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To-do list for User:DankJae: edit · history · watch · refresh · Updated 2024-01-04 This to-do list would also serve as a check list of things done, completed tasks will not be removed for the time being. Strikethrough entries, means either, started but revoked, not attempted, or created by other editors. Ambitious I know, but like can be done over years. As of See also: User talk:DankJae/tasks Here are some tasks awaiting attention: Article requests : UK-related articles Devo-scepticism, sceptic of devolution, in particular Welsh devolution (may redirect to a new section at Devolution) Network North Wales-related articles Welsh Cabinet positions Anglesey AONB Gower AONB Llŷn AONB Wales Rail Board, forum of transport authorities involving railways in Wales North Wales Transport Commission, forum for transport strategies in North Wales Growing Mid Wales, growth deal for Mid Wales Welsh Government roads review North–South divide (Wales) (currently redirect), may be part of a salvaged Geography and identity in Wales? Sherpa'r Wyddfa Flintshire Red Route Third Severn Crossing Language policy in Wales or Language policy in the United Kingdom Red Wall (Welsh football) Cardiff congestion charge Cymru (redirects to Wales) Quilting in Wales Ecology of Wales Snooker in Wales Tennis in Wales Environment of Wales Environmentalism in Wales Welsh Government Cabinet Poverty in Wales List of richest people in Wales Wealth in Wales Personal income in Wales Welsh sculpture Welsh economic policy Welsh language policy Welsh environmental policy Immigration to Wales Local-related articles Henllan Bakery, bakery company in Denbighshire – Not done for now Net World Sports, sporting equipment supplier – Not done for now Boundary Lane, road in Saltney, forming part of the Wales-England border — N Not done and not likely to be done, expand at Saltney instead. Deeside Industrial Park Colliers Park, training ground in Gresford Wrexham Symphony Orchestra Acton Park, Wrexham Llay Industrial Estate Pant-yr-ochain Pools 2011 Wrexham National Eisteddfod Wrexham Feast (formerly Wrexham Food Festival and Wrexham Food and Drink Festival) Minera Mountain Wrexham country houses at List of country houses in the United Kingdom

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Hello, I see you've edited this template. I've been trying to add British fashion, together with sub-pages from Category:British fashion, but for the life of me I can't get it right. Would you mind having a look at it for me please. Many thanks. Obscurasky (talk) 21:16, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Obscurasky, added in this edit. Couldn't see anything under Category:British fashion to be an national topic or overview so only added British fashion. Thanks for the article, nonetheless.

Try not to use [[Category:British fashion]] on userpages (like this one) as it tagged my page under the category. So best remove it from your sandbox (as appears on the category page) and only add it to actual articles. Understandable mistake however!

Thanks. DankJae 22:10, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thank you. Much appreciated. Obscurasky (talk) 22:29, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Whatever next …

Vineyards in the Vale of Clwyd. There is definitely something up with the weather. KJP1 (talk) 07:00, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Clwydian Wine" wasn't something I thought I'll ever say! DankJae 20:38, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you...

		The Original Barnstar
		Thankyou for your excellent new article on the 2025 Wrexham National Eisteddfod, which highlighted a big gap in English Wikipedia's coverage of the Eisteddfod and gave me encouragement to do something similar Sionk (talk) 09:29, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

appreciated! Diolch DankJae 18:22, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hi DankJae. Thank you for your work on 2025 Wrexham National Eisteddfod. Another editor, Klbrain, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:

Thanks for creating a page for the 2025 National Eisteddfod, which is culturally important in Wales. I had wondered about having the work 'Wrexham' in the title (is it actually necessary), but note that this is the official name of the event and consistent with the style used elsewhere. There aren't many years with separate pages, but it seems likely that each could be well-justified.

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Klbrain (talk) 20:01, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ey up

Hey Jae! I'm pleased you've been able to comment over at Big Ben and appreciate your contributions, so please don't take this as an attempt to put you off, but I can tell you're not enjoying the discussion much.

I know it can sometimes feel like we have an obligation to engage in discussions, but we really don't. I've been trying to be more considered about when to join the fray recently, and while there's still the urge to jump in if I really disagree with a point, waiting a day or even a few hours before deciding whether to so or not really takes the heat out of things. Sometimes my opinion isn't needed, and if it is then can express myself because I've given my response more thought.

If you look at Big Ben as an example, there was a pretty intense discussion last year that didn't lead to much. A year later I still think the lead sentence could be improved, so I've opened a discussion, but leaving that gap and then not rushing the new discussion has, I think, made things a lot calmer. Regardless of the outcome of the current discussion I'll be able to walk away feeling that I've made an honest attempt to improve things, and it's certainly my intention to let the issue lie after its conclusion.

I'm not saying any of this because you're heated or because I don't want you to participate – we've agreed and disagreed very amicably across a lot of articles and I'm happy you've contributed at Big Ben. Rather, I can just sense a bit of frustration and wanted to share how I've dealt with similar feelings. Hope you don't mind! All the best, A.D.Hope (talk) 08:55, 28 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You made a clearly controversial edit on something that has been discussed before, applying WP:WEAKSILENCE is not enough considering it has been discussed before, you did not advertise the discussion and only left it on for a few days before applying it. So I had to raise opposition because you've overridden the past one so eagerly. Just focus on discussion for this at this point, if it leads to nothing being agreed, just WP:LETITGO. May be better to set the discussion in a way that it can be clear what specific lead can garner support so it can create a consensus and be clearer to any editor, as the past discussions are just a mix of everything.

Once again, happy to consider alternatives if it can garner some consensus, but past discussions led to no new lead being agreed. Yes, consensus can change but that must change first before the lead. You've been overriding the lead and being reverted multiple times now. DankJae 11:07, 28 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not here to start an alternative Big Ben discussion or to defend my actions there (so in hindsight it possibly wasn't the best example to go with). I've already said I'm going to WP:LETITGO after the current discussion winds up, regardless of the outcome.

What I did want to check is whether you're alright and enjoying editing overall. As I say, I've noticed that you've expressed frustration in the Big Ben discussion and wondered if that was specific to that discussion or a more general thing. If it's with me specifically then I'd like to see if we can find some sort of understanding, if you're up for it. A.D.Hope (talk) 11:24, 28 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just like respecting consensus that all, the main issue is you changed the lead without it. No actual issue with you raising a discussion itself.... again, but confused why you're so fixated on it. Not everyone can agree on everything, everyone makes edits that can be disputed, this is just one of them. It being an important article just raises the stakes a bit, no other issues. Although recently I had to do more maintaining rather than creating like I wanted too, on less time than before, so that may appear in my words unintentionally. Hope you're well. DankJae 11:50, 28 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If the crux of the issue is that I edited the lead sentence after opening the current discussion, I saw that as a variant of WP:BRD and was expecting to be reverted. It was just a way to draw attention to the discussion, which had been open for a week at that point with no reponse. On reflection I should just have advertised the discussion, but I hope my actions overall show I'm not trying to impose that sentence on the article.

I totally get editing feeling like a slog when you're doing more maintenance than creating, I'm sure we've all been there. I wonder if this relates to what I was saying earlier about feeling an obligation to do things. There are articles I keep an eye on, but ultimately we're all volunteers and it's not our sole responsibility to keep on top of things; if I can't get round to maintaining or fixing something for a while that's just how it is. When you have less time to edit it's fine to reduce your workload.

I'm doing alright, ta. I've just finished an article on some medieval vestments after putting it off for a bit, and I've had some input on the new article about the Cumbria flag! A.D.Hope (talk) 12:04, 28 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@A.D.Hope, well you made a similar edit last year, so clearly the edit is controversial, so would be better raising a (well-advertised) discussion and pinging anyone involved to form a consensus. Rather than WP:SILENCE which is a very weak argument/consensus for a clearly repeating dispute that has been shown opposition.

Thanks for your efforts elsewhere. DankJae 14:14, 28 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I'm quite happy to hold my hands up and admit that advertising the discussion would have been better. I'm a bit on the fence about pinging previous participants, as while I'm happy for anyone to participate that can sometimes just result in a rehash of the previous discussion. I don't think I was previously aware of WP:SILENCE as a specific policy, but I was fully expecting to be challenged on the edit so didn't assume the lack of comment meant consensus.

Believe it or not I am trying to do more editing than discussing, so cheers. It's been enjoyable, and I hope you can get back to it sooner rather than later. A.D.Hope (talk) 17:06, 28 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnonyms

Hello,

We do not use "common titles", whatever this means, when speaking ethnographically on Gypsies/Romanies. There are established ethnonyms (Romanichal, Kaale, Sinti etc.) which are in use and are recorded in Romani Studies. Among Romani professors and independent researchers, we do not use the term English Roma for Romanichal, Finnish Roma for Kaale or German Roma for Sinti etc. Each of these groups has their own specific endonym and many do not identify nor did they use Roma as an ethnonym.

Roma is the umbrella term of the European Union to designate all Romani subgroups but it has no real life application. This application of the term is should not be confused with their [Kaale] real life ethnonym.

Romani sub-groups have very specific ethno-terminology and we researchers are working hard to simplify and correct incorrect Wikipedia articles which confound ethnonyms. The common designation is Kaale, not Finnish Roma.

In good faith,

Romani Researcher RomaniResearcher (talk) 17:31, 9 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia article titles do use WP:COMMONNAMES not official/preferred names. It makes sense to be consistent and neutral (under WP:POVNAMING) to use the same name as per that article. I note you use "proper endonym" in your edit summaries, and it sounds like you're WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS, which is not allowed on Wikipedia. We follow sources, collectively all of them, we only alter use of names and such when most sources do so. That's why it is Germans not Deutsche, and Welsh people not Cymry, even if they may prefer such. If any of those articles have move discussions changing their names, then I am happy for them to be used then following their new titles, but no discussion has been raised or supported in an RM.

Please note you also expanded Welsh Romani language without sources. I restored an older version, but opened a discussion and hope for any to be re-added with sources. Please add sources to prove your points. DankJae 18:10, 9 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Glyndŵr NP

Hey Jae! I know you'd never claim ownership of a page, but I know you've put most of the work into creating and updating Glyndŵr National Park and so wanted to reassure you that I'm not trying to muscle in with my last edit to the lead. I hope you think it's an improvement, and I'm happy to discuss any issues at the article talk page. A.D.Hope (talk) 14:38, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No issues from me, nothing controversial there, in the end it does have a name now and luckily only one name. Would've done it eventually anyway.

Although I do usually capitalise Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty, as its article talk sided with capitalisation. It is a more specific term, but nothing urgent. DankJae 15:52, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fab – I've capitalised AONB, so no issues there. Now the park has a name it does seem sensible to use it, and like you I'm glad it's just the one name! A.D.Hope (talk) 16:12, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]