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Discussions:
RM, Syrian Kurdistan → Rojava, Moved, 18 January 2015, Discussion
RM, Democratic Federation of Northern Syria → Rojava, No consensus to move, 25 April 2018, Discussion
RM, Democratic Federation of Northern Syria → Northern and Eastern Syria, Not moved, 17 January 2019, Discussion
RM, Democratic Federation of Northern Syria → Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria, Moved to Rojava, 28 February 2019, Discussion
RM, Rojava → North and East Syria, Not moved, 14 October 2019, Discussion
RM, Rojava → Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria, Moved, 30 June 2020, Discussion
RM, Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria → Democratic Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria, Moved, 15 January 2025, Discussion
RM, Democratic Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria → DAANES, Not moved, 29 March 2025, Discussion
RM, Democratic Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria → North and East Syria, Not moved, 6 April 2025, Discussion
RM, Democratic Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria → Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria, Not moved, 28 April 2025, Discussion
The user who reverted you appeared to be referencing this discussion last December in their edit summary, which in turn was started because of edits such as this one. I tend to agree with the editors then that it makes little sense to add the national flag to this polity within it. Yeoutie (talk) 03:05, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
How is that a good point? french overseas territories with no real flag use the french flag in the infobox, why cant we do the same here? JaxsonR (talk) 03:21, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Even if one were to not disregard WP:OTHERSTUFF, your argument hinges on articles of overseas territories of European countries having flags of their mother country, but the DAANES is not an overseas territory... Yue🌙07:48, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I support including the emblem-on-white flag. I was going to hesitate unless/until someone could confirm they're still using it, but then I checked and can see they're still using it as of December alongside the national flag. Despite the flag just being the emblem, we still display both the flag and the emblem separately on all other pages about entities whose flag is just their emblem (see also: most state flags of the US, Mexico, and elsewhere) because the flag and the emblem are still two separate things, even if the design of one is just the other in the center of a white rectangle.
"On the occasion of the victory of the will of the Syrians and the overthrow of the oppressive regime, the Democratic Peoples' Council decided to raise the flag of independence on all institutions of the democratic self-administration in the region of North and East Syria, affirming the unity of Syria and its national identity." (rough machine translation)
I don't think it would be correct to read it as them saying that the independence flag is also the new Rojavan flag (as in, a symbol that is the flag of the DAANES), but rather that the DAANES recognizes and welcomes the new Syrian national government, which makes sense because they regard themselves as an autonomous area within Syria, not as an entity independent from Syria. In other words, they recognize the independence flag as the new flag of Syria. This is different from French overseas flags where the national flag is also legally the only valid flag to represent the territory, or the Flag of Transnistria where the Russian flag is also a legally valid as a Transnistrian flag. It would take too much WP:OR to infer from this statement that they're proclaiming the independence flag as the new DAANES flag and not just the Syrian flag. The emblem-on-white flag, however, is very much the flag of the DAANES and should appear in the infobox.
WP:BOLDly added the official flag because, after reading through the last few pages of archives to see if anyone is against it, it seems like opposition is only to using the Syrian flag as the DAANES flag, not to just listing a flag in general, or to using the official flag. Vanilla Wizard 💙17:08, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello! I am skeptical of the claim in the infobox that the DAANES is a "semi-direct democracy". While its charter claims to espouse those principles, I failed to find any actual evidence of citizen initiatives taking place. In addition, there were multiple claims of systemic discrimination against Arabs in Raqqa[1], a city of 90% Arabs, which should simply not be possible if citizens truly did have the initiative. I propose, similar to the phrasing used in other articles with different de jure and de facto forms of governance such as North Korea, "Federated Semi-Direct Democracy under a Provisional Government". This also clashes less with the fact that they have not held elections in eight years.
On that very article it states in the intro that the elections were not held. The 2017 elections were the last ones to actually be held. It is surprisingly difficult to pin down an exact source for that claim, but it is clear it didn't happen because otherwise it would have gotten coverage. Erdogan threatened an invasion if the elections were held [1] and the SDC didn't even put its own seats up for election (hence 'local' elections). Even if they were held, it still would have been eight years since since any governing organs changed power. From the research I have done, including reading their 2024 electoral law, it does not seem like there is any required term length, and this long hiatus seems to be evidence of that, further suggesting it is a provisional rather than truly democratic government at the moment.
I was trying to find third-party sources for what the current legislative body of DAANES is. DAANES itself says that the Democratic Peoples' Council enacts laws as of "the first half of 2025". Do we have any sources stating that the Syrian Democratic Council - at any epoch during 2012-2025 - has de facto been the legislative body of DAANES? Do we have a better source saying that the DPC is the legislative body as of 2025? Boud (talk) 19:37, 29 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Think the above source does a good, in depth explainer on the political system of the AANES prior to the 2023 Social Contract. It doesn't appear as if the SDC has ever claimed to be or acted as the AANES or DAANES' legislature. Sisuvia (talk) 13:54, 1 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Sisuvia: Excellent! That looks quite solid for the period before the 2023 Social Contract/Constitution. And I guess we can look at Articles 92 and 93 of the 2023 Constitution[1] for the constitutional rules for the current period. Boud (talk) 00:45, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Sisuvia: Done Feel free to double-check my changes here[2] and at Template:Politics of Rojava. We really do need some more up-to-date sources, especially from political scientists who have studied the (recent) real structures there.It does actually seem that having the top-level SDC versus AANES versus TEV-DEM does sort of acknowledge the concerns that PYD is still dominating - via TEV-DEM seeming to be mostly PYD. But that depends on how decision-making really happens, viewed not just compared to more typical democracies, but also compared to the more deeply-democratic grassroots ones like Switzerland. Does PYD still have significant power via TEV-DEM (cn)? Or has it effectively devolved power to the grassroots (cn)? Boud (talk) 19:58, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Fixed. Yue🌙 19:17, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. For an edit request, please provide the specific text that you would like to be added. Nubzor [T][C] 15:24, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
Done Feel free to double-check my changes here[2] and at Template:Politics of Rojava. We really do need some more up-to-date sources, especially from political scientists who have studied the (recent) real structures there.It does actually seem that having the top-level SDC versus AANES versus TEV-DEM does sort of acknowledge the concerns that PYD is still dominating - via TEV-DEM seeming to be mostly PYD. But that depends on how decision-making really happens, viewed not just compared to more typical democracies, but also compared to the more deeply-democratic grassroots ones like Switzerland. Does PYD still have significant power via TEV-DEM (cn)? Or has it effectively devolved power to the grassroots (cn)? Boud (talk) 19:58, 18 October 2025 (UTC)
