"do wrong right", my mommy used to say. this probably meant "if you're here to vandalize wikis, at least make it funny, you filthy casual"

	The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
	Thank you for a genuinely excellent, humorous, and pertinent deconstruction of Larry Sanger's Nine Theses. You put all my concerns into words I couldn't articulate, with your usual dose of wit and sarcasm. qcne (talk) 09:06, 4 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes indeed, I was coming here to give you a barnstar for that but noticed that you considered east Peru a place had already received one. Your post was quite a pleasant read but the humor did not muddle the meaning a bit. Thanks, 🇪🇭🇵🇸🇸🇩 Easternsahara 🇪🇭🇵🇸🇸🇩 06:52, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

danke (or whatever it is they say in italy) to you three~

admittedly, some sections... kind of needed humor to work? that entire section in comic sans is only written like that because i couldn't get the meaning across without way too many words or muddling its impact otherwise, for example consarn _{(talck) (contirbuton s)} 10:03, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just so you know, Breitbart did an article (can't link it 'cause blacklist) about the Larry situation which mentions you. I figured you would probably want to be aware of that. For what it's worth, I thought your dissection was well-written and quite accurate, and I will note that the author of the piece was previously banned by the community and seemingly holds a grudge against Wikipedia. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:32, 9 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Editor 'consarn' launched into a lengthy tirade filled with deranged mockery, arrogantly claiming Sanger didn't know what 'theses' meant by falsely insisting it referred strictly to academic papers", huh...

what can i really say about that, except... hell yeah, i'm notable now, where's my article that only i will be able to edit?

really nice of him to acknowledge the superiority of lowercase letters when referring to me, too. i think i like this adler guy

jokes aside, i love and hate that it only actually comments on the first paragraph, meaning that whether or not he's actually read it past that point is up for debate. maybe i should ask him consarn _{(talck) (contirbuton s)} 16:47, 9 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

	the socratic barnstar
	achievement unlocked: you have angered a breitbart pundit. congratulations and welcome to the club — newslinger talk 08:28, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

truly one of the only achievements that matters. i'm aiming towards being a reporter on infowars next!! consarn _{(talck) (contirbuton s)} 20:23, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

hello, consarn. i came across the blocked user user:Korziox and found some ridiculous redirects of theirs still present. i wanted to submit the list of redirects below for deletion for their sheer improbability, but i quickly realized that this was nothing i could easily do by hand. and to help me even more, i can't find the twinkle module to nominate multiple at once. so i figured i'd ask for help (or you could just do it lol) here's the list, save for Cena John, which is actually kind of fair.

• Cena-John
• CenaJohn
• John-Cena
• J-Cena
• J Cena
• J. Cena

Viva la horde, ~ GoatLordServant^(Talk) 18:08, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@GoatLordServant twinkle is accessible via the preferences menu, under gadgets. though for multiple similar redirects like this, i'll mention massxfd, which can nominate multiple pages for cfd or rfd at once consarn _{(talck) (contirbuton s)} 19:03, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

right, almost forgor skull emoji... you can also check any given user's logs (like so), which will include page creations and the like. in any case, i'll nom the john cena redirects and some of the title case ones for now consarn _{(talck) (contirbuton s)} 19:07, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

massxfd. that's exactly what i needed, thank you consarn!! Viva la horde, ~ GoatLordServant^(Talk) 20:03, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

i've started a discussion with the tool about the same user's frivolous redirects, just about some i think we missed. Viva la horde, ~ GoatLordServant^(Talk) 16:11, 16 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Consarn, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of 2016Nicetruckattack, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not created by a banned user, or the page does not violate the user's ban. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. CoconutOctopus talk 21:03, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That is to say, I'm sure the outcome of the RfD eill be delete, but G5 is really strict and only appliesif the page was created after the user was blocked. CoconutOctopus talk 21:04, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

oh, i thought cu blocks counted as any plain ol' sock block would consarn _{(talck) (contirbuton s)} 21:31, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. You can find it at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Repetitive Ad Hominem Attacks. The purpose is not to punish but to ensure we are all on the same page.

@Consarn

Wikieditor662 (talk) 02:03, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

oops i slept through the whole thing lmao

regardless of what actually went on in the discussion (which really wasn't much), i'll mention that there's no actual need to ping people in their own talk pages. it'll send the same kind of notification anyway consarn _{(talck) (contirbuton s)} 10:50, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh so just notifying on their talk page without pinging? Wikieditor662 (talk) 12:02, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

basically, yeah. for example, this reply will show up in your notifications as a "notice", under the folder icon with a number circled in blue, since it's a reply that isn't in your talk page and doesn't mention you, but a comment i'll be sending in your talk page parallel to this will show up as an "alert" under the bell icon with a number circled in red. the latter would also apply if i pinged you anywhere or undid one of your edits

(at least i'm pretty sure that's a folder icon, and not a box or something) consarn _{(talck) (contirbuton s)} 12:15, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, so if you ping someone in their talk page, does that ping them twice? Wikieditor662 (talk) 15:34, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

no, it only counts as one notification consarn _{(talck) (contirbuton s)} 16:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Got it, thanks for your help! Wikieditor662 (talk) 16:09, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

From your concern at the AFD: when a page is redirected or moved, if the talk page has anything on it, it is retained. The only time a talk page is "lost" is deletion. Metallurgist (talk) 18:59, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

oh, could swear they were automatically redirected, phew

also, actionable pun detected consarn _{(talck) (contirbuton s)} 19:01, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The page is, but the talk is retained because it contains discussion that may be pertinent and there is no need to redirect it. TP is only redirected if it has nothing, but even then, its still in the history. ←Metallurgist (talk) 17:50, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I should clarify this a bit. If a page is moved and the destination is blank, the TP is moved. If a page is moved, and the destination is not blank, the TP is not moved. If a page is redirected or merged, same. ←Metallurgist (talk) 17:52, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

regards, — DVRTed (Talk) 11:19, 4 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

no! my greatest weakness! but maybe not my only one! consarn _{(talck) (contirbuton s)} 11:33, 4 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

would accomplish:

• the admin who blocks him getting harassed/doxxed
• fueling conspiracy theories that get picked up by the media, potentially leading to many editors getting harassed/doxxed
• Larry feeling emboldened / his supporters viewing him as a martyr

would not accomplish:

• reducing the disruption caused by Larry or his theses (see above)
• Larry changing his views on Wikipedia
• the goals of blocking, which are preventative rather than punitive

I obviously can't speak for the entire admin corps, but I think you'd struggle to find another admin who doesn't have a similar analysis of the situation. voorts (talk/contributions) 19:40, 4 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

the second points of both lists would happen regardless tbh (as in larry not changing his views for the latter). that said, if you want to argue that the fear of the exact actions larry wants to further enable with t6 is a reason to avoid doing this, then... yeah, fair, t6 hasn't applied yet, which means wmf money hasn't been tossed at admins to magically make them safe from pretty much everything ever (really, what is his plan with that? bodyguards?)

however, i will disagree with it being considered punitive (or even somewhat punitive), and with concerns brought up off-wiki that it's not the kind of stuff that would affect mainspace, as it's exactly the kind of thing that would mangle wikipedia beyond recognition, and the kind of thing larry's shown he's willing to keep at, considering his multiple interviews (and other such stuff) done between then and now

whether or not this means i think the issue should or shouldn't be pursued further is irrelevant by now, as is whether or not i think this would mean the theses or their implementation shouldn't be discussed at all (spoilers: this one's a no), but as is, this orange is getting moldy, so i'm off to try janking past some paywalls to verify a source about yayifications consarn _{(talck) (contirbuton s)} 20:35, 4 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The only reason to block Larry would be to prevent disruption. If blocking him would not do that (and it would not, because, as you note, he's willing to keep at it), and would probably worsen it, then the only possible justification for a block in this case would be punitive. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:20, 4 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you cannot handle interacting with Larry, please just stop doing it; this noticeboard thread was a stark embarrassment. jp×g🗯️ 09:21, 10 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

you may be just under 6 days, this and 1.5 other discussions, and a sock ta attempting to plagiarize from me late to note this consarn _{(talck) (contirbuton s)} 12:02, 10 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello I'm a student from LUISS university in Rome and I'm working on a presentation based on wikipedia's crowdsourcing process and one part of the work is to put myself in the shoes of a wikipedia contributor and find out some feeling he receives when editing or writing pages. The questions I would like to receive answers on are the following:

1 What does the editor think and feel:

2 What does the editor say and do:

3 What does the editor hear and see:

4 What are is pains:

5 What are is gains (what does make him feel good when contributing):

thanks to whoever will participate in this survey :) Tartaluca (talk) 16:22, 10 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I really appreciate your work at RFD, but your disdain for capitalization is just rough on the eyes. Especially for longer sections, it makes parsing sentences a lot more difficult. I do understand this, as I, myself, often do without them in quick, informal chatting-type situations. But WP talk pages are more like email, where you have the time to compose your thoughts and spend those extra tenths of a second to hold down the shift key. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 17:55, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

oops, thought this had already been sent

admittedly, there's a pile of problems i can name with my writing (inconsistency, too many words, painful syllable/comma ratio, too many ytp references, etc.), though i'll disagree that mostly using lowercase letters would by itself be consequential enough to add to said pile, as i've actually already seen with some people with similar writing styles (capitalization notwithstanding in those cases, of course)

That is to say, I don't think my usual issues of contrivance would actually change much if I wrote like this, so this would mostly be placebo. consarn _{(talck) (contirbuton s)} 18:09, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If no one had mentioned it, it would not be an issue, but now that you have been notified, failure to comply can be seen as a failure to collaborate matter, so please try to communicate in more standard ways, at least when you are writing anywhere other than in your own user space. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 20:20, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Seconded. You just removed a redirect target, while the redirect is under discussion! That is frankly uncollegiate and outrageous; and saying you "will discuss at RfD" is not an appropriate answer. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:14, 18 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

it's just over the character limit of what can be explained in an edit summary, hold on consarn _{(talck) (contirbuton s)} 19:15, 18 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is completely different though. --not-cheesewhisk3rs ≽^•⩊•^≼ ∫ (pester) 20:58, 18 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

...did you find this? Steel1943 (talk) 18:38, 19 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

no, but you actually already know what i'm doing >:3 consarn _{(talck) (contirbuton s)} 18:40, 19 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I've been working on it off-and-on for years. All due respect and RIP to the editor who did most of these, but it's a mess regardless. Steel1943 (talk) 18:41, 19 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, I'd actually recommend those RfD discussions be withdrawn. Reason being is because the whole "move without redirect" option could result in various new titles that could essentially become a WP:TRAINWRECK. (I've actually been resolving these for years utilizing the page mover user right since the leftover redirect can be reasonably suppressed per WP:G6; if you feel like resolving these on your own, and in this manner, feel free to reach out to me if you need guidance.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:02, 19 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

i did suggest moving without redirect to the targets for that exact reason. would that still result in this kind of jank? consarn _{(talck) (contirbuton s)} 19:03, 19 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with "i did suggest moving without redirect to the targets" is that that recommendation sounds like history merge requests, which can tend to complicate things. Either way, yes, you did recommend these be moved without redirects, and I agree with that opinion fully. The problem is that since you're bringing the option up at RFD, there could be multiple opinions about where to move the edit history where you could essentially put a closer into a WP:BARTENDER situation unnecessarily to determine the new titles. This is the reason why after determining in the resolutions are probably uncontroversial, I've been doing the move without redirects WP:BOLDly after determining what could possibly be a useful search term to move the edit history to that can also be utilized as a unproblematic redirect title. Steel1943 (talk) 19:08, 19 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

oh, that... makes sense, i think? i'm pretty sure i have a big red "move this thing" button lying around somewhere, so if they're not speedy closed in about 4 minutes while i do some inconsequential real life stuff, i could take advantage of the fact that they're slightly closer together to do the thing consarn _{(talck) (contirbuton s)} 19:14, 19 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

...or not. it seems i can't move stuff without leaving redirects. i guess it's time to bribe a crat to make me an admin so i can move them properly, which is definitely the only possible way to do it consarn _{(talck) (contirbuton s)} 19:33, 19 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you cannot move pages without leaving redirects unless you have the page mover user right, which can be requested at Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Page mover. Steel1943 (talk) 19:48, 19 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Either way, if you'd like a point of reference to the steps I'm referring to, I just performed a few edits and page moves, referring to what I'm talking about; feel free to look at my recent contributions. Steel1943 (talk) 19:10, 19 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hope I'm helping out with your goal here; haven't had anyone working on this congruent with me in ... probably ever, so any help is great. Steel1943 (talk) 22:36, 19 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

yeah, you are lmao. then again, i did procrastinate this whole thing for like a year consarn _{(talck) (contirbuton s)} 22:39, 19 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto there ... I requested the list be created in 2017 ... and the items on the list are still not done yet 🤣 Steel1943 (talk) 22:43, 19 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So, here's an example of what I'm talking about regarding title changes, specifically for the Kate Kane (version 2) redirect you brought up at RFPP: [1]. What I usually do with these redirects is move them without redirect to a title that basically can still point to the correct target and would in theory survive an RfD. I've learned over the years the best way to do this is to move the edit history to a title that can be tagged with {{R from unnecessary disambiguation}}, such as Kate Kane (DC Comics) targeting Kate Kane since the "(DC Comics)" is the unnecessary disambiguator. Steel1943 (talk) 23:17, 19 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind on that. Someone just shoved square pegs into circular holes and then destroyed everything with a sledgehammer. Meh... Steel1943 (talk) 04:18, 20 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

good, i love destruction grr consarn _{(talck) (contirbuton s)} 10:01, 20 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I just responded to your RfD here, while I was doing that, Marginala Search provided me with an absolute gem of an ancient website that I thought was absolutely ... I guess "charming" is the most appropriate word. It's the sort of thing that makes me go "gosh, I miss the old internet" and "okay I'm glad we stopped doing this sort of thing with the internet" simultaneously.

Specifically I stumbled across Realultimatepower.net, the Official Ninja Webpage, an early 2000s ironic website about ninjas. That's a link to the small Wikipedia article that it apparently has, but if you decide to go explore the site itself, general content warning for the kind of stuff you might expect from an edgy early 2000s website about ninjas, plus most of the links being http and not https. The guy who made it has a youtube channel, he goes by "Robert Hamburger" and his most recent upload is probably my favorite video on the internet I've seen this week. A perfect mindworm to close out the year. My bigender plural bestie Denny says of it "the glasses.. the ponytails..... this feels so wonderfully tim and eric". I don't even know what Tim and Eric is, but Denny has never failed to have good taste in videos of men doing stupid things.

As with all Cursed Knowledge, I was obligated to spread this to at least one person before I could cast it out of my mindspace, and I selected you for being the RfD fellow whose vibes I appreciate the most. I hope you enjoy! MEN KISSING (she/they) T - C - Email me! 06:56, 27 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]