. their musical upbringing) section, but if there's none available, it could be fine in a lead section. If it's about how the musician influenced other musicians and genres, then it could definitely be mentioned in the lead, which would even help quickly establishing their notability. Victor Lopes ^Fala!•C 20:32, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Talk:Britney Spears § GA plans

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Britney Spears § GA plans, which is within the scope of this WikiProject. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 21:46, 30 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Request to add a page on Tyler Morris, Blues Guitarist

Hi, I would like to request a page be added for a notable musician. I have a draft for unbiased neutral review with sources.

Tyler Morris (musician) – Draft Wikipedia Article

Tyler Morris (born November 4, 1998) is an American blues‑rock guitarist, singer, songwriter, and record producer. He has earned three Grammy Award nominations and is a voting member of both the Recording Academy (NARAS) and the Country Music Association (CMA).

Early life and education

Born in Boston, Massachusetts, Morris began playing guitar at age nine and was performing professionally by age eleven. He later studied guitar performance and music production at Berklee College of Music.

Career

Debut and early albums

Morris released his debut album, And So It Begins (2015), at age 16. He followed that with Next in Line (2018), a critically praised record featuring guest performances by Joe Louis Walker and the Uptown Horns, and produced by Grammy-winning Paul Nelson.

Living in the Shadows and wider recognition

His 2020 album, Living in the Shadows, produced by Mike Zito, was praised for its fiery guitar work and confident vocals. It featured collaborations with Ronnie Earl, Joe Louis Walker, and Amanda Fish, and reached #3 on the Billboard Blues Albums chart. Reviews highlighted his maturity and depth as a songwriter and guitarist.

Grammy nominations and industry affiliations

Tyler Morris is a three-time Grammy nominee, with nominations spanning blues and instrumental categories (as discussed during his feature on the Musicians And Beyond podcast, Episode 82, December 18 2023). He is also a recognized voting member of the Recording Academy (NARAS) and the Country Music Association (CMA).

Musical style and influences

Morris’s playing blends blues-rock intensity, shred techniques, and melodic phrasing. His influences include Eric Johnson, Eddie Van Halen, B.B. King, Steve Vai, and Walter Trout. Blues Blast Magazine noted his technical fluency and deep knowledge of blues tradition for his age.

Discography

- And So It Begins (2015)

- Next in Line (2018)

- Living in the Shadows (2020)

Endorsements and affiliations

- Voting member, Recording Academy (NARAS)

- Voting member, Country Music Association (CMA)

- Equipment endorsements include Dean Guitars, Fishman Electronics (Fluence pickups), REVV amplifiers, and SonoTone Strings.

Sources include: Blues Blast Magazine, Rock & Blues Muse, Blues Rock Review, Musicians And Beyond Podcast, Philly Cheeze Blues, Ekkarn Music, and Music Legends Canada. Billythekid7777 (talk) 20:05, 31 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Many of us in the WikiProject don't really consider article requests via this Talk page. You might have better luck writing this draft in draftspace and submitting through articles for creation. There's also Wikipedia:Requested articles/Music/Performers, bands and songwriters, but I advise writing a short description and providing your references if you choose to take that route. Jalen Barks (Woof) 22:33, 31 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merger of inactive sub-projects

There are several dozen WikiProjects on individual musicians which are pretty much dead. To encourage closer collaboration instead of disparate editing, I propose merging the following sub-projects, all of which can be called inactive or barely active, into WikiProject Musicians (I've excluded a few like the Beatles or Michael Jackson because of the higher probability they might be revived):

Please let me know if you oppose any of these inactive sub-projects being merged into this one. I will leave messages on all of their talk pages too maybe tomorrow, it's quite a list!. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:42, 31 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support I have no objections whatsoever to merging all of these inactive subprojects into this WikiProject. We can certainly do that. Also, I will be adding WikiProject Van Halen to the listing as well since that is inactive as well. HorrorLover555 (talk) 23:34, 31 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support. There is absolutely no reason to have all these dead wikiprojects lying around. FaviFake (talk) 09:53, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose people are still working on at least some of these WikiProjects. For the record, Beyoncé is at FAC (have a look at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Beyoncé/archive1) while "Firework" from Katy's WikiProject is now at PR (see Wikipedia:Peer review/Firework (song)/archive1 for the page). Furthermore, with Demi's "Fast" page being started and there's an upcoming album on the way, we could easily see more activity there. There is also interest in bringing Britney's main page to GAN while Mariah's project still gets some FA's promoted. Let's not be so hasty with merging those particular WikiProjects. Not sure how much people are trying to keep the other projects active. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 16:56, 2 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- SNUGGUMS, while of course editors continue to work on the relevant articles, I don't think they are keeping the projects themselves active, hence why I suggested merging. For example, the last comment on the Katy Perry talk page before my notice was from 2013. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:59, 2 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  - For what it's worth, I've often seen CatchMe working on Demi pages along with myself, plus Heartfox is a prolific editor for Mariah articles while Everm4e does edit Beyoncé pages. I additionally have worked on many other Katy articles beyond what I just linked here. Overall activity is more than just WikiProject talk page notices. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 17:06, 2 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

UPDATE: another FAC for Mariah can be found at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Whenever You Call (Mariah Carey song)/archive1, so it's safe to say that and the other projects I named are still in some capacity being kept active, even when not as much as they once were. Perhaps they could be marked as "semi-active" instead. Another thing I forgot to mention before is MaranoFan still doing work for Meghan Trainor pages, obtaining multiple FAs, and therefore could also certainly be counted as active to some extent. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 17:16, 2 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to hear the opinions of the editors you referred to—@Heartfox, CatchMe, Everm4e, MaranoFan, and 750h+:. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:24, 2 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can't speak for the others, but the Adele and Meghan Trainor WikiProjects are only inactive till their next releases come along. I found it odd already that they were marked semi-active, but a merge makes no sense and would be actively detrimental to editors' motivation to continue working on these topics.--N Ø 18:29, 2 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Mass nominations like these are almost never a good idea.★Trekker (talk) 19:06, 2 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Can you explain further StarTrekker? I was planning a couple more in the future on other topics, but if there are good arguments against... ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:54, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  - Mass nominations/move discussions tend to cause issues because it's very hard to get throughout discussion and actually cover each subject fairly. There is always the risk that something that shouldn't be deleted/merged gets caught in the crossfire.★Trekker (talk) 21:31, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Well I guess that's why this was turned into an RfC, so that more people can make sure it's safe. FaviFake (talk) 21:33, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support – I don't see how keeping these projects around actually improves any of the articles mentioned above. A quick glance through any of them reveals practically no talk page discussions of any length for years upon years. If people are still improving articles on these topics, and yet still not showing activity within the project it self (working on subject ≠ being a project member), doesn't that show them to be even less useful? If anything, having a more centralized forum would be beneficial to avoid this kind of dearth. – Aza24 (talk) 19:52, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose mostly because the inclusion criteria here is insufficient for a mass deletion of this kind imo. It takes only one person to mark a WikiProject as inactive, and there isn't a defined process as far as I'm aware as to what requires a WikiProject to take on the status. For instance, why is WP My Chemical Romance on this list, while something like WP Olivia Rodrigo is not? Both of them have a similarly short list of participants, of which a subsection is actively working on bringing articles up to GA/FA status, and both of them have limited talk page activity, yet one was marked as 'inactive' and is thus on the chopping block here, while the other is not. The case of WP MCR is just the situation I'm familiar with, but I can't be certain about whether or not the other WikiProjects here are truly inactive, or if they have only been marked as such and no editor had taken the initiative to remove the header. Leafy46 (talk) 22:37, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can tell, the declarations of inactivity were above all else based on a lack of talk page notices. It either way is an oversimplification to assume solely based on no new/ongoing threads there that something is "dead" or that nobody is working on the projects and their respective articles. Sometimes editors spend lots of time building/reworking the project's actual pages (which certainly applies for Olivia's articles) without posting notices there or anywhere else until they think it's ready for a nomination. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 00:05, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Since when is working in a subject equivalent to being an active project member? There is no one claiming that "nobody is working on the projects and their respective articles"—that would not be negatively effected by merging these projects. Instead, if might actually be assisted, since now there is a more central forum for people to receive assistance. Aza24 (talk) 15:22, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"There is no one claiming that "nobody is working on the projects and their respective articles" " — this is plainly inaccurate. The entire premise of this discussion, per AirshipJungleman29's post, is that "There are several dozen WikiProjects on individual musicians which are pretty much dead". This directly implies that some of these projects are proposed for merging here because, regardless of whether the label was or remained true, at least one editor marked them as 'inactive' in the past. However, my point is that at least one of the articles listed here (WP MCR), despite being marked as 'inactive', still has some active editors at a level on par with a WikiProject marked as 'active'; in fact, I found this exact talk page discussion through that WikiProject's talk page. I certainly agree that not all of these WikiProjects should have individual pages, but these WikiProjects should nonetheless be analyzed on a case-by-case basis and not in a sweep of 65 (!) at once without the feasible ability to critically evaluate their individual cases. Leafy46 (talk) 16:33, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what purpose the "directly" part serves when it doesn't seem possible to "indirectly" imply things, but nevertheless editing indeed doesn't automatically mean being a project member, and I agree that doing case-by-case assessments is better than a broad sweep on such a large scale that underestimates at least some projects' levels of activity. Certain labels of "inactive" were definitely misleading and AirshipJungleman29 evidently didn't account for that when lumping so many here. For any that aren't deemed worthy of a separate project, I would wholeheartedly endorse Heartfox's alternative proposal of task forces instead of merging. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 17:07, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
SNUGGUMS, I did not account for labels of "inactive" because, as below, I did not look at labels of "inactive". WP:MILEY is marked as active and is on the list, WP:COLDPLAY is marked as semi-active and is on the list, WP:BEYONCE is marked as inactive and is on the list, WP:CHERYL is defunct and is on the list. What I looked at instead was how active the WikiProjects actually were, as shown by the activity on their talk pages. Just because some editors are active does not mean the WikiProject itself is active; I have got eleven WP:MONGOLS articles to FA in the past couple of years but the project itself is essentially inactive. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:21, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, talk page threads aren't the only indicators of activity for the projects. It would be too presumptuous to suggest otherwise as you appear to be doing. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 19:08, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP Olivia Rodrigo is not on that list because I forgot to add it Leafy46. It has nothing to do with the inactive banner at the top of the WikiProject pages; see WP:MILEY, which is not marked as inactive but which is on the list. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:17, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the clarification; the sample I checked were all marked as either inactive or defunct, and you wrote above that "all of [these WikiProjects] can be called inactive or barely active", so I incorrectly assumed that that was the case for all of the WikiProjects here. Nonetheless, I maintain my same point regarding how a case-by-case nomination should be conducted rather than the sweeping operation here; this is simply much too large of a collection in order to truly evaluate whether each of these WikiProjects deserve inclusion, and I don't believe it's fair to simply lump these together as the "same levels of inactivity" based primarily on talk page activity, when other forms of engagement with a WikiProject exist. Leafy46 (talk) 17:56, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Leafy46: "there isn't a defined process as far as I'm aware as to what requires a WikiProject to take on the status." to answer this I'd ask myself the question "are there actually a bunch of editors who have agreed to work consistently on a broad scope of articles?" Key words here are "consistently" and "broad". If a WikiProject fails to satisfy my concern, I'd say there is good reason to mark it as inactive. Consider: WP:WikiProject Taylor Swift isn't here is because we have a good deal of editors who are regularly producing good content about Taylor and her career and have tacitly agreed to form a community around it. Swift's career counts as a broad scope because a voluminous amount of content about her life and music and work has been written in the media and the academe. The same can't really be said for many of the listed WPs here. Elias 🦗🐜 ^{[Chat, they chattin', they chat]} 00:23, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I'd argue many of the artists here do have that, and a couple might have more than her.★Trekker (talk) 00:33, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't really contradict what I said. Elias 🦗🐜 ^{[Chat, they chattin', they chat]} 00:37, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If the status quo isn't okay, then convert them to task forces of WP:WPMUSIC which I think is a better target since WP:MUSICIANS seems more to do with biographies, while these WikiProjects proposed for merger mostly include songs and albums. Heartfox (talk) 04:59, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Heartfox makes a great point.★Trekker (talk) 13:44, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support for converting them to WPMUSIC task forces. God yes please. Do we really need this many incredibly hyperspecific wikiprojects that are functionally dead? All the effort to create them and very few people actually make use of the collaborative environment these WPs are supposed to encourage. And IMO, two or three people who happen to be working in the same purview/articles do not necessarily a WP make. Elias 🦗🐜 ^{[Chat, they chattin', they chat]} 13:00, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To expand on my "hyperspecific" argument here: articles about musicians + their respective works constitute a very niche scope. Because these projects are so niche, they attract very few interested editors --- and let's be real, there is sparse interest in pop music within the Wikipedia community --- so getting a large-enough number of folks to run a centralized forum is unlikely. This means that when the very few editors of a WP get burned out and leave Wikipedia (or move onto other projects), there is nobody to maintain the WP anymore. Even then, cranking out a bunch of good/featured content about X or Y musician is entirely doable by only one or two folks; there's no need for a whole projectspace forum to list/organize tasks or ask for help. To yank an example from the list, there used to be an editor from over three years back named LOVI33 who was impressively prolific at bringing Dua Lipa-related articles to GA status... but they were virtually the only person accomplishing these feats, and eventually they retired. I think it's the perfect example of why a musician wikiproject is incredibly unnecessary; not only are there few editors interested in editing about Dua Lipa (or SZA or Ariana Grande or Charli XCX or what have you), but when these same editors inevitably get tired, don't be surprised when the project fails. Elias 🦗🐜 ^{[Chat, they chattin', they chat]} 00:13, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@AirshipJungleman29: Two points. One, this is essentially a merge proposal, which is outside the remit of RfC. Two, it has long been established that each WikiProject defines its own scope (this is one of the few areas where WP:OWN does not apply), so it should be a discussion for participants of WP:MUSICIAN plus the participants of the various subprojects (I see that notes have - correctly - been placed on their talk pages). An RfC pulls in all manner of random outsiders. Like me. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 08:16, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Redrose64, thanks for the advice, I've removed the RfC banner. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 09:16, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:The Dictator (2012 film)#Requested move 9 July 2025

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Emily Neves

Hello. There's an ongoing discussion on Talk:Emily Neves#Basic info: Middle name, date of birth, etc regarding how we should handle the article's lead section. Input from project members would be very much appreciated. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 15:07, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Title: Request for neutral editor to review and submit biography draft (Gary Adante / Gary Olazabal)

Title: Request for neutral editor to review and submit biography draft (Gary Adante / Gary Olazabal) Body: Hello, I am seeking assistance from a neutral Wikipedia editor to review and, if appropriate, submit a biography draft I have prepared for Gary Adante (formerly credited as Gary Olazabal), an American recording engineer and producer. He has worked on over 40 Grammy Award-winning and nominated recordings and has been featured in published books and recognized music industry sources. The draft is fully cited with reliable references, including: – Faces of Music: 25 Years of Lunching with Legends by David Goggin (Alfred Music, 2011) – Buzz Me In: Inside the Record Plant Studios by Martin Porter & David Goggin (Thames & Hudson, 2025) – Official Grammy.com credits – AllMusic and Discogs credits I am aware of conflict-of-interest guidelines and will not be submitting this myself. Instead, I am asking a neutral editor to consider reviewing the draft and, if it meets standards, submit it via Articles for Creation (AfC). Draft in Wikitext format: {{short description|American recording engineer and producer}} {{Use mdy dates|date=August 2025}} '''Gary Adante''' (formerly credited as '''Gary Olazabal''') is an American recording engineer and producer who has contributed to numerous Grammy Award-winning and nominated recordings.<ref name="Faces">{{cite book |last=Goggin |first=David |title=Faces of Music: 25 Years of Lunching with Legends |publisher=Alfred Music |year=2011 |isbn=978-1598630245}}</ref><ref name="Buzz">{{cite book |last1=Porter |first1=Martin |last2=Goggin |first2=David |title=Buzz Me In: Inside the Record Plant Studios |publisher=Thames & Hudson |year=2025 |isbn=978-0500028698}}</ref><ref name="AllMusic">{{cite web |title=Gary Olazabal Credits |url=https://www.allmusic.com/artist/gary-olazabal-mn0000192533|website=AllMusic |access-date=9 August 2025}}</ref><ref name="Discogs">{{cite web |title=Gary Olazabal |url=https://www.discogs.com/artist/306234-Gary-Olazabal |website=Discogs |access-date=9 August 2025}}</ref><ref name="Grammy">{{cite web |title=Gary Olazabal |url=https://www.grammy.com/artists/gary-olazabal/13010 |website=Grammy.com |access-date=9 August 2025}}</ref> == Career == Adante began his career in the 1970s at major Los Angeles recording facilities, including the Record Plant.<ref name="Buzz" /> His credits include engineering and mixing for artists such as [[Stevie Wonder]], [[Barbra Streisand]], [[Quincy Jones]], [[Michael Jackson]], and [[Paul McCartney]].<ref name="Faces" /><ref name="AllMusic" /><ref name="Discogs" /> His work spans pop, rock, and R&B genres, with multiple projects earning Grammy Awards or nominations.<ref name="Grammy" /> He has been profiled in industry publications and books documenting the history of recording studios and the music industry.<ref name="Faces" /><ref name="Buzz" /> These sources detail his role in landmark recording sessions and his association with influential producers and artists. == Selected works == ''Songs in the Key of Life'' – Stevie Wonder (1976) – engineering team<ref name="AllMusic" /> ''Hotter than July'' – Stevie Wonder (1980) – engineer<ref name="AllMusic" /> ''Bad'' – Michael Jackson (1987) – engineering credits<ref name="Discogs" /> ''Live Alive'' – Stevie Ray Vaughan (1986) – mixing/engineering<ref name="Discogs" /> Various collaborations with Paul McCartney, Barbra Streisand, and Quincy Jones<ref name="AllMusic" /> == Publications == Adante is featured in: Goggin, David. ''Faces of Music: 25 Years of Lunching with Legends''. Alfred Music, 2011. ISBN 978-1598630245.<ref name="Faces" /> Porter, Martin; Goggin, David. ''Buzz Me In: Inside the Record Plant Studios''. Thames & Hudson, 2025. ISBN 978-0500028698.<ref name="Buzz" /> == References == <references /> == External links == [https://www.allmusic.com/artist/gary-olazabal-mn0000192533 AllMusic credits] [https://www.discogs.com/artist/306234-Gary-Olazabal Discogs credits] [https://www.grammy.com/artists/gary-olazabal/13010 Grammy.com profile] {{DEFAULTSORT:Adante, Gary}} [[Category:American audio engineers]] [[Category:Record producers from the United States]] [[Category:Living people]] [[Category:Year of birth missing (living people)]] Thank you for considering this request and for your help in preserving accurate music history. 142.129.115.247 (talk) 01:23, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Talk:Oasis (band)#Touring members in the Band members section

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Oasis (band)#Touring members in the Band members section, which is well within the scope of this WikiProject. HorrorLover555 (talk) 17:48, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Talk:Black Sabbath#Genre discussion

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Proposed deletion of Abdurrahman Bahir Efendi (Arabzade)

The article Abdurrahman Bahir Efendi (Arabzade) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Tagged as Unreferenced for 10 years. No other language has an article from which to translate. No reliable sources online Google; literally zero hits in English on Google scholar.

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Timeline at Foals (band)

OPPOSE

There is a consensus to oppose the inclusion of touring musicians in the timeline as per the standard practice which is that we do not include them in the timeline on the band's main article(s). However, placing touring musicians in the timeline and/or having a separate timeline for touring musicians on the List of ____ members articles makes a lot of sense. HorrorLover555 (talk) 14:55, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I believe that touring members should be included in the timeline for the band Foals. They had been in the timeline for a while until @Bowling is life removed (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Foals_(band)&oldid=1303087943). When I saw this I reverted their edit as they had not seeked consensus and I believe the move to be regressive. @HorrorLover555 then removed them again, (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Foals_(band)&oldid=1304246175) so I used the articles talk page to discuss the disagreement where the two editors reasoning essentially boiled down to "because we don't put touring members in the timeline" which is a memo I never received as I believe the timeline is supposed to tell who played with the band when and especially in a band like Foals where they have relied on touring members to fill important instruments live (keyboards and bass) and had some interesting lineup changes in touring members.

I also believe it is ridiculous to ask for me to gain a consensus to add a back an up until recently uncontroversial part of the timeline when no consensus was reached in the first place for the removal.

It became apparent early in our discussions that we would not reach an agreement so I might as well try here. Mewhen123 (talk) 10:56, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As Bowling is life had explained in said discussion, they had stated that touring members are not included because other editors had stated not to include them in the timeline, and that most band timelines do not even have them. I have to disagree with the inclusion of the touring members because it does not make sense to have them in the timeline, for both the reason that Bowling is life had stated, and that I feel would be a little more cluttered to even have the touring members in the timeline. In short, only official band members current and former should be included. HorrorLover555 (talk) 12:17, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would agree in certain cases adding touring members to a timeline would make it look cluttered, but in this case it does not. As I have stated before, without touring members in the timeline, there is no point even having a timeline the official membership changes are so simple. Mewhen123 (talk) 12:33, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As I have stated before, without touring members in the timeline, there is no point even having a timeline the official membership changes are so simple. Simple, but yet efficient to only have the official members in the timeline. Having looked through the edit you made, I noticed that you also put in a line for the touring musicians in the timeline, which is inappropriate for it. HorrorLover555 (talk) 12:50, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Inappropriate" in what way, it's a very good way of clearly distinguishing between official members and touring musicians. A solution to this I suggested is having two timelines, one for official members, one for touring members. Mewhen123 (talk) 12:56, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It is inappropriate to have that line in the timeline as it serves as nothing more than clutter as that on part is reserved for the members. And most band articles do not even have that line in the timeline, and by that fact, should not be included. A solution to this I suggested is having two timelines, one for official members, one for touring members. I think that more input would be needed from other users before we make a change like that. HorrorLover555 (talk) 13:01, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to see Livelikemusic and Binksternet's thoughts on this. HorrorLover555 (talk) 13:01, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Timelines should just have official band members. Binksternet (talk) 14:10, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keeping touring musicians out of the timeline is standard practice around here and so far I've seen no reason why Foals (band) should be an exception. I don't personally like the idea of creating a separate timeline for touring musicians on a band article, but it could indeed make a lot of sense on those List of ____ members pages. Victor Lopes ^Fala!•C 14:28, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I concur with this. It would make a lot more sense to have a timeline for the touring musicians exclusively for a list of "insert band name here" members articles. HorrorLover555 (talk) 14:43, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I concur with what has been said by Binksternet, Horrorlover, and Victor Lopes, it is standard practice to keep touring musicians out of the timeline. livelikemusic (TALK!) 14:47, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Still no one is giving a better reason than "because we don't". Mewhen123 (talk) 21:44, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I believe WP:SILENCE applies. livelikemusic (TALK!) 22:08, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Still no one is giving a better reason than "because we don't". We have already explained the reason to you, which is that we do not add any touring musicians into the timeline, as it is standard practice, per Victor Lopes and Llm. HorrorLover555 (talk) 15:57, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I understand it is a standard practice to you, but that is not a reason for why it is a standard practice. Especially when, in this case, it doesn't clutter the timeline Mewhen123 (talk) 16:05, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It is a reason. And as Victor Lopes has suggested, it would make a lot more sense to rather instead have the touring musicians featured in their own timeline on the List of ____ members articles rather than the band's own, which seems more appropriate for their inclusion. HorrorLover555 (talk) 16:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Naming

Hi to all! I am preparing to make a new article and I'm torn between naming it with "(music producer)" or "(record producer)"? I have searched and a lot of pages used the latter despite finding this naming convention article. Any thoughts on how I should proceed? Thanks for the help! Kuragehime ଳ⋆.ೃ࿔*:･ 00:32, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Kuragehime000: I would go with what the naming convention page says personally.★Trekker (talk) 11:31, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Noted, thanks! Kuragehime ଳ⋆.ೃ࿔*:･ 11:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Claire dela Fuente#Requested move 7 August 2025

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Discussion at Talk:Battle Beast (band)#Proposal to include a section 'Common riff in the song Enter The Metal World'

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Requested move at Talk:Liam Óg Ó hAnnaidh#Requested move 25 August 2025

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Discussion at Wikipedia talk:Vital articles/Level/5/People § Add Allan Holdsworth

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Vital articles/Level/5/People § Add Allan Holdsworth. 🌙Eclipse (she/they/all neos • talk • edits) 11:27, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]