User talk:Bagumba

  1. Home
  2. Wiki

User:Wikizin

[edit]

This user has been adding early entries to NBA draft articles without researching and applying the necessary DABs literally for years. Is there anything that can be done? I’ve warned him just about every year about it, so have others and he never pays attention. I think a topic ban on NBA draft articles would be the best long-term solution but he at least get a timeout until the declaration deadline? Rikster2 (talk) 15:18, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

deadline was actually midnight but maybe 24 hours? Rikster2 (talk) 15:22, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I left a note to attempt to get them to engage. —Bagumba (talk) 16:22, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Seems reasonable, thanks Rikster2 (talk) 19:07, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Rikster2: It doesn't look like they are going to reply. So the AGF is that they got the message, knows to disambiguate, and knows they need to respond to reasonable questions (WP:CIVILITY). Because of WP:BLOCKNOTPUNITIVE, I'm not going to block them this time for not responding. You can pursue a WP:TBAN at WP:AN, if you want to come up with the diffs that will convince the community that they're habitually not being responsive and are a net negative. Otherwise, if this happens again, I'd suggest leaving a message on their talk page that makes it clear a response is expected, like "how do you ensure whether a link needs disambiguation or not?" You can let me know if you then think admin action is needed, or try a noticeboard. Good luck. —Bagumba (talk) 10:14, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Play-in

[edit]

Hey, just saw your edit with the summary about the consensus not to add play-in stats. I did it for the Mavs players, not aware (anymore?) about it, will remove that and my bad adding it in the first place. Kante4 (talk) 14:32, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Kante4: No worries. Sometimes it's hard to know what's a "rule" vs. what's just been overlooked and should be added. Thanks for understanding. Follow WP:NBA (if you don't already). Regards. —Bagumba (talk) 17:15, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I check there from time to time but not often enough it seems. Will put it on my watchlist. Kante4 (talk) 17:44, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ITN recognition for Tom Brown (safety)

[edit]

On 30 April 2025, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Tom Brown (safety), which you nominated and updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. SpencerT•C 16:25, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kobe, Coby, Cobee

[edit]

I'm not a huge fan of those other guys even being there at all. I don't think anyone is typing Kobe Bryant into the Wikipedia search bar expecting to land at one of the NFL players, and being surprised when Kobe pops up. Most people just Google stuff to find Wikipedia articles. Anyone interested in the NFL players will probably know their names start with a C anyway. If they have no idea at all, they will probably just Google "Kobe Bryant NFL", which comes up with the Seahawks player. I removed Coby in the past from Kobe's lead-in ([1][2]). It's undue attention for those two guys to be at the top of Kobe's article like that. The majority of readers won't even know there is a Coby or Cobee. The "AI Overview" when you Google "kobe bryant nfl" is similarly annoying: "The NFL connection to Kobe Bryant involves both Coby Bryant, a Seattle Seahawks safety, and Cobee Bryant, an Atlanta Falcons cornerback." There is no NFL connection though. Those guys have nothing to do with Kobe. They're not family members, lol. At the same time, I do understand why people keep adding it. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:44, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiOriginal-9: It's hard to objectively assess WP:HATNOTERULES' "reasonable possibility of a reader arriving at the article either by mistake". I tend to think of a reader that isnt an expert in the area, but hears a name on a broadcast or podcast. Sometimes you hear the name slightly differently, or never seen it in print. That happens to me. If I heard something that sounds like "Kobe", but otherwise didnt know the person, I'm typing "Kobe". I think I saw you remove "Jerry Rice Jr." before. Sure, any football fan knows THE Jerry Rice, but what if you didnt, or didnt think typing in the extra Jr. would matter. But sure, maybe everybody but WP regulars use Google. I have no idea how it works with Suri or Alexa. —Bagumba (talk) 17:06, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@WikiOriginal-9: (talk page watcher) (also partially involved in the Kobe/Coby/Cobee thing) It's undue attention for those two guys to be at the top of Kobe's article like that. Hatnotes are purely navigational aids so article content policies like WP:UNDUE don't apply. I knew of Tony Gwynn Jr. before I ever knew about Tony Gwynn, because Jr. was in MLB when I started following baseball; announcers and reporters at the time sometimes simply called him "Tony Gwynn" and seldom talked about his father. Some readers have poor literacy or spelling, and/or often get info in audio form like the radio. And depending on time and context, readers could be introduced to a "less known" figure like the Gwynn example I mentioned. These hatnotes are totally reasonable; the goal is to get readers to the article they want without making them read articles they don't want. Rice Jr. should be restored for these reasons. Left guide (talk) 19:21, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@WikiOriginal-9: Another thing to consider is that there are a variety of misspellings that seem to arbitrarily redirect to one. Cobi and Cobey point to Coby's article, while Cobe, Cobie, Koby, and Kobee (among others) point to Kobe's article. Left guide (talk) 22:00, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Doncic trade again

[edit]

Can you please look at the recent flurry of IP activity at Luka Dončić–Anthony Davis trade and consider restoring semi-protection or possibly doing pending changes? Left guide (talk) 11:15, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To be clear, it's hard for me to make out whether some of them are good-faith edits. FWIW, they're all unsourced and have been rolled back. Left guide (talk) 11:22, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done Another month. —Bagumba (talk) 13:19, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jrue Holiday

[edit]

Is it reasonable to semi-protect Jrue Holiday due to IP editors persistently adding infobox awards without/against consensus? (i.e. Sportsmanship, Teammate) I guess it depends on whether such activity can be considered "disruption" per protection policy; could be WP:DISRUPTSIGNS #4: "Fails to engage in consensus building". Left guide (talk) 00:28, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Left guide: Per WP:SEMI, Semi-protection should not be ... to privilege registered users over unregistered users in (valid) content disputes. Follow WP:DISPUTERESOLUTION e.g. leave a user talk page message (and even an article talk page note for other potential editors thinking the same). Drive-by editors can't be expected to know about prior project consensus. —Bagumba (talk) 01:14, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ok thanks, I notified all three IPs of the project discussion on their user talk pages, and also dropped a similar note on Holiday's article talk. Left guide (talk) 01:22, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

NBA play-in stats purge

[edit]

I noticed you're essentially doing an extension of an edit run I began about a month or two ago (which I'm sure you're aware of since you thanked me for one of them), but got too burned out to continue. By my own very rough estimate, I think it affects about 300-500 total players, and I got about halfway through. I don't know if you're doing it in any certain order, but it might help you to know that I went chronologically starting from the oldest years. Thanks for helping, and good luck. Left guide (talk) 14:50, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No particular order. Just did a search looking for the section header. Anyone with a bizzare format or misspelling got spared. —Bagumba (talk) 15:03, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Large list of highlights"

[edit]

So I cut All-Rookie from LeBron's infobox per WP:NBAROTY:

When a player was also named Rookie of the Year, All-Rookie can be omitted for players with a large list of highlights.

and would like to continue doing it on other ROTY winners. But first I'm wondering, how many items would you consider to be a "large list"? My personal hunch/opinion is about 10+, but I also want to be sure that doesn't stray far away from a consensus I'm unaware of. Left guide (talk) 09:00, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Left guide: It unfailingly seems like someone will always add it back.[3] —Bagumba (talk) 08:57, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yup, I noticed that too, just like Jrue Holiday smh. Even you pitched in there, and these awards keep re-appearing. Thank goodness for the {{infobox clutter}} tag; it's something of a compromise to long-term nonstop edit-warring. Left guide (talk) 09:15, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I guess the tags worked LMAO. I've never once seen an IP remove low-level awards from the infobox, they're always the ones persistently adding them. Left guide (talk) 10:21, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • I now see where this clause came from. Was there a project discussion informing it? Or was it a unilateral addition by you? Left guide (talk) 09:33, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Left guide: Or was it a unilateral addition by you?: They call it WP:BB here LOL. Granted it's an essay and not even a guideline or a formal proposal for one, but I generally follow WP:PROPOSAL: Most commonly, new policies or guidelines document established practices, rather than proposing a change to what experienced editors already choose to do. If there wasn't a link, there probably wasn't a formal discussion, as I value traceability, and added many of the existing discussion links. I'm pretty sure it was existing practice, but it says "can" as opposed to "should" or "must", so it wasn't a rigid practice. If things have changed, anyone can improve it. Best. —Bagumba (talk) 09:53, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Just checking, since the page history shows you've been dominating that style guide since '13 LOL, wanna make sure you're not going too far out of line. ;) In all seriousness though, I actually respect that WP:NBASTYLE (for the most part) is very well-cited to project discussions. Many times, project style guides are just a single editor writing their own personal opinion of how content should look, attempting to pass it off as "project consensus". Left guide (talk) 10:04, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nikola Jokić pronunciation

[edit]

Hello Bagumba, I hope you are well. You may know me by my previous name which was Doc Holliday. This edit may not mean too much to you but it means a lot to me. We already have the transcripted pronunciation as well as audio.

I have helped with editing this article for many years. I usually do the year end trimming because there is a lot of superfluous information added each season like scores of games and triple doubles, which quickly becomes redundant.

Anyhow, we managed for many years without adding this unsightly crammed information to the lead. As said, I brlieve the current transcrpted and audio pronunciation will suffice.

Please do not revert my most recent edit. I hope you are well and thank you for all that you do within the basketball articles. It is much appreciated. Johnnynumerofive (talk) 19:15, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Leads

[edit]

Hey B. You know I could just as easily change all of those back "per lead discussion" if I really wanted to. There was no actual discussion of "player who was" in the discussion you've been linking. On the other hand, I count a 7–1 consensus in my discussion. Thoughts...? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 03:23, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiOriginal-9: Hey there. For that one you linked, I would say there's no consensus to ignore a guideline. WP:CONSENSUS mentions ... polls should be regarded as structured discussions rather than voting. Responses indicating individual explanations of positions using Wikipedia policies and guidelines are given the highest weight. Then WP:LOCALCONSENSUS says: Consensus among a limited group of editors, at one place and time, cannot override community consensus on a wider scale. For instance, unless they can convince the broader community that such action is right, participants in a WikiProject cannot decide that some generally accepted policy or guideline does not apply to articles within its scope. Viable alternatives were also mentioned like breaking it off into two sentences, which didnt have resistance. You mentioned not linking "football", like "football linebacker", which I pooh-poohed, but I've seen similar arguments in other domains i.e. readers can get to American football from the linebacker link. —Bagumba (talk) 03:58, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Noooo, way more crap to do over here than this. Maybe I'm missing the bottom line. John. Bringingthewood (talk) 21:33, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Bringingthewood: Yep, my bigger pet peeves include former Americans, city (XY) high school, and "at [[ACME Widgets football|ACME]]". —Bagumba (talk) 00:39, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
LOL, I do know about those former Americans! You could definitely make a mini-project regarding those pet peeves. But that nowiki thing? Nope. I may have stood a chance if they taught me that in grammar school. Math, Science, Social Studies, .. and Wikipedia. This dog is too old to learn. I STILL HAVE A FLIP PHONE!! John. Bringingthewood (talk) 00:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Bringingthewood: Haha. See WP:NOWIKI: It's only when you want to show the literal wikicode (and not the results of it). —Bagumba (talk) 01:12, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I will check out some easy reading. You see, everyone here knew that but me. God, I really do need more excuses going forward. Can I blame it on my 2007 Dell? :/ Bringingthewood (talk) 01:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Bringingthewood: If it's any consolation, WP wont let me login from my 2010s-ish iPad anymore. —Bagumba (talk) 01:39, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ha, it is. Those little tidbits do keep me going. But you will, or did, upgrade already. To think I thought about getting one of those iThings years ago ... probably would have been a 2000-ish anyway. I'm sure Wikipedia will have me catch up to 2025 one day, I'm guessing in 2033. Bringingthewood (talk) 01:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Bringingthewood: I have other newer devices. "Smart" devices aren't meant to last. Industry has convinced the masses to shell out for new equipment, while corps save money on support costs and increase profit margins. I'm usually the last to upgrade, only after some "essential" app no longer works. About 10 years ago when moving, I dug up an old 2000 Dell running XP. I upgraded to Vista for kicks, and it booted up just fine. But no websites that mattered would load up on the browser. —Bagumba (talk) 02:15, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm. My bumper sticker would sell - "Stupid people don't buy smart devices". I beg to differ, I may be the last person on this planet to upgrade, lol. Yep, me and my Vista have the same browser problems. Wikipedia is the last man standing. Shhhh, I didn't say that. Bringingthewood (talk) 02:25, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Bringingthewood So I figured it's some new multimedia feature that old browsers don't know to ignore and just choke on. Like even the decrepit ipad works on ESPN for articles, but the real time scoreboard doesn't. But WP is mostly just text, which makes it more confusing why there's a problem. Come to think of it, I'd always get some weird error message when logging in about another "session", but I'd be perfectly logged in anyways. Until now. Not too long ago, some were still steadfast that WP continue to work on dial-up. —Bagumba (talk) 03:23, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Mr. Dell over here definitely has a chicken bone stuck in him. The thing that drives me crazy is that I lost 'show preview' last April when logged in. I actually practice adding references as an IP user (that I can preview). HA!! I can find NetZero and Juno if I try hard enough, lol. Now that was living! John. Bringingthewood (talk) 21:01, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is that a real thing? U.S. for high schools? I just saw it for Tamba Hali, but Osi Umenyiora didn't have it. Just Islands/certain countries and not London, Paris, Wales, etc.? Just asking because I added U.S. to many pages, but never looked in that section. Bringingthewood (talk) 21:40, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Again, I ask due to 'per lead discussion' in the edit summary. I miss a lot, I'm good for that, but the U.S. in this section. Is this something that needs a complete sweep across the NFL .. and even more? I just checked two kickers, Poland had it and Denmark didn't. I'm a pain in the ass with keeping things uniformed, just saying. Thanks in advance. John. Bringingthewood (talk) 21:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You can reply on my page, B. I remove things down the road anyway, lol. Bringingthewood (talk) 22:13, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – May 2025

[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2025).

Administrator changes

added Rusalkii
readded NaomiAmethyst (overlooked last month)
removed

Interface administrator changes

removed Galobtter

Guideline and policy news

Miscellaneous

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:00, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jalen Brunson

[edit]

Seems to be a lot of IP vandalism going on, can you please consider protecting the article? Left guide (talk) 19:52, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-ed 1 mo. —Bagumba (talk) 01:27, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Help requested with category guideline

[edit]

I generally avoid jumping into edit/revert wars that are merely a battle of personal opinions, but these three edits adding Category:Caitlin Clark to broad stats list pages seem like inappropriate categorizations, though I can't put a finger on why. I know very little about the letter of the cat guideline; do you think you can direct me to the correct guideline points to invoke? Left guide (talk) 10:59, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Left guide: I don't invest much time into categories, and this reinforced that I'm not missing much. —Bagumba (talk) 14:02, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page stalker) Just double checking, but do you mean you agree or disagree with the NBA champ cat discussion. I'm the only one who commented... ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:15, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@WikiOriginal-9: I accept that I didn't !vote, so live with the consequences. I gave up trying to understand how WP:DEFINING and WP:PERFCAT is applied. I agree with your comment there. I wonder if it would have made a difference if your "comment" was simply changed to "keep" (but an admin at a close once said that it shouldn't ... but human nature) I imagine CfDs are like RMs, where there is low participation, and liberties are taken, right or wrong. Another admin once said for RMs that they sometimes operate under different closing rules than documented at WP:NOCONSENSUS or even Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions. I'd say there was no consensus at that NBA championship CfD, but I'm not a regular closer there, and it's not something I'm spending energy on, aside as a courtesy to respond to your question. —Bagumba (talk) 01:48, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Those three Clark instances seem like WP:OVERCAT, but it's hard for me to understand the guidelines more granularly than that as it applies to this situation. I'll just invoke that page in edit summaries I guess. Left guide (talk) 02:23, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Left guide: At a basic level, it would seems to fail the "subject is an adjective noun" test i.e. "List of NCAA Division I women's basketball career scoring leaders" is not a Caitlin Clark ... but then neither are relatives of people. I've now reached my category quota.—Bagumba (talk) 05:01, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Former American

[edit]

Hi B. Any good way to go about this? Frank Beamer now has grammar problems. I guess we can revert the whole NFL if this is true, lol. I'm not good going back at someone regarding grammar issues. I do know how to spell grammar though. Thanks in advance. John. Bringingthewood (talk) 22:14, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Bringingthewood: I changed to "American former" and started a discussion on the talk page. —Bagumba (talk) 01:26, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good, thank you. I put it that way on football and baseball pages, but when I run across a professor .. I cut class! We'll see what happens. John. Bringingthewood (talk) 01:35, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NBASTYLE instruction creep check

[edit]

Hey, so I expanded WP:NBAHIGHLIGHTS point #3 a little bit. May I ask for feedback on whether it's instruction creep? I want to avoid it being too detailed, confusing, or contradictory, and writing out original prose on guidance pages is a new thing for me. My edit summaries may provide helpful explanations. Left guide (talk) 01:16, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Freddie Lish

[edit]

On 11 May 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Freddie Lish, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that American-born Freddie Lish called playing for the Thai national basketball team, "my dream ever since I found out my mom was born in Thailand"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Freddie Lish. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Freddie Lish), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]