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Do you mind moving the playing career above coaching? For example, Jason Taylor (American football). Chronologically, the playing career should go first. I'll leave some more notes if I see anything else. Thanks! ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 06:33, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done —Zackmann (^Talk to me/What I been doing) 07:03, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Do you mind unbolding the years at Duane Forde? Those usually aren't bolded.  Done—Zackmann (^Talk to me/What I been doing) 07:06, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] @Dissident93: I think you broke something. The years are bolded again (Steve Taylor (Canadian football)) ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 22:05, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] It's fixed now. Should the CFL format shown on Taylor's page the NFL's? I.E., "Calgary Stampeders (1991–1996)" instead of "1991–1996 blank space Calgary Stampeders" — Dissident93 ^(talk) 22:13, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] @Dissident93: Yes, I'm planning on having a bot fix those year spans. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 23:09, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] At Allen Pitts, there is no Career info header. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 06:38, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done —Zackmann (^Talk to me/What I been doing) 07:31, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] "CFL" parameter not working at Joel Dublanko. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 07:07, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done—Zackmann (^Talk to me/What I been doing) 07:19, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Could you remove Status from the career info section at Jayden Daniels? It's the same thing as Roster status in the career history section.  Done —Zackmann (^Talk to me/What I been doing) 07:35, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Lowercase "Uniform Number" to "Uniform number". ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 07:29, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done —Zackmann (^Talk to me/What I been doing) 07:32, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] This one might be tricky but could you hide "uniform number" for active players since it is already in the header? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 07:38, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Challenge accepted (Barney Stinson quote…) --Zackmann (^Talk to me/What I been doing) 07:40, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done Cmon WikiOriginal-9, give me a hard one. —Zackmann (^Talk to me/What I been doing) 07:44, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] That looks great. Thanks. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 07:51, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Can you reactivate the "statleague" parameter? Travis Jonsen's infobox should say "Career XFL statistics". ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 07:53, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done —Zackmann (^Talk to me/What I been doing) 08:02, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Sederrik Cunningham's infobox is displaying Pro Football Reference twice. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 08:08, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done —Zackmann (^Talk to me/What I been doing) 20:48, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Move "pastadmin" under "pastexecutive". ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 08:11, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done—Zackmann (^Talk to me/What I been doing) 20:59, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] "awards" and "CFLWestAllStar" not displaying at Chris Getzlaf. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 20:45, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done —Zackmann (^Talk to me/What I been doing) 20:54, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Pro Football Reference not appearing at Steven Dunbar. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 00:22, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Not done it actually does appear just in the career highlight and awards section. — Zackmann (^Talk to me/What I been doing) 07:41, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Can we make "CFL" and "PFR" display the same as cfl and pfr? See the differences at Trevor Harris and Johnny Manziel to see what I mean. Thank you. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:28, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 03:15, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Can we make import appear in the same spot as cflstatus? They're actually the same thing but coded differently. Import was from the CFL infobox and cflstatus was from the NFL infobox. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:40, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done - Zackmann (^Talk to me/What I been doing) 07:40, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Can we remove the piped link for "import"? Notice at Alijah McGhee how it is a blue link. It doesn't actually lead to anything useful though. Thanks. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:42, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done -Zackmann (^Talk to me/What I been doing) 07:21, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] I'm not sure if this is related to the merge or not but Herschel Walker's image is displaying twice (infobox is embedded). ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 02:16, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done WikiOriginal-9 this was actually a really interesting one. If you are interested, check out this diff. Basically the template was automatically fetching the image and caption from wikidata. I changed it so it will only do that if embed is NOT “yes”. GREAT find on your part. That is a super weird edge case. Requires both that the template is embeded and that the page in question have a photo on wikidata. Thanks for finding that. —Zackmann (^Talk to me/What I been doing) 07:32, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] @Dissident93: Sorry for being annoying D93 but I think you broke the stat links at Trevor Harris. Earlier today, CFL.ca, ArenaFan, and Pro Football Reference were all displaying but now its only PFR (and it's displaying twice). All these parameters are confusing, I know. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 23:12, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] I reverted to the version that had them until I can get them more like the former NFL one. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 23:25, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Could we just remove the "hand" parameter? It's not really necessary. The NFL infobox didn't use it. Hand is just a old holdover from the old gridiron football person/CFL infobox. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 23:36, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Could you or somebody more familiar with the CFL provide a list of what parameters to remove that won't harm backwards compatibility? — Dissident93 ^(talk) 00:03, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] I’m going to let Dissident93 roll with the ball for a bit on further improvements to this template as they have a better grasp on what needs to be done. I have pretty good technical knowledge but I confess I’m not a big gridiron football fan myself so probably better to give someone else the ball for a bit. If I can be helpful, please don’t hesitate to {{ping}} me! —Zackmann (^Talk to me/What I been doing) 00:13, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Most all of them are necessary at the moment. Unless you wanted a bot to go through and convert the parameter names. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 00:45, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 03:14, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] @Dissident93:, please re-add the CIS parameter. That is used on all the CFL pages (Russ Jackson). ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 00:50, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] It wasn't being shown due to bad logic. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 01:03, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] It's still not showing (Russ Jackson). To be clear, I'm talking about CIS (the capitilized version), not cis. CIS was used on the CFL infobox and cis was from the NFL infobox. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:09, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Yeah, I didn't think it was case sensitive. It's there now. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 01:11, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 03:14, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Also, can we hide cflstatus and import for inactive players? Thanks. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 02:01, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Which inactive player is that showing for? I'm trying to see now if displaying roster and CFL status more like the offseason/PS note would be an improvement. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 02:19, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] It's on every CFL player (Keith Smith (quarterback)). The CFL infobox always displayed it for retired players but it's not really necessary now that we have nationality in the lead sentences. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 02:30, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] It's the import parameter. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 02:32, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Is it still doing it? The infobox looks the same to me with it empty and set to yes. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 03:21, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] No, you fixed it. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 03:23, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 03:13, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Roster status: Active not displaying at Trevor Harris. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 03:13, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 03:15, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] "Playing" heading not displaying at Lui Passaglia. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 03:20, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done — Dissident93 ^(talk) 03:26, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Roster status in wrong spot at Vernon Adams. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 03:33, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done — Dissident93 ^(talk) 03:55, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Vernon Adams: "NFL draft 2016: Undraftedth round" ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 03:47, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] These type of issues might require bot fixing due to the way they are formatted. Some sort of bandaid fix could work in the meantime perhaps, what do you think? — Dissident93 ^(talk) 03:59, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] I just typed "Undraftedth" in the Wikipedia search bar and fixed the other 8 manually. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 04:04, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 04:04, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] I assumed there were 50+, that's good to know. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 04:17, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] "import" not displaying at Vernon Adams. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 04:05, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done — Dissident93 ^(talk) 04:17, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] import is displaying on retired players again (Andre Durie) ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 04:18, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done Apparently the official term the CFL prefers for these type of statuses is "designation", so should |cflstatus= display that? Right now it's used for |import=. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 04:25, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] They should both say the same thing, whatever you decide. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 04:32, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] I only ask since I didn't know if they had another use. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 04:39, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Andre Durie says "Position(s)" instead of "Position" ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 04:24, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] That's because he has |position1= and |position2= set. I can make it always display Position like it used too. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 04:27, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] I'll let you decide. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 04:29, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done I'll just mark this done. You can do as you like with this one. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 13:06, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Dissident93 Just a note. Some of the changes being made are causing pages to repopulate Category:Pages using infobox gridiron football biography with unknown parameters (0). Just be aware that some of the params you are removing ARE still in use. —Zackmann (^Talk to me/What I been doing) 06:08, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Dissident93 this diff in particular has removed a lot of information from the template and is affecting hundreds and hundreds of pages. I would encourage you to seek broader input and consensus before removing this much information from the Infobox. Typically when a merger is done, it is ESSENTIAL that all information is maintained unless it is clearly spelled out in the TFD that certain information will be removed with the merge. I greatly appreciate your cleanup but in this particular instance I think you should revert the change. — Zackmann (^Talk to me/What I been doing) 09:51, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] "amateur_title" and "amateur_team" should be added back at least. That's the parameter for Canadian Junior Football League players (some of whom never played college football.) ProBowls should probably be added back to (just temporarily) until we convert them to bulleted lists. As for the "Drafted by" team parameters, the NFL infobox didn't use those so that's okay to remove. Not going to split hairs over that one. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:08, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Vernon Cole does look weird though when the only thing the AFL draft line says now is "AFL draft 1960" ... ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 14:41, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] I've re-added them for now. Could any of them be merged into newer parameters to clean up the code? — Dissident93 ^(talk) 02:58, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done I'll just mark this as done. We'll need a bot to do any parameter conversions. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:53, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Thoughts on adding nflstatlabel1 and nflstatvalue1, etc. parameters like the other leagues? That might be useful now since the NFL portion of the infobox doesn't default to "Career NFL statistics" anymore. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 13:05, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] NFL can be displayed by default again by checking NFL-specific parameters, if that's what you mean. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 03:17, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] How could we do that? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 03:27, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] The previous way displayed NFL by default if |statsleague= was empty, but now it could be done by checking to see if |draftyear= or |undrafted= are used. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 03:54, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] I actually just added undrafted to a few CFL players in the last few days so that might not be a long-term solution. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 04:02, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done I'll just mark this as done. Looks like you fixed it for the most part. Any weird outliers can just fixed manually. It doesn't necessarily matter though. If someone has only ever played in the NFL, it should be obvious what the stats are referring to. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:54, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] A bunch more of the "Undraftedth" popped up. It does look like we need to devise some sort of fix. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 14:37, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done I fixed the 190 others manually. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 15:19, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Due to the old CFL formatting, the practice squad note at Eric Starczala doesn't match with the status notes. Like I said above, we need to get a bot to convert the CFL format of playing_years1, playing_team1 to the NFL bulleted list format. I did make a bot request a few weeks ago at Wikipedia:Bot_requests#Finish_merging_Template:Infobox_Canadian_Football_League_biography. Not sure if Primefac is still planning on working on it since the merge is pretty much complete now. The NFL project did used to have BU RoBOT for gridiron tasks but the operator retired. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:47, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] career_footnotes that was removed is still used on CFL formatted pages for the practice squad note. See Eric Starczala. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 03:16, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] I'm assuming that was the main use for it? I'll add the * note logic to the playing_team parameters. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 03:21, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:57, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] It seems the "Career information" section that Template:Infobox NFL biography used to have after "Personal information" has now been swapped. One side effect is that |high_school=, as documented at Template:Infobox NFL biography/doc, did not duplicate information that was already at |birthplace= e.g. HS didn't put city if the HS name matched the birthplace. But now for example at Chuck Muncie, his HS, Uniontown is shown first w/o the city, but his birthplace of Uniontown, Pennsylvania, isn't shown until later. Should the order be switched back to like before?—Bagumba (talk) 08:32, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Yes, I think it should be the same as before like at Muncie. That seems to be what everyone is upset about at WT:NFL. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:08, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] So the exact same order as before? I'll set it to that for now and see if I can find a better arrangement. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 16:17, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 00:31, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Number displaying twice at Vannie Albanese. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:09, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Honestly, the practice squad note did look better before when it was a different color than the roster status like Jrooster said. See here. It should probably be moved back up to the same position as before as well. It is a little awkward when there is an asterisk but the reader has to go down to the very bottom of the infobox to see what it means. At Eric Starczala, it is under both roster status and cflstatus so the reader has to keep digging to find out what the * is for. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:26, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Is the issue with the roster status format or just the offseason/PS note being further down because of it? I was experimenting earlier moving the roster statuses back into a proper label in another section. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 16:34, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] @Dissident93: At Donovan Edwards, I would: 1. Move the PS note above roster status 2. Make the roster status text black to better distinguish it from the PS note. If we're worried about space, we can move CFL status up to the "Career information" section under the draft info. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:41, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 00:30, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Can you make anyone that has both the "CIS" and "CFL" parameters (the capitalized versions only since those are from the CFL infobox) display the stat section as "Career CFL statistics"? Thanks. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 13:10, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done — Dissident93 ^(talk) 17:57, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Statleague parameter not working at Vannie Albanese. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 14:26, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done — Dissident93 ^(talk) 17:14, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Darian Durant: "Career information" header is displaying twice and position is in wrong spot. It's because there is no number listed. I tested it. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:02, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 00:30, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Vannie Albanese has two headers called "Career information" now with different information. Might as well just move uniform number back up to the top header like it used to be... Then active and retired players would both have the same format. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:09, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] The last two should be fixed now. I never understood why the number was moved from there anyway, but I'll see how it looks back there again. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 18:59, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 00:30, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Why does Darian Durant say "Team information"?? That's where the uniform number goes. That's what it used to look like. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:59, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] The section covers position, number, and roster statuses. The number going back to the header would solve the phrasing issue. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 19:00, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] It seems lost from the TfD close that the nom said These should be merged, with the CFL infobox redirected to the NFL infobox, and the NFL infobox then renamed to Template:Infobox gridiron football biography, and most !votes said "per nom". It seems we should be retaining the old NFL ibx style, when there is overlap. —Bagumba (talk) 19:07, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Yes, that was my intent. To get rid of the CFL infobox by making sure that the old CFL parameters match up with the NFL infobox (which ZM and D93 have done an excellent job with; far above their pay grade of $0). I didn't actually propose any changes to the NFL format except the addition of the Canadian Junior Football League parameter. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 19:13, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Oops, I only intended to make a general comment, and didn't mean to imply you were proposing changes away from the legacy NFL format. —Bagumba (talk) 19:17, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] No worries, I 100% understood that's what you meant. I haven't proposed any new changes. Just making sure all the parameters work right. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 19:19, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] I had thought maybe "Team information" was from the CFL ibx, but apparently not.—Bagumba (talk) 19:27, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] No, it's not. The CFL players look a lot better now (as we can see by your link, lol). the only thing that needs changed on Mr. Durant to make it match the NFL format is replacing "Team information" with the jersey number. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 19:37, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Assuming |position= is the first parameter listed below the image (at all times), what should the section be called if a number is missing? "Team information" was the first thing I brainstormed to differentiate it from the others. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 21:57, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] The positions for free agents without numbers used to go in the career info section... hmm that's kind of awkward too tho. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 22:04, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Yeah, I've tried a few different arrangements and there's something not ideal about all of them. I personally like the career stuff (position, roster status, draft position) in the first section, but the infobox standard (and seemingly consensus) is for the personal information (birthdate, measurements) to be displayed first or just below the position. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 22:51, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Numbers are now displayed in the first section header like they used to pre-2022, with position and roster statuses below it. The section name now defaults to "Profile" if a number isn't input. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 00:07, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 00:29, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Chris Getzlaf: draft and college in "Personal information". Every "fix" keeps breaking more stuff lol... ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 19:53, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Is that the CJFL label? — Dissident93 ^(talk) 21:58, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] I'm not sure what's causing it, sorry. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 22:01, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] I see University, CJFL, and CFL draft listed. Was the issue fixed? — Dissident93 ^(talk) 22:53, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] No, everything is still in the personal section. There is supposed to be a "Career information" section but it's missing. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 23:02, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done — Dissident93 ^(talk) 00:22, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Is the "National" CFL designation just used for native Canadian players? If it doesn't have any special value beyond that, then |import=no (which applies that) could be removed. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 00:29, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] |import=no is used on a lot of pages still, so it can't be removed until we have a bot do parameter conversions. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 00:33, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] "CFL designation" is wrapping to two lines at Dhel Duncan-Busby. Perhaps we should change it back to "CFL status"? That's what it used to say. "Status" is what it says on the CFL.ca profiles as well. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 00:37, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] So "National" is a proper status that should still be shown? — Dissident93 ^(talk) 01:49, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Yes, the three statuses are National, American, and Global. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:51, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Should it be displayed above the generic roster status then? — Dissident93 ^(talk) 02:12, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] No, it's perfect where it is now. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 02:14, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] I moved it before seeing this comment as it's a league-wide designation as compared to a team-only one. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 02:21, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 02:14, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Thoughts on having player position and number in the career info section for active coaches like on NBA bios (Billy Donovan). It's always been a pet peeve of mine that people like Jim Harbaugh don't have quarterback in the infobox anywhere. I envision playing_position and coaching_position parameters. When they are both filled, the playing position and number will move to the career info section. When the coaching position becames blank again, the playing position is moved back up to the top with the number again. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 03:23, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] That's always bothered me too. Would a bot be needed to move any former playing positions hidden in the |position= parameter to a new |career_position=? Perhaps "Position" could be relabeled "Role" or something for coaches too? — Dissident93 ^(talk) 00:52, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] I've thought about this some more and I think we should just add a playing_position_for_coaches parameter. This would place the playing position and number in the career info section. That coaching/playing parameter swapping method I mentioned above would cause a lot of bot spam because it would affect literally every gridiron bio. There are also some coaches where I think the playing position should stay in the career info section permanently. For example, John Madden's infobox has always looked very strange to me how it says offensive tackle at the very top. Literally no one knows him as a 1959 camp body. His player position should stay in the career info section forever. For people who actually played in the NFL, we will just have to move the position back up to the top manually once they retire from coaching. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 06:47, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] John Madden looks weird now. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:21, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] I'm merging the two together so it doesn't take up so much space. Was there something else to the formatting that looks off? — Dissident93 ^(talk) 01:41, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] I'm just talking about all of the white space. Playing position and playing number are both wrapping to two lines, creating a ton of white space. See John Madden. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:45, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] The parameters share one line now. Any other suggestions? — Dissident93 ^(talk) 01:54, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] The white space is still kind of annoying me at Jim Harbaugh. Maybe we should just call it "Position" like on NBA bios (Billy Donovan) and move it under the draft info sandwiched in between his playing career so it's plainly obvious that it's his playing position. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 02:39, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done - looks good to me. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 02:45, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] It's supported in {{Infobox basketball biography}}. Engineerchange brought this up before at Template_talk:Infobox_NFL_biography/Archive_18#Player_position_for_playing_years?. —Bagumba (talk) 07:11, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] For |position2, 3, 4, etc, does anyone know how to make those lowercase automatically? For example, see here where the second position of linebacker should be lowercase, not capitilized. I added Template:Nocaps in the sandbox and that did make it lowercase but it had the drawback of causing the link to be removed: linebacker → linebacker). ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 15:08, 12 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done, nocaps had to be put before Infobox gridiron football biography/position. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 06:15, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] In regards to Category:Pages using infobox gridiron football biography with unknown parameters, most of those are just the old career_footnotes parameter for the practice squad note, which was replaced by the practice squad note becoming automatically generated with an asterisk*. So, if there is a bot run later, we need to remove these. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 15:53, 12 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] We still need to decide which parameters should be removed/merged before we run a bot cleanup. I don't see a reason to keep the other league |drafted_by= parameters if we don't use this for the NFL, but I'm not sure how the CFL award parameters can be dealt with cleanly. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 00:41, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] I've been converting the CFL award parameters manually. I'm about 50% done probably. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:15, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Sounded like a lot of work to be done manually but apparently not, thanks. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 21:47, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Actually, just go ahead and remove all the drafted by parameters. It should be trivial enough to figure out what team someone was drafted by. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 06:59, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Miles Gorrell: "Territorial Protectionth round" ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 22:16, 12 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] I can make it so it only accepts number values, as "Territorial Protection" or the 1960 AFL draft "First Selections" aren't really "rounds". — Dissident93 ^(talk) 00:43, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Ok, just do that. People can read the body if they want more info. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:14, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] I added automatic links for certain roster status like practice squad and injured reserve. The reserve ones have the same icon as the roster templates; I personally like it there but maybe I'm in the minority. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 02:29, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Travis Moore says title instead of position. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 03:37, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done — Dissident93 ^(talk) 04:57, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] undraftedyear (Kurt Warner), cflundraftedyear (Morgen Runge), and aflundraftedyear (Bo Roberson) not working. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:16, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Fixed, a stray divider from a previous cleanup was causing the code not to be seen. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 23:20, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Do you know why the CFL status links you added aren't working at Philippe Lemieux-Cardinal? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 19:39, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Fixed, I had forgotten to actually name it "national". And on second thought, I think CFL status look better below roster statuses. I'd move it back but am not sure what others think of it. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 23:10, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Go ahead and move it back. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 23:41, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done — Dissident93 ^(talk) 00:47, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Can you add 1-game injured list and 6-game injured list to your status notes? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 23:53, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Anything good to link them to? I can add the injury icon at least. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 23:57, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Injured reserve list I guess? It is mentioned there ("the "injured list" in the Canadian Football League (CFL)"). ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 00:00, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Are they usually typed in the parameter as "1-game", "1 game", "1-game injured", or the full "1-game injured list"? — Dissident93 ^(talk) 00:17, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Full. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 00:29, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]  Done - seems like they are the only two CFL-exclusive tags? — Dissident93 ^(talk) 00:47, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Correct. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 00:51, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Can we make a tracking category for anything using the old award parameters (AFLAllStar, CFLAllStar, CFLEastAllStar, CFLWestAllStar, ProBowls, awards, honors , retired #s, records)? I think Awards, Honors, Retired #s, and Records are used as uppercase as well. Thanks. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:45, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] You can alternatively do a search e.g. CFLAllStar should get most (tweak for other All-Star parameters). —Bagumba (talk) 20:35, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Thanks, I actually have been doing a variation of that (I've already converted a lot) but your search is a lot better because mine included a bunch of empty parameters as well. I'll have to save your code. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 21:25, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Could we still make the tracking cat because the search above appears to be missing stuff for some reason. There are 0 results above but if you just search insource: "CFLAllStar" there are still a lot of articles using it. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:57, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] There's a reason I said "should get most" before 😉 Try this, which accounts for calls to templates like {{CFL Year}}. No objection to tracking cats (but they have their limitations too) —Bagumba (talk) 16:10, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Just to be clear, there were 90 hits in that original search, I just converted them all. That's why there are 0 results now, lol. Thanks for the new search. That will probably help me get everything else. Also, how'd you figure that stuff out? Those search codes looks like a foreign language to me ("s*=\s*[\w\{]/"). ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:27, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] I can somewhat hack my way through, but by no means an expert. —Bagumba (talk) 16:47, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Help:Searching looks pretty complicated. lol ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:01, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Fullback at Art Baker is pointing to a dab page even though it is already piped to Fullback (American football). ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 14:09, 18 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Fixed The article was setting the parameter twice.[1] —Bagumba (talk) 15:10, 18 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] Wouldn't this affect every article that uses an older piped link? — Dissident93 ^(talk) 23:47, 18 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] But isn't it legacy behavior to accept a link, at which point it's garbage in, garbage out, depending on what the editor entered? —Bagumba (talk) 00:22, 19 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] D93, take a look at Bagumba's diff again. The dab page was only being linked because the |position parameter was displaying twice. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 00:32, 19 September 2025 (UTC)[reply] I was reading the piped link being the reason for the error and completely missed the actual fix below somehow. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 00:38, 19 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• CIS not displaying at Jonathan Edouard. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 23:42, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  It's because his article has both parameters used. I split them like they used to be, but should one of them have another title if the other is filled? Otherwise we're going to have College and University both listed without their differences being explained anyway. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 03:49, 23 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• @Dissident93: Not sure if this was an existing issue or from the merge, but there a lot of space between the two stats links at the bottom of the infobox at Alex Joseph (American football).—Bagumba (talk) 22:37, 1 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Are there any cases where both parameters would be used? — Dissident93 ^(talk) 00:52, 2 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  In this case, they played in both leagues, which potentially applies to other players. —Bagumba (talk) 06:34, 2 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I meant a player using both the regular and archived CFL parameters if I wasn't clear. There's no need for a second parameter if that's the case, as it could be merged into the regular one in a cleaner way. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 02:12, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I didn't notice at the time that it was specific to a CFL archive. At any rate, it looks like WikiOriginal-9 found the offending newline. I have no opinion on any CFL param optimization. —Bagumba (talk) 04:54, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I'll leave it alone if it just works now then. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 23:37, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Fixed. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 13:48, 2 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Doc page

@Zackmann08, WikiOriginal-9, and Dissident93: just a heads-up, the guidance and information at {{Infobox NFL biography/doc}} doesn't appear to have been meaningfully merged into the gridiron football doc page yet, and it seems like something that should be done at some point. Left guide (talk) 01:44, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the note.. That is definitely on the todo list. Any help would be greatly appreciated though! — Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 03:03, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dissident93 once you feel the template is in a good stable form, lets make sure we tackle the documentation. —Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 03:04, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, that's the plan. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 03:19, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done I updated the doc page. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 19:06, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Birth_name

Dissident93 there are currently at least 3 pages using |birth_name=: Bob Kercher, Isaac Parks & John Saban. Just because the NFL Infobox didn’t use it doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be used… It is present on {{Infobox person}} as well as {{Infobox baseball biography}} so there is precedent. There is absolutely no reason not to include it.— Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 01:59, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm aware other infoboxes feature it, but I'm fairly sure there have been previous attempts to get something like this added to the NFL infobox and it failed consensus. That or nobody cared of its existence in the first place. If it is to return, then it should usable on all pages. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 02:10, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So we currently have cases where it is being used. It is far from complicated to add… I fail to see what the issue is? It doesn’t clutter the template or cause any issues so why are you so against adding it. — Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 02:12, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like something that should require more discussion to keep, as the old NFL infobox didn't use it. I'm not personally against it for the record. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 02:15, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You should remember that this isn’t just about the old NFL template. There were 3 templates that were merged… Based on your logic EVERY change you have made should require more discussion. You have removed numerous parameters from the template because you don’t think they are necessary without ANY discussion. So your logic really makes zero sense. — Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 02:25, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus from the original discussion was to merge CFL parameters into the NFL one. |birth_name= was also not used in the CFL infobox, so where is this even coming from? Again, I don't personally oppose it but there should be additional support for something that both of the intended infoboxes lacked. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 02:47, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can tell, it was not a supported parameter on those pages before the merge. I don't feel it's a "key fact" referred to by MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE:

The less information that an infobox contains, the more effectively it serves its purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance.

—Bagumba (talk) 05:02, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

playing_team1, coaching_team1

This merge is pretty much done now. Category:Pages using infobox gridiron football biography with unknown parameters is empty. The last thing to do is convert playing_team1, coaching_team1, etc. to |pastteams=, |pastcoaching=, etc. Thoughts? Take a look at the career history sections at Vernon Adams (playing_team1) and Trevor Harris (pastteams) to see what I mean. Note that I already converted Harris manually in the past. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:58, 23 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Always nice to see unknown parameter tracking cats empty. Is there any way to have a bot change the format or is that impractical since it involves parameter and formatting changes? — Dissident93 ^(talk) 23:42, 23 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hopefully a bot can do it. It would take forever manually. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 00:33, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose it's possible to force playing_team1 to be formatted like the pastteams bulleted list if that isn't feasible. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 01:19, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do you know if that would also work for team2, 3, 4, etc? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:22, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If it can be done for team1 then it can be done for any of them. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 01:37, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds like a great idea. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:41, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do we know if any article actually uses team15+? I'm sure some go beyond 10 but I can't see any close to 20 unless there's a Tom Moore type of coach in the CFL. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 01:55, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Anything is possible. Shawn Lemon had 19 teams before I converted them. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:58, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm assuming that's close to a record like Josh Johnson? Anyway, Vernon Adams has the PS/offseason asterisk misplayed on his article, how often have you came across that? — Dissident93 ^(talk) 02:09, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I come across those sometimes, but not too often. I just fix them when I see them. I wouldn't really worry about those. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 02:13, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The formatting should match now, but there could be bugs since it was done in a hacky way. The (HC) on Russ Jackson is hardcoded to the |coaching_team1= parameter so I'm not sure how to handle that. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 02:37, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Asterisk at Vernon Adams displaying in different spot than source code. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 02:39, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It shows again but since the * is hardcoded into the parameter, it needs some sort of switch logic to flip it from *) to )* unless I'm overthinking this. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 03:12, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The PS note isn't even displaying. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 03:28, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted back to the one that worked. I tried messing around in the sandbox but can't figure it out. There might be a super complicated way of doing it though... ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 04:27, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That was a great effort though. It was really close. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:46, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What exactly was the issue? It should still be possible to force the * to be rendered outside of the bracket using switch logic. I'll take another look later this week when I have more time. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 01:57, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Because most of the CFL source code has the asterisk by the team parameter "2022-2023 BC Lions*", not the year parameter.

However, with the changes, it was now rendering as "BC Lions* (2022-2023)" and the PS note was not displaying for those cases as well.

The (2019*) is a minority of cases. Like I said above, most CFL articles aren't like that. "I come across those sometimes, but not too often. I just fix them when I see them. I wouldn't really worry about those." ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 02:08, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, that's easily fixed. *) and jobs titles not formatting properly was the issue I was trying to work out. — Dissident93 ^(talk) 23:58, 27 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox person has an RfC

Template:Infobox person has an RfC for possible consensus regarding the removal of color from person infoboxes. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. — Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 18:30, 2 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]