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Speedy deletion declined: Liwa al-Sharqiya

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Hello Stifle. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Liwa al-Sharqiya, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: A3 does not apply to articles with an infobox. Thank you. Whpq (talk) 14:56, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/John_Fraser_(Canadian_soccer)

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Hi Stifle, while I can see how you get to "no consensus" for a particular outcome, I think it's important to note the overwhelming opposition to retaining the page as a standalone, especially given that the minority of arguments for keeping were all invalidated.

We have 8 !votes to delete or redirect, all citing our guidelines requiring GNG SIGCOV for sportspeople. I do think it is also somewhat telling that two of our most active sportsperson AfD closers, @Vanamonde93 and @Asilvering, opted to voice their preference to delete in the last two days... Then we have two merge !votes, which also oppose retention as a standalone (but don't address how the trivial info in the stub really warrants a merge). Finally, we have just 4 keep !votes: the first cites NOLY as its sole rationale, even though the subject is explicitly disallowed from qualifying for NOLY and, even if he did meet that criterion, the article would still be required to cite an IRS SIGCOV source. The second keep makes the exact same incorrect argument. The third is, literally, ILIKEIT. And the fourth is invalidated by the fact that Olympic gold medals were rejected as notability-presuming by one global consensus and this specific medaling situation was explicitly excluded by unanimous consensus from applying to any considerations of Olympian notability.

In my opinion, there is a clear consensus to remove the article from mainspace, and with the large majority of !voters favoring deletion, coupled with the strong arguments against redirection/merging, a delete outcome would be the best outcome. I would also like to point to this DRV on an AfD with a similar !voting pattern.
Thanks! JoelleJay (talk) 19:31, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just on the numbers, I count 5 keep, 2 merge, 2 redirect, and 5 delete, which really is balanced quite finely on "no consensus". Of course, I participated in the end, but I'd expect a closer who weighted the arguments to come to a conclusion of "redirect", and additionally I'd expect someone who peeked at the article first to come to the same mildly exasperated conclusion as the two closers who evidently did attempt to close the AfD, gave up, and !voted instead. -- asilvering (talk) 20:39, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The deletes are: the nom, FOARP, me, Let'srun, Vanamonde, and you; redirects: GiantSnowman and Devonian Wombat; merges: Govvy and Geschichte; and keeps: Svartner, Namiba, Ortizesp, and 4meter4. That's 6:2:2:4, which is 10 !votes in favor of removing the page. I would think that would be a solid consensus to at least redirect even before discounting the !votes that 100% relied on meeting a guideline that the subject objectively does not meet (NOLY)... JoelleJay (talk) 22:56, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm biased here, obviously, but this isn't exactly your typical no consensus closure of participants disagreeing on what the "significant" in SIGCOV means. The keeps are relying to an extent on a guideline we've given less weight to over the years, and the merges in this case are clearly in substantive agreement that a standalone isn't appropriate. Vanamonde93 (talk) 21:51, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's not even that they're relying on a guideline that we don't give as much weight to -- the guideline itself explicitly says it excludes medalists in competitions with <4 teams. Those !votes would have been invalid even if NSPORT2022 didn't pass. JoelleJay (talk) 23:02, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hey there. As is noted at the top of the page and in my talk page edit notice, I carefully consider all deletion decisions before closing and do not reconsider them based on talk page requests, so feel free to list a deletion review if you feel I have not followed deletion process properly.
I don't believe your methodology of classing merge and redirect as delete !votes, then discarding the keep !votes and reassessing which of merge, redirect, or delete to do, corresponds with WP:DPR. The numbers you have given correspond with a no-consensus closure, and it does not seem to me that any arguments were discernibly weaker than others. Absent a consensus to change a guideline, it is for each individual debate to determine how to apply that guideline to the specific debate.
I consider myself to be well towards the deletionist end of the spectrum, and I assure you that if I could have found a consensus to remove the article, I would. Stifle (talk) 20:52, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ok...I'll bring this to DRV, I guess. JoelleJay (talk) 21:49, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am still really curious how you can consider the keep !votes "not weaker" than the other arguments? Meeting NOLY is voided if the article doesn't meet SPORTCRIT, and the subject didn't even meet NOLY... JoelleJay (talk) 22:24, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is for each contributor to an AFD to interpret and apply the relevant policies and guidelines to the discussion at hand. Other users don't get to declare people's arguments "void" if they interpret them differently. Stifle (talk) 08:08, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But...the criterion in question is objective: there is no "different" interpretation of "medalists meet NOLY unless the athlete competed in an event with fewer than four competitors or teams (i.e., when all participants received a medal)." A keep based entirely on the assertion the subject "meets NOLY" for an Olympian who objectively does not should always be discounted, just as we would do for a !vote on an academic based wholly on an assertion that they meet NPROF #6 through being a dean of arts and sciences. And this isn't even addressing the other objective criterion in SPORTCRIT that would require this article to cite a source of IRS SIGCOV even if the subject met NOLY, something not a single keep !voter even addressed. JoelleJay (talk) 15:42, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

MfD nomination of User:Stifle/Design and production of The Crystal Maze

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Comparison of Dewey and Library of Congress subject classification

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Rublamb is claiming your closure also means that the table has to be retained. From what I understand: the article wasn't deleted as is the purpose of the AfD. It was kept based on WP:N. Removing the table is normal editing. What are the next steps? Logoshimpo (talk) 17:01, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I can confirm my closure only relates to the retention or deletion of the article. It does not prevent editing of the article in line with normal processes. Stifle (talk) 07:47, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pinye Malaibi

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So you're saying the article can be restored if I am able to add a decent amount of content on him? Since I can certainly do that. BeanieFan11 (talk) 13:47, 12 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. That can be done as a normal editorial action, subject to WP:BRD and WP:CON. Stifle (talk) 14:05, 12 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at WP:MCQ § PD-MAGov

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 You are invited to join the discussion at WP:MCQ § PD-MAGov. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:53, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Stife. I'm notifying you of this discussion because you're an administrator on both Wikipedia and Commons and thought you might be able to provide some insight into how to best resolve things. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:54, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I'll have a look. Stifle (talk) 08:03, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

TfD nomination at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 September 18 § Template:Digwuren enforcement

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Deletion review for Anthony T. DiPietro

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Happy First Edit Day!

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Wikiproject Magic: The Gathering

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Hi! I was wondering if you are still interested in WikiProject M:TG. Please respond to this within a week if you are still interested in helping out. If you do not respond within a week you will be classified as inactive on the WikiProject member list. Thanks! Snuggle 🖤 (talk) 21:13, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Realistically I will not have time in the foreseeable future. Stifle (talk) 07:45, 8 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Good deal. Thanks for getting back to me. If you are ever interested in the future the door is always open. Snuggle 🖤 (talk) 12:50, 8 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Is it possible to draftify Samanta Sarmin?

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Hi, you closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Samanta Sarmin as delete. I wondered, is it possible to draftify the page that was there, so that it can be worked on? Dsp13 (talk) 18:50, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done at Draft:Samanta Sarmin. Stifle (talk) 22:01, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Dsp13 (talk) 22:50, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of largest airlines in Oceania (2nd nomination)

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Obviously I disagree with this outcome as nominator, but I have to point out that no actual argument was put forward to keep the article within our PAGs. Or, if there was one, it is not reflected in your close.

It is also very obvious that no-one has any intent at all of addressing the issues with this article, ever, not least because they aren't actually surmountable because there is no source for the information that it wishes to present. It has been kept solely because it is one of a set. The outcome of this close, if it stands, is just this article getting nominated again at a point in the future, hopefully with the outcome of that AFD not being determined on numerical count alone.

My advice is to re-open the discussion with a note that WP:OSE, WP:USEFUL etc. are not convincing arguments within our PAGs. FOARP (talk) 11:23, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Now at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2025 November 1. —Cryptic 15:44, 1 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I was on a short vacation from the 29th to today and the DRV had been started before I had the opportunity to reply. That DRV is trending towards endorse so any response here will be moot. If there is a policy that requires closing statements in some circumstances, I am not aware of it, and would be grateful to be pointed towards it so that I can follow it in future. WP:DPR says closing notes are "sometimes useful", which is short of "required". WP:AFD/AI says "If additional explanation is needed as to why you have closed a deletion discussion as a certain result, add additional comments" but does give detail on what qualifies as "needed". I genuinely want to do the right and proper thing, and not cause any drama, but I struggle greatly with unwritten rules and vagaries. Stifle (talk) 21:00, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:INVOLVED closure of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of All Nippon Airways destinations

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Would you please consider reopening the above AfD? I fail to see how you can objectively close an AfD in which you have yourself participated... Rosbif73 (talk) 13:37, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

100% agree here. This has to be reopened. FOARP (talk) 13:42, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Whoops. That was a terrible brainfart. I will reopen it momentarily. Thank you both for bringing it to my attention. Apologies. Stifle (talk) 15:34, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Now done. It's back on today's list. Stifle (talk) 15:39, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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you can see the details over here should you want to Oreocooke (talk) 04:29, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I'll give this one a skip I think. Stifle (talk) 20:19, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]