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@Bowling is life @HorrorLover555 Since when did we not add touring members to the timeline? when was this decided? where is this written down? Especially when touring members make up important instruments in the band (bass and keyboards) it is important to see what musician is playing what instrument when. Mewhen123 (talk) 22:12, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It makes more sense to have only the official band members current and former in the timeline. And there is no need to have the touring musicians in the timeline, as it is already covered in their own sub-section for the Band members section of the article. HorrorLover555 (talk) 22:15, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't make sense to me. What's even the point in having the timeline then, all official members are already covered in the band members section. Mewhen123 (talk) 22:36, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's still worth have a timeline even if it's just the official members. As long as the band has more than one line up change. It is still a nice visual for line up changes. I can't find a specific guideline page that says not to include touring musicians in timelines. The reason why I removed the touring musicians is because I have seen other editors say not to include touring musicians in timelines. Plus, most of the band articles I come across do not include touring musicians in timelines. I thought having official members only is the standard for timelines. That's how it is for the infobox, official members only. The timeline also includes album releases and is meant to provide a visual to demonstrate which members contributed to which album. Touring musicians do not contribute towards the albums. They are there for the live show. So, it makes no sense to include touring musicians in the timeline. I'm trying to find a guideline to confirm this but I can't find it. Bowling is life (talk) 01:42, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't believe there is any such guideline. I still believe touring members have a place in this timeline. I for one would be interested in when Jack Freeman and Jeremy Pritchard played bass, seeing as they subbed for each other a few times. And all albums have articles, if you want to see what lineup played on what album, read the article. Mewhen123 (talk) 10:09, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Bowling is life. Touring musicians should not go into the timeline, as he has said: Touring musicians do not contribute towards the albums. They are there for the live show.HorrorLover555 (talk) 15:45, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I disagree. I don't know any other band article that uses touring musicians in their timeline, and if they do, they should be removed as touring musicians do not count. The timeline is to show lineup changes, not personnel on albums. Yes, exactly. However, we do not apply that to touring musicians as it can cause confusion to the average reader on Wikipedia, who might think "are touring members official members of the band?". So we should not have touring musicians in the timeline. HorrorLover555 (talk) 16:13, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Don't understand how anyone could have any confusion in this article, the members are literally under a heading in the timeline.
Also you are still yet to direct me to any place where this is written, this just seems to be your decision, and who are you to just make up a rule. I've known many articles where touring members are in the timeline, and I think it gives the timeline more of a purpose. Mewhen123 (talk) 16:57, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Because as Bowling is life has stated, they had seen other editors say not to include touring musicians in timelines. You're assuming bad faith on both me and BIL's parts, as we have never made up any rules, it is just a standard that Wikipedia follows. If you wish to make a change to this, then you can go to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musicians and open a discussion there proposing these changes of wanting to add touring musicians to the timeline. But as far as we're concerned, it's our word against yours.
Further more, as both me and BIL have opposed your changes to add the touring musicians to the timeline, which per Wikipedia:Consensus which states: "Consensus on Wikipedia does not require unanimity (which is ideal but rarely achievable), nor is it the result of a vote". Therefore there is currently a consensus to oppose the addition of touring musicians to the timeline for this article. HorrorLover555 (talk) 17:15, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am aware of Wikipedia:Consensus which is why I am having this discussion, I concluded a while ago that I wasn't going to convince you of my viewpoint. I have continued this discussion to understand where this rule has come from, I have come across some editors who support putting touring members in timelines so I didn't see any validity Bowling Is Life's justification for removing them in the first place. + the touring members were there in the first place so it's not that I am for the addition, I am opposed to the removal. And clearly someone else see's the point of them in the timeline as I didn't even add them. Mewhen123 (talk) 17:44, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also to resolve the situation, how does a separate touring member timeline feel. It was true with Oasis's page for many years and it distinguishes (cause apparently that was a problem) official members and touring members. Mewhen123 (talk) 17:53, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
