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Proposal to reformat game recaps into a source link

I want to officially propose replacing external link game recaps in schedule tables as a source link for the following reasons. a)External links are subject to linkrot. What will happen if the NFL.com reformats these or removes them altogether? b) They can become unsightly as in 1957 Baltimore Colts season (which links to pro football reference). College football has already done this ex. 1956 Oklahoma Sooners football team. I think this looks much cleaner, gives the same information, and preemptively solves a problem that may occur in the future. If you remember when NFL.com switched formats for NFL player bios you know that this could happen.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 00:24, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For clarity, I am proposing replacing the NFL.com recap column to a source column and replacing the external links with in-line citations.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 00:49, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@UCO2009bluejay: Is it possible to show a before-and-after example of the change? Perhaps in a sandbox test. It's hard for me to assess in the abstract. Left guide (talk) 01:18, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Before

Week	Date	Opponent	Result	Record	Venue	Recap
1	September 9	New York Jets	W 32–19	1–0	Levi's Stadium	Recap

After

Week	Date	Opponent	Result	Record	Venue	Sources
1	September 9	New York Jets	W 32–19	1–0	Levi's Stadium	^[1]

References

^ "2024 New York Jets at San Francico 49ers 2024 Reg 1 - Game Center". NFL.com. September 2, 2024. Retrieved August 2, 2025.

Thanks; all else being equal, I'd prefer to keep it with the "recap" since the interface seems more reader-friendly; it's one less click to navigate, and the word "recap" is more intuitive as to what the purpose is compared to a footnote's random number. A question though, how would the recap link be any more susceptible to linkrot compared to the source footnote link? Left guide (talk) 01:42, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A footnote link can be archived. I also question if the external link violates WP:ELNO-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 01:50, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also is it really our job to link to league websites for each game, or to provide sources? Why have inline citations at all?[1]-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 03:05, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's good to be able to verify the information displayed in the table. I don't think it has to be the league's site, especially if they're always mucking with the url format and causing linkrot. I don't see why the table necessarily needs a link to a game "recap", per se. For example, could the table be cited to https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sfo/2024.htm, or could it even be a general source for the page?—Bagumba (talk) 15:42, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am not opposed to that at all. I was thinking that since the links are extant just to convert them though. Either option is fine with me as long as the external links go.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 00:15, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I also like this idea; we already do this for player stats. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 21:40, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder why we just don't put Template:NFL Schedule Start on all of the articles? Then we link the PFR page as a source. We could remove parameters such as TV and kickoff that are not used on historical articles. Either that or these templates need to be TfD'd because they aren't in use.- UCO2009bluejay (talk) 04:05, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I personally don't like these older (unused since 2007!) templates that require nesting with others to work. A standalone NFL schedule template should be created to replace them, otherwise I'd support this. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 19:14, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You're right. How can we do so? UCO2009bluejay (talk) 02:07, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I can try and create it later this week once I have some time. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 22:33, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@UCO2009bluejay:: I would totally support this, this is something that should have happened a long time ago. And, yes, the way that they are currently being displayed with an external link in the schedule table is indeed an improperly displayed external link in violation of WP:ELNO. By all means, let's go ahead and fix it. Ejgreen77 (talk) 11:27, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Dissident93, I made some edits to Template:NFL Schedule Start. Regardless of anything I have done, it doesn't necessitate the use of the other templates.- UCO2009bluejay (talk) 20:50, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't forgotten about this and still plan to make a mockup of what a replacement could look like. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 00:58, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

AFL Championship Games, intro & infobox heading

I've opened RMs related to this matter in the past, and the result was 'no consensus'. This was due mainly to the existance of the Australian Football League. However, for the intro & infobox heading of (for example) 1965 American Football League Championship Game, may we shorten to 1965 AFL Championship Game? Thus bring in line with (for example) the intro & infobox heading of 1965 NFL Championship Game. -- GoodDay (talk) 14:47, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Go ahead. The Australian Football League was called the Victorian Football League (VFL) from 1897 to 1990. I doubt anyone is confusing the 1965 AFL Championship Game with 1965 VFL grand final. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:32, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

1965 AFL Championship Game already redirects to the page, so I'm not sure why the RMs were unsuccessful as the full league name seems unnecessary. Were these attempted before the recent mass NFL page moves? As for the current article, there's no need to continue to disambiguate after context has been established. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 21:44, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:ACRO1STUSE notes that acronyms should be spelled out in their first use. For NFC Championship games, I have been doing The 2014 National Football Conference (NFC) Championship Game... « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:09, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For the lead yes, but does that also include the infobox? I've always matched that with the page's title. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 19:11, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nah, for the infobox the common name is sufficient. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 19:29, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have implemented the change to the infobox template. If anyone disagrees, feel free to revert. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:22, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Talk:National Football League § New map of teams is too busy

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:National Football League § New map of teams is too busy, which is within the scope of this WikiProject. Left guide (talk) 08:50, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cam Little

Me and RockinJack18 have been discussing Cam Little and whether his 70 yarder should be mentioned in the lede, wanted to get what you all think here in the project WhyIsThisSoHard575483838 (talk) 01:01, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To sum up the discussion, I believe that it should be mentioned , to match with the lede for Ove Johansson, the previous record holder for longest field goal in football history, whose feat is mentioned in the first sentence of his article. Meanwhile WhyIsThisSoHard575483838 believes that it should not be mentioned to match with the lede for Ola Kimrin, whose 65-yard preseason field goal which would have broke the NFL record was not mentioned. I believe that because this is the record for the entire sport, as opposed to the NFL, it's worthy of mention in the lede regardless of if it's preseason or not. - RockinJack18 01:05, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It seems the lead-up discussion being implicated can be found at User talk:WhyIsThisSoHard575483838#Cam Little (permalink). Left guide (talk) 01:46, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What do you personally think? We moved it here so others can discuss as well. WhyIsThisSoHard575483838 (talk) 01:49, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Based on Wikipedia policies and guidelines, I personally think it's too early to tell for this very recent story, since there's likely nothing by way of secondary coverage yet to judge weight. For now, we're mostly relying on collective opinions of subjective importance and speculations about future coverage. We can wait and see what others have to say though. Left guide (talk) 02:00, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If it were me, I'd put a very short sentence about it in the lead and then the full details in the body. Simply something like "In 2025, Little kicked a 70-yard field goal during the Jaguars' first preseason game." The body can have the details about how it was longer than Ove Johansson's kick and that it doesn't count as the record because it wasn't in the regular season. Useight (talk) 03:33, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'd go with "Little unofficially holds the record for the longest field goal in NFL history, doing so in the 2025 preseason". It received plenty of coverage and most NFL player leads are barren with no more than 2 or 3 sentences, so it's not like it's adding bloat. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 19:18, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Red for winning, Green for losing?

Looking at (for example) AFC South's section of Division champions. Shouldn't the background colour be green for Super Bowl winners & pinkish red for Super Bowl losers? GoodDay (talk) 05:04, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at several lists of X seasons across several sports it appears that the color scheme is consistent with the season lists for conference champions (pink/red) and league champions (green). Hockey is different as it is blue. Then again, hockey has always been an outlier on just about everything.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 05:12, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Per the Divisional lineups section:

Division Won Super Bowl

Division Won AFC Championship

So, perhaps the color scheme of the Division champions section should be changed to match it. Otherwise, I agree that it should be green for Super Bowl winners & pinkish red for Super Bowl runner-ups. Assadzadeh (talk) 05:17, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

AP All-Time All-America college football team

Hey everyone, I was looking to include AP All-Time All-America college football team to the career highlights and awards section of the infobox of the selected players. It doesn’t look like it is prohibited from being added by looking at WP:NFLSTYLEPL#Highlights, but wanted to get your thoughts on it first. GOAT Bones231012 (talk) 06:05, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Procedural note: I've notified WT:CFB since there's relevance/overlap with college football. I advised the OP on my talk page to host the main discussion here since presumably most (or all) of the players made it to the NFL. Left guide (talk) 06:21, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Ty Davis-Price#Requested move 18 August 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Ty Davis-Price#Requested move 18 August 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. SSSB (talk) 08:14, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "2024 New York Jets at San Francico 49ers 2024 Reg 1 - Game Center". NFL.com. September 2, 2024. Retrieved August 2, 2025.

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