User talk:Sauriazoicillus

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If you need to contact me please reach me through my email: Sauriazoicillustrations@gmail.com or my Instagram: Sauriazoicillus thank you for your consideration ^^!

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No hard feelings

Sorry about edit warring with you yesterday. I think you've made many great contributions to the encyclopedia, and I hope you continue editing. I've added your restoration of Wellnhopterus to the Javelina azdarchid article. Hemiauchenia (talk) 05:49, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh don't worry it's perfectly fine I'm equally at fault, and also that's curious since I just added it as well, I wonder how Wikipedia will handle the edit conflict since I didn't get the warning. Sauriazoicillus (talk) 05:59, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reversion

Hi. Just to let you know, about that reversion I did on hagryphus, where inadvertently removed good information as well as the most recent change - that IP editor (not blocked) had been making disruptive edits, and after looking at the most recent one, rolled them back but obviously didn't notice that it removed good info as well as a questionable edit. Sorry about that - but mistakes happen when IP editors with a bad history don't provide edit summaries! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 00:49, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The thing is that that is a school IP, someone else was doing disruptive edits, going solely off of edit summaries is bad practise! Sauriazoicillus (talk) 01:21, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Still true about not posting edit summaries, nonetheless. I revert quite a lot of vandalism and we all slip up sometimes. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 06:04, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hypericum aegypticum GA Nomination

Hey Sauriazoicillus, a belated thank you for your peer review of Hypericum aegypticum! I just submitted the article for a GAN and thought I should let you know. If you'd care to give any input or lend a hand in the nomination process, it could be helpful to both of us. I've always felt that hands-on learning is the best kind of learning, and it never hurts to have a second pair of eyes on a Good Article nom. If the reviewer thinks it'd be good, I'd love to take you up on your proposal to make a cladogram; thank you for that offer. Best wishes, Fritzmann (message me) 02:24, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's great news @Fritzmann2002! I'd be more than happy to help make a cladogram if the reviewer thinks its nessecary, however I must warn you, I am in no way familiar with plant taxonomy, so I would need you to send me and image of perhaps a drawing of what you'd like to see. I've submitted by contribution to the GA Nom, wishing you the best! Sauriazoicillus (talk) 07:56, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Help

What is the link for the paleoartist add on for the home page. अथर्व कॉल (talk) 22:50, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Aaa232355 pardon? perhaps speaking in your own language would be easier Sauriazoicillus (talk) 08:19, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Scale bar in Thapunngaka?

Hi, in your graphic at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:KKF_494.png the reconstructed head would appear to be about 8 times the length of the scale bar, and the scale bar is labeled "100 cm" or 1 meter, which would make the head about 8 meters long, even though the page for Thapunngaka mentions a wingspan of "5.83 to 9.47 meters". Was the scale bar meant be 100 mm/10 cm perhaps, making the head more like 80 cm long? Hypnosifl (talk) 22:32, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for my late reply! Shivers you're right, I'll update that to 10cm right away, thank you so much for bringing that to my attention! Sauriazoicillus (talk) 04:03, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mythungini and the Anhangueridae

Hello! I just noticed your new page for the mythungins. It is well done, but I wonder if it would be more useful to have an actual page for the parent clade, Tropeognathinae, where Mythungini could be covered instead? Really, the whole state of the Anhangueridae page is quite rough. What do you think? -SlvrHwk (talk) 07:27, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oh dear that's a really good point, I didn't realise it doesnt have its own article. I'd be more than happy with a merge, or like a situation with Spinosaurinae and Spinosaurini which just link to Spinosauridae where Mythungini and Tropeognathinae link to Anhangueridae. Sauriazoicillus (talk) 09:36, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Mambachiton reconstruction

Hey, sorry to bother again, but I noticed that someone uploaded your Mambachiton illustration from Twitter to Commons.[1] Were you aware of this or did you "approve" it? Just wanted to check. -SlvrHwk (talk) 06:35, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not bothering at all this stuff is important! Yeah I was informed of it the other night and the same person helped me put up a speedy deletion notice. In general if I didn't upload it myself or it has my watermark on it, I didn't approve the upload of it. Thanks for checking in! Sauriazoicillus (talk) 06:21, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Could give me the whole article,please?

I am a Taiwanese student,I usually edit the Chinese Wikipedia.About "Mobulavermis" this page has been translated to Chinese Wikipedia,and I need to expand the page so could you give about "A large pelagic lobopodian from the Cambrian Pioche Shale of Nevada" and "A new lobopodian from the middle Cambrian of Utah: did swimming body flaps convergently evolve in stem‐group arthropods?" those full text? 我是一隻北極熊 (talk) 14:08, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be more than happy to give you the PDFs! How exactly would you like me to give them to you? Sauriazoicillus (talk) 23:10, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Using Gmail?or using orther social media,such as Discord and Facebook.You could tell me the covenientest way for you.Then, appreciate you could give me the whole text.My English isn't very well,so you might not understand, 我是一隻北極熊 (talk) 09:50, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'll send you them over gmail, my gmail is linked in my talk page! Also don't worry about language I think your English is great. I'm also mixed Vietnamese Chinese so even if it wasn't good I'd have no issue with it. Sauriazoicillus (talk) 19:16, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the whole article,I'll give my address in your gmail. 我是一隻北極熊 (talk) 02:31, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Inconsistent extinct values

Hi, as you left it, Template:Taxonomy/"Amiskwiiforms" was marked as extinct, but it was the parent of Template:Taxonomy/Cucullophora which was marked as not extinct, an impossible situation. So I marked the former as not extinct to maintain consistency. Peter coxhead (talk) 20:25, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's consistent as "Amiskwiiforms" are an extinct grade of stem-Chaetognaths, Cucullophora is extant because Chaetognaths are extant but Amiskwia is an extinct cucullophoran while also being part of "Amiskwiiforms", I already made Template:Taxonomy/Cucullophora/skip to fix any issues in automatic taxoboxes. Given this information is it okay to switch it back? Sauriazoicillus (talk) 05:15, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but it's not consistent. If the parent taxon is extinct, all of its child taxa must be. "Amiskwiiforms" includes Cucullophora which isn't extinct because it contains extant chaetognaths, so "Amiskwiiforms" isn't extinct. If you switch it back, then the template will again appear in Category:Taxonomy templates with inconsistent extinct values, so will just get changed back again, if not by me by some other editor who monitors the taxonomy error-tracking categories. Peter coxhead (talk) 06:59, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How is it not consistent when it's an evolutionary grade? That's consistent with what grades are and also the definition of "Amiskwiiforms". Is there any way in which it could be specified that this is how evolutionary grades work? Given the fact that grade was an option I assumed that there wouldn't need to be some sort of marker for this. Sauriazoicillus (talk) 16:46, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How can an extinct grade contain a non-extinct group? If the grade is extinct, that means that all possible members of the grade are also extinct. What is your source for saying this is how evolutionary grades work?

Where is the source that shows "Amiskwiiforms" as including Cucullophora? Neither of the sources linked from Template:Taxonomy/Cucullophora show it, so far as I can see. "Amiskwiiforms" is a paraphyletic group including only Nectocarididae, Timorebestia amd Amiskwia according to Fig. 7 of doi:10.1126/sciadv.adu6990. Peter coxhead (talk) 10:19, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Grades are paraphyletic groups. So if a grade ("Amiskwiiforms") comprises only extinct members while having some that are part of, what would be, a daughter taxon with extant members if said grade was redefined as a clade (Cucullophora), then those extinct taxa (Amiskwia) are still defined as within the fully extinct grade ("Amiskwiiforms") while also still being nested within what would be the daughter taxon assuming monophyly (Cucullophora). Since Amiskwia is within the grade "Amiskwiiforms" then a cucullophoran is within the fully extinct grade "Amiskwiiforms". Sauriazoicillus (talk) 12:07, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To say that a non-extinct cucullophoran is within a fully extinct grade is simply inconsistent.

Can you show me a diagram that shows how a grade can be nested within what would be the daughter taxon assuming monophyly?

Also, I repeat, what source shows "Amiskwiiforms" including Cucullophora? No cladogram within either of the two apparent source papers shows this. Peter coxhead (talk) 13:21, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is just to make sure "Amiskwiiforms" shows up on Amiskwia's automatic taxobox, that's why I created the Cucullophora/skip template to make sure "Amiskwiiforms" doesn't show up on any other cucullophoran pages. Sauriazoicillus (talk) 13:29, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, but (ignoring the issue of extinct) the taxobox at Amiskwia shows the hierarchy "Amiskwiiforms" – Cucullophora – Amiskwia. What is the source for that classification? The paper at doi:10.1126/sciadv.adu6990 says that Amiskwia is a member of "Amiskwiiforms". The paper at doi:10.1080/14772019.2022.2109217 says that Amiskwia is a member of Cucullophora. I repeat yet again that I don't see a source that says that "Amiskwiiforms" includes Cucullophora. Google Scholar doesn't find any articles containing both the terms "Amiskwiiforms" and "Cucullophora". It would be WP:SYNTH to merge the two options for the parent of Amiskwia without an explicit source. You have to choose one or the other for the taxobox, although discussing all options in the text. Peter coxhead (talk) 16:04, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Okay I see what the issue is now, I'll delete the "Amiskwiiforms" template since the current system doesn't gel well with grades. I still think it's an issue that grades are an option if there isn't a way to properly put them in without conflict issues like these for the vast majority of examples however. Sauriazoicillus (talk) 15:12, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Grades aren't the problem. A grade corresponding to a stem-group all of whose whose members are extinct that belongs to a total-group that is not extinct because there's an extant crown-group is fine:

total-group

†stem-group (grade)
crown-group

If however the paraphyletic stem-group/grade happens to include one or more extant members, then it isn't extinct and can't be marked as such. Anyway, it's sorted now, thanks. Peter coxhead (talk) 16:28, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]