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recent kerfuffle at Raegan Revord

FWIW, I wouldn't discount a case of word blindness, rather than deliberate trolling, Gråberg. Feel free to ignore this message. Cheers, CapnZapp (talk) 21:19, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm guessing "word blindness" refers to Govvy here, but it's a tad obscure. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:23, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Or you are joking about the "mis-numbering" dialogue, in which case I didn't get that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:36, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, sorry about not being clear. I was referring to the singular woman in the world, so to speak. Not joking, offering up a possibly calming alternate explanation to what otherwise must feel like a rather aggravating discussion. Believe me, I feel you. Again, feel free to just ignore. CapnZapp (talk) 09:30, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fairly sure both me and NG were joking on the mis-numbering thing. For clarity, I have no intention of going to ANI, that would be ridiculous. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:42, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi!

Thank you for contributing to Philosophy (Wikipedia article). I see here that you added {{Notability}}. I'd like to know what your rationale was for adding this, because I've had a skim through the general notability guideline and from what I've seen since there's been an article and a scientific study on the topic it looks good to me. Is there any specific part of the GNG that was the reason for adding this template?

Thanks, --cheesewhisk3rs (pester) 19:37, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Replied at Talk:Philosophy (Wikipedia article). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:14, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have started editing the draft

Hello my fellow Wikipedian @Gråbergs Gråa Sång!!!! Remember the Wikipedia:Teahouse thread I created to ask you about creating an article on Sinophilia nations during the Cold War? I have created a draft page on that titled Draft:Nations that aligned with the People's Republic of China during the Cold War, and I'm currently editing it. I have also cited some sources to confirm the information. Thanks for your help in suggestions on how to create a good draft. BuddyHeigh (talk) 19:38, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Players stories (22:02, 7 July 2025)

How do I create an article --Players stories (talk) 22:02, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Players stories Hello! Making an acceptable WP-article without knowing how to edit WP is hard. A common advice is to "just" edit for a while first, to try to get a hang of this place.

That said, your first hurdle is "Can a WP-article about your chosen subject be written at all?" Start with reading WP:BACKWARD. If you conclude "Yeah, I have those sources, no problem!", move on to WP:YFA. If your choice of topic fails WP:N, the article will not be accepted. If you decide to go ahead, you need to learn how to add references correctly, WP:TUTORIAL can help with that. This is crucial, and I can't stress that enough. Really. If you intend to write about a living person, read WP:BLP. If you intend to write about yourself (WP:COI), the short advice is "don't." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 03:52, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Malcolm Gladwell

I note that Gladwell is Canadian the same way that I note Canadian currency. This is because the vast majority of English Wikipedia references Americans and American items. It may not be at all noticeable to an American, you know? Not that being Canadian is notable under terms of wp:ethnicity, it is simply to note the source is non-Amarican. Not that anything is wrong with being American. I am not trying to promote being Canadian, only to note it as part of a person. Alaney2k (talk) 13:22, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see no reason to assume a source-person in an article like this would be American, so IMO adding Caldwell's nationality is unnecessary. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:25, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Americans dominate the discussion and subjects in Wikipedia. It is assumed. Wikipedia follows the laws of the States, its servers are in the States, but the audience is international, too. So when an external voice or person is involved, then that is part of the discussion. Someone from outside looking in. An external viewpoint. In this case, it's a Canadian analyzing American subjects. Alaney2k (talk) 13:35, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Then we disagree on the value of adding "Canadian" in this case. If you wish to discuss this further, take it to Talk:Christopher Langan. If you want to copypaste this discussion there, that's fine with me. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:39, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Larries for DYK

Hey there, I've nominated Larries for DYK. You are credited. Feel free to leave your opinions on the nom's page. I didn't add the baby hook you suggested since maybe that's sensitive info, and we should stay away from family & babies for a main page hook of a conspiracy theory. Thanks again! jolielover♥talk 06:33, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Jolielover Louis Tomlinson: "Ok, this is not what I wanted for my anniversary!" Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:57, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Couldn't get One Direction to FA, but I was committed to getting something 1D related on the main page, somehow... :P jolielover♥talk 15:54, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I can respect that. If you haven't seen [1] you might like it, there is a comment on 1D in there. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:00, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remember me? Made a new topic

It’s bimo an ai slip eductaional channel Userofwikiofusa (talk) 05:11, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from GerryWiki13 (16:41, 18 July 2025)

How do I find the search function to locate a person or topic? You seems to havechanged the website and eliminated this function --GerryWiki13 (talk) 16:41, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@GerryWiki13 If you're on a laptop, it's at the top of the page. If you're not at the top of a page, you should see a clickable magnifying glass on the top left. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:20, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! GerryWiki13 (talk) 17:23, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Haniehaee (04:30, 19 July 2025)

Haniehaee's mentor JavaHurricane is away.

Hello, how do i post an article? --Haniehaee (talk) 04:30, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Haniehaee Hello! Making an acceptable WP-article without knowing how to edit WP is hard. A common advice is to "just" edit for a while first, to try to get a hang of this place.

That said, your first hurdle is "Can a WP-article about your chosen subject be written at all?" Start with reading WP:BACKWARD. If you conclude "Yeah, I have those sources, no problem!", move on to WP:YFA. If your choice of topic fails WP:N, the article will not be accepted. If you decide to go ahead, you need to learn how to add references correctly, WP:TUTORIAL can help with that. This is crucial, and I can't stress that enough. Really. If you intend to write about a living person, read WP:BLP. If you intend to write about yourself (WP:COI), the short advice is "don't." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:27, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Ramyaam (14:33, 20 July 2025)

i want to create a new page. how should i go about doing it --Ramyaam (talk) 14:33, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Ramyaam Hello! Making an acceptable WP-article without knowing how to edit WP is hard. A common advice is to "just" edit for a while first, to try to get a hang of this place.

That said, your first hurdle is "Can a WP-article about your chosen subject be written at all?" Start with reading WP:BACKWARD. If you conclude "Yeah, I have those sources, no problem!", move on to WP:YFA. If your choice of topic fails WP:N, the article will not be accepted. If you decide to go ahead, you need to learn how to add references correctly, WP:TUTORIAL can help with that. This is crucial, and I can't stress that enough. Really. If you intend to write about a living person, read WP:BLP. If you intend to write about yourself (WP:COI), the short advice is "don't." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:19, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

One Direction discography on the main page

Hi, seeing as you edit articles related to One Direction, thought I'd let you know One Direction discography is currently on the main page :) it is TFL. Picked as it is soon their 15th anniversary. jolielover♥talk 06:17, 21 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

links

I'm sorry to bother you with something I should know, but I can't remember where there's a list of what abbreviations to use when citing an author-link to a non-English author. Can you help me out? I'm referencing an author who has a profile on Finnish WP. Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:15, 21 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Jenhawk777 Are you thinking of something like fi:Johan Ludvig Runeberg or Template:ILL? However, I don't think you can use either of these as |author-link=, afaik that's just plain text so it has to be en-WP, but maybe I'm wrong. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:36, 21 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bless you, bless you!! Yes, thank you, that's what I need. Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:00, 21 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Jenhawk777 You almost had it [2], but it needed coathangers instead of staples. I fixed it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:16, 21 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You, my friend, are a Wikipedia god.

Thank you. Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:59, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, my contributions to that article are indeed significant. ;-) Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:08, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Ike Lek (01:08, 23 July 2025)

Hey, I made my first fist article that isn't an index/disambiguation. I was wondering if you could take a look at it and let me know if it is up to standards? It's Coat, Somerset. --Ike Lek (talk) 01:08, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Ike Lek At a glance, this looks good to me. You have citations in place and I see no WP:PUFFERY. Should be fine per WP:NPLACE, well done! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:04, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Ike Lek (talk) 07:19, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Ike Lek (23:02, 23 July 2025)

Hey, me again. Sorry to bother. I'm having trouble finding the appropriate style guide for this, so I thought I'd ask it you knew. When the author of a cited work has a Wikipedia article about them, is it considered acceptable to link their name in the citation to their Wikipedia page? --Ike Lek (talk) 23:02, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Ike Lek Absolutely, there's a parameter for that, |author-link=, and a field if you're using WP:REFTOOLBAR or "Manual" in VE. One example:^[1] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:39, 24 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Garfield, Simon (20 October 2020). "What We Know And Can Agree On: Wikipedia At 20". Esquire. Retrieved 11 July 2025.

Thank you so much! I really appreciate your help. Ike Lek (talk) 06:16, 24 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Super cool coder (17:40, 26 July 2025)

How to change the title. --Super cool coder (talk) 17:40, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Super cool coder See WP:MOVE, but you can't do that yourself until you are WP:AUTOCONFIRMed, so you have to ask at WP:Requested moves. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:45, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Israel Frey

Hello, I noticed that you removed Israel Frey's month/year of birth from his article. I calculated it based on this sentence from this source from January 2023:

Frey, who will be 36 next month, has been attracting plenty of attention.

I added back his year of birth. Please let me know if you still think it should not be in the article. Rainsage (talk) 16:10, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Rainsage Excellent source for a YOB, thanks! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:17, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

great thanks! Rainsage (talk) 16:25, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Lakush Alaga on User talk:Lakush Alaga (00:12, 3 August 2025)

Hello how can I book lakush Alaga for an event to perform at --Lakush Alaga (talk) 00:12, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong website. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 04:24, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy notification

I did this. You did it first, so heads up. Hope you're well! JFHJr (㊟) 00:20, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@JFHJr Commented. I don't know if you've come across WP:BFDI before, though we're not quite there yet. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:16, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That was one quick afd. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:19, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pew-pew! I asked for an AfD but we got a Speedy. The salt was the most important part, though. JFHJr (㊟) 16:16, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@JFHJr This one might take a little longer: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Caesar DePaço. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:00, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What a morass. JFHJr (㊟) 20:52, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pew-pew again? I was actually waiting with bated breath for some other reviewer to do something. JFHJr (㊟) 04:01, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I saw that, apparently someone told them at their talkpage to do that. Could have passed, maybe. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:57, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I did read that talkdown. Some interesting points. A questionable one or two as well. JFHJr (㊟) 06:02, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@A person of sorts, just so you know, we're talking about you. I like your username, btw. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:53, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciate the username compliment - I like yours too.

In regards to my talkpage, I think the person who messaged me was right to develop it further before the official submission, though I do think there is a chance that what I can add other than those articles from the Times of India won't do much to build notability.

CaseOh is complicated. Heck, even something like BFDI is more likely to become notable as internet culture becomes past and people discuss it in official, reviewed sources.

I still fully intend to submit it for review. Just, not yet. A person of sorts (talk) 21:46, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'll add that if a reviewer actually wanted to complete an acceptance, they'd just contact the salter or another admin after reviewing; there's also an admin help template for that if the reviewer doesn't know who to contact. Also, a reviewer can post at RPP. So while it takes an extra step under salt, there are several effective options for a reviewer to pursue, and it's not required for an admin to do the reviewing/acceptance. JFHJr (㊟) 05:07, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Raegan Revord used to have a similar list of declines, though admittedly it "slipped through" with a bit of shenanigans. Likely such a list will affect new reviewers a little, but what can you do. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:15, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Theynanigans. JFHJr (㊟) 05:27, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Damn PC-police... Thanks for the chuckle! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:30, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Incase you didn't know, the pronouns thing caused a lot of talkpage discussion. Remember Spin City? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:32, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Of course there was. It had serious import for a real, living person. But it's essential to stay light hearted when on the 'pedia. In fact, it should be mandatory. JFHJr (㊟) 17:27, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@JFHJr And we managed to make some more: Talk:Raegan_Revord#Here_we_go_again. While I'm at it, if you have an opinion on Talk:Kay_Adams_(sportscaster)#Revisiting_inclusion_of_Kay_Adams’s_birth_name_(2025_sources), please join. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:33, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

for posting "Wikipedia content removed per court-order again" on Jimbo's user talk. I had no idea this had happened. Again. Quite chilling... - Shearonink (talk) 15:03, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I thought it needed to be spread around a bit. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:10, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Awrme2000 (22:08, 7 August 2025)

Good afternoon, I hope you're well. I attempted to publish a page just now and it flagged it as unconstructive. I reported the false positive but am unsure where to see when the issue has been resolved. Could you help me track things? Thanks for your time Best Awrme2000 --Awrme2000 (talk) 22:08, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Awrme2000 Not sure what specifically, but at a glance, I get the impression you have a WP:COI here. That's allowed but also makes it very difficult to write "WP-style". Some text is nearly identical to for example gofundme.com/f/feeddurhamnc. You use "we" in text (picture captions, you may not have intended to). Sources like [3] are WP:ABOUTSELF. Hope this helps some. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:38, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for this response. I have volunteered with Feed Durham and didn't think that constituted a COI.

I'll fix up those captions! Awrme2000 (talk) 19:51, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

However... I've looked around a bit and I think I'll try to make an article about Katina Parker. I don't know if that's you or not. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:59, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I've started that article, it's at Katina Parker. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:34, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate your initiative in helping! I'm not Katina Parker, though I will start building out that page. I'll take another look at this Feed Durham draft and try to resolve the coi and aboutself flags. Awrme2000 (talk) 19:55, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Awrme2000 Then you should take the time to read WP:BLP first. A WP-article about a person is meant to be a summary of WP:RS independent of that person. What Parker has to say about herself is for the most part not interesting from the WP-pov.

Also, you seem to have uploaded a lot of pictures [4], mostly by Parker it seems, but at least one by Erin Bell. You cannot upload other peoples pics saying they are your "own work", that is not allowed here. If the photographers want to release these pics under a free license, you can direct them here: Commons:Volunteer_Response_Team#Declaration_of_consent_for_all_enquiries. We are careful about copyright around here. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:05, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Would you be able to answer a couple more questions? Searching "Feed Durham" now routes to the Katina Parker page, but I'd like for Feed Durham to be its own page. I'm having trouble even locating the draft article I submitted, do you have advice for that?

Really appreciate your time and help Awrme2000 (talk) 20:03, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft is at User:Awrme2000/sandbox, and you can use the blue button to submit it when you think it's ready. Note that anything by Parker, article or interview, is WP:ABOUTSELF and does not help the case for WP:N. If your article is accepted, the reviewer will fix the redirect. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:08, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Dewrite (15:14, 11 August 2025)

Hello i dont kwon how put source. please look my all modification adjout this book https://www.abebooks.com/9780692103999/Teda-Tubu-Tebou-Toubou-Civilisation-0692103996/plp --Dewrite (talk) 15:14, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Dewrite Welcome to Wikipedia! I have no idea if your book^[1] is a reliable source (WP:RS) or not, for one thing I don't know the language, perhaps other editors will have a view on that.

Learning how to add citations correctly is essential if you want to make edits on WP that can "stick", I can't stress that enough. Really. So take the time to read WP:TUTORIAL and learn how, there is no alternative. Also, when you cite a book, you should also include pagenumbers in the citation. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:26, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

yes very good source about Kanen Bornu, Toubou People, because the Ruler of Tibesti same dugawa agasu (sayf) Dewrite (talk) 15:40, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Getty, Dobymy Mabrouk Jomode Elie (2018). Teda, Tubu, Tebou, Toubou: La Civilisation (in French). Tubu Academy Press. ISBN 978-0-692-10399-9.

Question from Clueth (10:38, 12 August 2025)

Is there a special mark up for expired links in citations, or do I just remove them? --Clueth (talk) 10:38, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Clueth ^{[dead link]} (Template:Dead link), perhaps? The really helpful thing to do with a dead link is to find a live version and add it to the cite, via Internet Archive or some other way. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:45, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Jenni2025 on Honda Center (18:28, 14 August 2025)

Hello I was wondering in reference to the Honda center history, I just wanted to add that there was a concert that they forgot to list . Low rider slow jams concert … it was huge . With many big names performing. Gene chandler amongst many more . I went to it . Anyways if I’m bothering you an apologize. I wanted to add it but I see that I’m not proficient enough to add on my own and there fore don’t want to mess anything up. I love wiki and have donated in the past . Bless your heart for being available to all of us . It’s so very important . KNOWLEDGE IS POWER! --Jenni2025 (talk) 18:28, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Jenni2025 Welcome to Wikipedia! Looking at Honda_Center#Notable_events, it's not very WP-good atm, very few citations, ideally every item should be cited to a review in a newspaper or something like that. But this isn't the case, so there is no reason you shouldn't be WP:BOLD and add your concert as well. Go for it! A new Wikipedian has to start somewhere. WP:TUTORIAL is a good beginner guide on how to edit, and if you do find a reference for the concert, it tells you how to add references as well. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:47, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your words of encouragement. I do agree one must start somewhere. I will definitely read up on it.thank you again. Jenni2025 (talk) 19:41, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Jenni2025, you might find this video helpful: Become a Wikipedian in 30 minutes. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:13, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Honda Center

i am historian, Work about Toubou people believe Wikipedia lost credibility because many fake source about Kanem Bornu and Toubou People.

The grandsons of the emperors of Kanem and Bornu live today in Niger, Chad, Nigeria, and Libya, as documented in the Kirgam book.

The Kanem-Bornu Empire was never located in eastern Chad or Sudan, and its rulers were not from Yemen. They were Black Muslims. The emperors were mostly Toumaghra Toubou who spoke Kanembu. The ruling dynasty, Al Kinimi, often had maternal lineage tracing to Arabs from Murzuq.

In the Toubou language, “Kinimi” means “the small.” All emperors carried Toubou and Kanembu names, often followed by Arabic names after converting to Islam. For example: Dunama Dabbalemi — in Teda, Duna means “the strength but the one who holds,” Dubla means “foundation,” and Mi means “the son.” These are entirely Toubou (Teda) words.

Many rulers bore both Toubou and Arabic names, with the Arabic names reflecting their Islamic faith. Words like Daguwa or Ducu/Docuwa mean “descendant” in Toubou.

Importantly, they were not Zaghawa.

Since 1990, when the Zaghawa took political power in Chad, there has been an effort to create a new historical narrative portraying them as central to the Kanem-Bornu Empire. This modern “legend” conflicts with documented history. Historical sources — including the Kirgam chronicles, show that the emperors of Kanem and Bornu were predominantly Toumaghra Toubou who spoke Kanembu, with the Al Kinimi dynasty firmly rooted in Toubou culture and language. The Zaghawa, whose historical homeland lies in Sudan, had no ruling role in Kanem-Bornu. Dewrite (talk) 20:01, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to discuss improvement of a specific WP-article, start with that article's talkpage. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:12, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

kanem Bournu and Toubou Dewrite (talk) 20:14, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

my aerea work, Niger, Chad, Libya, Nigeria, Sudan, i try fixed Kaneb Bornou and Toubou people. Dewrite (talk) 20:18, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Auditor aura farming (12:46, 15 August 2025)

hello --Auditor aura farming (talk) 12:46, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Did you have a question about editing Wikipedia? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:57, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I will stop helping or donating to Wikipedia.

I am Toubou, from the Dunama branch, and I know my history.

Wikipedia is supporting false information created by Sudanese interests to build a stronger historical claim for themselves.

Kanem-Bornu has no link to the Zaghawa people.

Kanem-Bornu was a Kanembu and Toubou kingdom, with no connection to eastern Chad or Sudan. Dewrite (talk) 19:55, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kanem Bornu empire Kanebu et Toubou, il ne sont pas des zaghawa du Sudan

To understand the origins

The grandsons of the emperors of Kanem and Bornu live today in Niger, Chad, Nigeria, and Libya, as Kirgam's book attests.

The Kanem-Bornu empire was never located east of Chad or Sudan, and its rulers were not originally from Yemen. They were Black Muslims. The emperors were mainly Toumaghra Toubou who spoke Kanembu. The ruling dynasty, Al Kinimi, often had a maternal lineage tracing back to the Murzuq Arabs.

In the Toubu language, "Kinimi" means "the small one." All the emperors bore Toubu and Kanembu names, often followed by Arabic names after their conversion to Islam. For example: Dunama Dabbalemi, in Teda, Duna means "strength, but the one who holds," Dubla means "foundation," and Mi means "son." These are entirely Toubou (Teda) words.

Many rulers bore both Toubou and Arabic names, the latter reflecting their Islamic faith. Words like Daguwa or Ducu/Docuwa mean "descendant" in Toubou.

It is important to note that they were not Zaghawa.

Since 1990, when the Zaghawa seized political power in Chad, efforts have been made to create a new historical narrative presenting them as a central element of the Kanem-Bornu empire. This modern "legend" is at odds with documented history. Historical sources, notably the Kirgam Chronicles, show that the emperors of Kanem and Bornu were predominantly Kanembu-speaking Toumaghra Toubou, with the Al Kinimi dynasty firmly rooted in Toubou culture and language. The Zaghawa, whose historical territory lies in Sudan, held no leadership role in Kanem-Bornu.

Source Teda, Tubu, Tebou, Toubou: La Civilisation (French Edition) - Softcover Jomode Elie Getty, Dobymy Mabrouk.

Tchad / libye · la querelle des frontieres ; Livraison GRATUITE 30 août - 5 septembre. Détails ; Vendu par CultuRum ; ISBN-10, 2865370453 ; ISBN-13, 978-2865370450

Le Tchad Depuis 25 000 Ans. Geologie, Archeologie, Hydrogeologie Broché – 1 avril 1994 de Jean-Louis Schneider (Auteur) Dewrite (talk) 20:54, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to discuss improvement of a specific WP-article, start with that article's talkpage. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 04:24, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

this persone chadian regime

Waziri, Ibrahim Maina (2023). "The Chima Fiefdom System in Kanem-Bornu and its Transformation into District Head Administration in British Borno, Northern Nigeria (19th and 20th Centuries)" (PDF). Joseph C. Miller Memorial Lecture Series. 16. doi:10.53179/9783868934465.

Zehnle, Stephanie (2017). "Baguirmi". African Kingdoms: An Encyclopedia of Empires and Civilizations. ABC-CLIO. ISBN 978-1-61069-579-4. Dewrite (talk) 04:43, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is not an article talkpage. Talk:Kanem–Bornu Empire is an article talkpage. You can also try the talkpages of Wikiprojects like Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa and Wikipedia:WikiProject Nigeria, perhaps you can find editors interested in the subject there. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 04:52, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Lemonlimecat (14:46, 19 August 2025)

Hey, can you help me deploy a couple of redirect pages? See my sandbox. I’m on mobile so I’m not sure but I assume my new account cannot create pages yet.

It’s been many years so I forget all the templates and stuff, but I was an editor and admin in the 2000s :) lost access to my account. Fix my RCAT if needed. Thanks! --Lemonlimecat (talk) 14:46, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can’t remember if redirects are case sensitive which is why I have 2 listed there Lemonlimecat (talk) 14:48, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Lemonlimecat Done. You're correct, you can make these when you're WP:AUTOCONFIRMed. I use the Help:Redirect#With_Template to do that, myself. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:19, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Jeri1984 on User:Jeri1984 (13:04, 21 August 2025)

How do I complete my Wikipedia to be seen I can't tell if it's complete or not! --Jeri1984 (talk) 13:04, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Jeri1984 Hello! User:Jeri1984 is your WP:USERPAGE, it's meant to, if you like, say something about you and what you do as a Wikipedian.

What you've written so far has no chance of being accepted as WP-article. Making an acceptable WP-article without knowing how to edit WP is hard. A common advice is to "just" edit for a while first, to try to get a hang of this place.

That said, your first hurdle is "Can a WP-article about your chosen subject be written at all?" Start with reading WP:BACKWARD. If you conclude "Yeah, I have those sources, no problem!", move on to WP:YFA. If your choice of topic fails WP:N, the article will not be accepted. If you decide to go ahead, you need to learn how to add references correctly, WP:TUTORIAL can help with that. This is crucial, and I can't stress that enough. Really. Since you intend to write about a living person, read WP:BLP. If you intend to write about yourself (WP:COI), the short advice is "don't." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:09, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:DATED

Hello. You added As of August 2025 to the note about self-identified pronouns on Raegan Revord. Why didn't you use the template {{as of}} to generate "As of August 2025^[update]"...? (You even referenced MOS:DATED directly which tells you to use the templates?!) Asking here because I don't consider it worth breaking my current no-edit streak while we have open discussions on talk. CapnZapp (talk) 11:31, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not used to that template and I don't think I've ever used it. And hopefully, "will need future updates" is incorrect. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:34, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's really useful in that it avoids leaving dated statements to "fossilize". And it's simple to use! CapnZapp (talk) 12:12, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

{{asof|2025|8}} produces As of August 2025^[update] (my emphasis). If you want to put the template in the middle of a sentence, like just now, set the lowercase parameter to y or yes: |lc=y. Thus {{asof|2025|8|lc=y}} produces as of August 2025^[update] with a lower-case first letter.

The template also accepts dates with less and more precision: {{asof|2025}} produces just the year: As of 2025^[update] and {{asof|2025|8|23}} produces day, month, year: As of 23 August 2025^[update]. Happy editing! CapnZapp (talk) 12:12, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Anyway, as you know we say things like "as of" precisely to hedge our bets on the "hopefully" part of your statement, so that in the unfortunate case the hope is dashed, the statement doesn't become a falsehood. Using the template means editors can easily identify articles with such possibly-quite-dated claims, so we have a shot at revisiting them and potentially updating them. Cheers CapnZapp (talk) 12:12, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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