Template talk:Expert opinions in the Gaza genocide debate

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  1. Kuri, Marta Tawil (October–December 2024). "Liderazgo y ética latinoamericanos frente al genocidio en Gaza" [Latin American leadership and ethics in the face of the genocide in Gaza]. Otros Diálogos (in Spanish).
  2. Marín, Antonio Basallote (6 June 2024). "El genocidio sobre Gaza como máxima expresión del neosionismo en Palestina" [The genocide in Gaza as the ultimate expression of neo-Zionism in Palestine]. Mañé, Ferrer y Swartz (in Spanish). doi:10.51896/easc.v2i1.537.
  3. Jassir, Mauricio Jaramillo (19 August 2024). "Multilateralidad en América Latina y el Caribe y el genocidio en Gaza" [Multilateralism in Latin America and the Caribbean and the genocide in Gaza]. Foro internacional (in Spanish).
  4. García, Moisés Garduño (July–September 2024). "La dimensión política del genocidio en Gaza" [The political dimension of the genocide in Gaza]. Otros Diálogos (in Spanish).{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: date format (link)
  5. Azaola Piazza, Bárbara (2024). "Egipto y el genocidio en Gaza: la fractura entre el régimen y la sociedad" [Egypt and the genocide in Gaza: the fracture between the regime and society]. Revista de Estudios Internacionales Mediterráneos (in Spanish). doi:10.15366/reim2024.37.007.
  6. Jiménez García, Francisco (23 December 2024). "Los Crímenes en Gaza Ante la CPI: La Calificación del Conflicto Armado y el Reto de Atravesar el Umbral del Genocidio" [The ICC and the Crimes in Gaza: The Nature of the Conflict and the Challenge of Crossing the Threshold of Genocide]. Revista Española de Derecho Internacional (in Spanish). doi:10.36151/REDI.76.2.14.
  7. Azorín Vera, Luis (2024). "Boicot comercial a las empresas cómplices del genocidio de Gaza" [Trade boycott of companies complicit in the Gaza genocide]. El Ecologista (in Spanish). ISSN 0211-6472.
  8. Quintana Adrián, Juan Vicente III (31 December 2024). "Genocidio en Gaza: La Destrucción Deliberada de la Salud Y de la Vida de Un Pueblo" [Genocide in Gaza: The Deliberate Destruction of the Health and Lives of a People]. Salud Colectiva y Buen Vivir (in Spanish).
  9. Tischler, Sergio (30 November 2024). "Gaza y el espíritu del capitalismo". Bajo el Volcán. Revista del Posgrado de Sociología. BUAP (in Spanish). doi:10.32399/ICSYH.bvbuap.2954-4300.2024.6.11.793.
  10. Stefanini, Angelo (2025). "Genocidio a Gaza. Le "mie" responsabilità" [Genocide in Gaza: "My" Responsibilities]. Il Punto (in Italian).
  11. Ceceña, A. E. (2024). "Los nudos geopolíticos y el genocidio en Gaza" [Geopolitical knots and the genocide in Gaza]. URBS. Revista de Estudios Urbanos y Ciencias Sociales (in Spanish).
  12. Sivinian, G. (2024). "La enunciación del Genocidio en Palestina" [The enunciation of the Genocide in Palestine]. El Puan Óptico (in Spanish).
  13. Zugueib, Jamil; Adi, Ashjan Sadique; Sahd, Fábio Bacila (22 December 2024). "A anatomia e a psicologia do genocídio em Gaza: inter-relações" [The anatomy and psychology of the Gaza genocide: interrelations]. Malala, Revista Internacional de Estudos sobre o Oriente Médio e Mundo Muçulmano (in Brazilian Portuguese). doi:10.11606/issn.2446-5240.malala.2024.224410.
  14. Algostino, Alessandra (1 January 2024). "Il genocidio di Gaza e il diritto" [The Gaza Genocide and the Law]. Alternative per il Socialismo (in Italian).
  15. Salinas-de-Frías, Ana María (2024). "La guerra en Gaza ¿puede la lucha contra el terrorismo justificar un genocidio?" [The war in Gaza: Can the fight against terrorism justify genocide?]. Revista Española de Derecho Internacional (in Spanish). doi:10.36151/REDI.76.1.16.
  16. Landi, María (12 June 2024). "Un genocidio largamente anunciado" [A long-announced genocide]. Ribla (in Spanish). doi:10.15603/ribla.v93i2.2921. ISSN 1676-3394.
  17. Kopel, Ezequiel (March–April 2024). "Guerra en Gaza: balances necesarios". Nueva Sociedad (in Spanish). ISSN 0251-3552.
  18. Chambers, Iain (2025). "Gaza: genocide/ecocide". Studi culturali. doi:10.1405/116581.

As earlier stated here's a bunch of articles that came up doing a scholar trawl for "gaza war" + "genocide", not all of them but a chunk to start working through. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 18:45, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Per month graph and rolling sources

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Because some of the entries were rolled, I think the monthly graph is a bit misleading. Bogazicili (talk) 19:12, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, any suggestion on how to address that? — 🧀Cheesedealer !!!⚟ 23:08, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Considering the graph is to track the change over time, I would go with changing the rolled entries to occur in the graph from the earliest source we have for their current opinion. So as an example for Giroux, instead of March 2025, you would have him appear in March 2024. For the rolled entries, we have kept in the notes the earlier sources, so while it does take some additional work, it's not too overbearing. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 12:50, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
i think that makes sense if we want to track the consensus by month. but the count would still be a bit off: some scholars are listed multiple times and would show up in the "wrong" month because they co-authored papers. i'm wondering if we should make sure each scholar is only listed once.

e.g., right now we have:
  • Daniel Blatman, Nov 2023, Haaretz, Maybe
  • Amos Goldberg, Oct 2024, Journal of Genocide Research, Yes
  • Amos Goldberg, Daniel Blatman, Jan 2025, Haaretz, Yes

should we change it to:
  • Amos Goldberg, Oct 2024, Journal of Genocide Research, Yes, 2025: Yes
  • Daniel Blatman, Jan 2025, Haaretz, Yes, 2023: Maybe

However, that would be a lot of work for authors/sources with many co-authors (e.g. Abdo Hassoun)... Rainsage (talk) 19:16, 6 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think it is more work, but rolling to the latest makes more sense. Bogazicili (talk) 20:48, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I mean per month graph doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
A scholar may be saying something every month, whereas another just said something once. It's only 2 scholars, but frequencies are very different.
I think cumulative is more accurate, but an even more accurate way to roll once per each cumulative time period.
For example, if a scholar says something 1 times in 2023, 2 times in 2024, and 3 times in 2025, we roll it once for the latest comment. If you were to do cumulative by year, 2023, 2024, and 2025, a more accurate way could be: use that scholar once in 2023; once in 2023 and 2024; and once in 2023, 2024, and 2025. Does that make sense?
This is very different than the current table but you can always experiment in your own user talk space: User:The_Cheesedealer/Expert opinions in the Gaza genocide debate
For now, I think you can add a footnote in your graphs explaining the caveats, such as rolled entries and that you look at entries only. Some entries have multiple scholars for example. Bogazicili (talk) 20:47, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@The Cheesedealer: here's the current stats as of posting, covering sources added to the list in September.

Month Oct-23 Nov-23 Dec-23 Jan-24 Feb-24 Mar-24 Apr-24 May-24 Jun-24 Jul-24 Aug-24 Sep-24 Oct-24 Nov-24 Dec-24 Jan-25 Feb-25 Mar-25 Apr-25 May-25 Jun-25 Jul-25 Aug-25 Sep-25
Yes 3 6 6 16 13 7 7 11 17 22 10 7 17 7 6 13 29 20 22 38 17 43 34 14
Likely 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 1 1 0 1 2 1 1 1 0 0 2 1 2 6 0
Maybe 1 3 1 1 0 1 2 0 3 1 1 0 1 1 0 0 3 1 2 1 1 2 1 1
No 1 12 2 10 4 0 3 4 1 1 1 0 1 2 2 2 2 3 3 1 6 8 9 1

-- Cdjp1 (talk) 19:46, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Updated the chart accordingly — 🧀Cheesedealer !!!⚟ 23:08, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Scholars for Truth about Genocide

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As a note, should it come up later if people want to dig into it, in the "Additional Signatories", the maintainers of the letter are adding what seem to be fake individuals as looking up some names with their associated institutions return no records. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 21:15, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"508. Robert Bocop, MA, Center for Police and Robotic Studies, Detroit" this one gave me a chuckle. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 21:55, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Followed shortly by "513. Termen Ator, Professor, Center for Time Manipulation and Police Studies"
Anyone can sign the letter with an e-mail and supposed professional affiliation, so it's largely a nonsense exercise. I included it both for completeness and because it might point us to legitimate experts whose statements we have overlooked. I added Eli Rosenbaum for example as an expert that has rejected the label. EvansHallBear (talk) 22:49, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The majority (even if maybe not particularly noteworthy specialists) are fine. And some are individuals who looking at their academic work are fascinating individuals who I look forward to reading. There's just a sort of irony that I find entertaining with this being in response to IAGS and the discussions happening on Wikipedia about that. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 00:27, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
At 08:00 UTC there were around 560 names, now it is down to 518, both Terminator and Robocop have been removed. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 12:54, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not necessarily. They also deleted duplicate names (e.g., Danny Orbach: #38, #448; Jonathan Skolnik: #65, #273; Sergei Kan: #253, #259) and filled the positions with names from other positions. (This is also what they did with Hans Wurst (#460), by the way ;) ).
On the other hand, they also replaced unsuitable signatories with new, more suitable ones (well, kind of) after the signing deadline had passed. For example, the lifeguard Kees Z. Baxter was later replaced by physics professor Steven Greenbaum (#409), someone named Marina Axter by the cantor Olivia Brodsky (#418), someone named Jane Naydin by the motivational speaker Rabbi Daniel Cohen (#420), the patent lawyer Abraham N. Seidman by the settler rabbi Yakov Nagen (#424), Riverto T. Hesea ( ;) ) by the historian Jonathan A. Epstein (#445), and someone named Danya Nunley by the interpreter Franciska Roose (#468). All of these are new.
I suggest deleting the note. The history of the signature list is more chaotic and suspect than such a note could convey. DaWalda (talk) 18:56, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 17 September 2025

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Description of suggested change: Add in interview with Professor Gabor Rona on topic. Professor Gabor Rona is an international legal scholar who also assisted ICC Chief Prosecutor Karim Khan in the process of requesting arrest warrants for Israeli leaders. The interview was conducted for the Borderline podcast from UC Berkeley's School of Law.

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|- | [https://web.archive.org/web/20250514142017/https://www.law.berkeley.edu/podcast-episode/international-law-and-the-israel-hamas-conflict/] | data-sort-value="Rona, Gabor"| [https://cardozo.yu.edu/directory/gabor-rona] | {{Date table sorting|2024|04|25|format=dmy}} | Professor of international law | [[University of Pennsylvania]] website | "To me, it’s very unlikely that the ICJ will give Israel a total clean bill of health. I think the evidence is already pretty well established that there have been instances in which, even representatives of the Israeli government have made statements that are incitement to genocide. I think there’s also significant amount of evidence already established that the Israeli military campaign [00:17:00] creates a risk of genocide occurring." "So, the short answer, I think, to your question is that it’s a bit more hypothetical, because I think the more likely result is that the ICJ will find violations, although I also think the ICJ probably will not find that Israel committed genocide." | incitement to genocide | {{no}} | |-

SardinesInACan (talk) 19:30, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This might count as a maybe rather than a hard no, he does not completely dismiss the possibility of a genocide finding, just considers it unlikely.SardinesInACan (talk) 19:56, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
 Done I had to troubleshoot the code - it wasn't quite right. STEMinfo (talk) 22:12, 8 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dupe

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hi @Cdjp1, i noticed you added the Independent International Commission of Inquiry today. i had already added it in Citation #616. But feel free to delete mine if you like your entry better. Rainsage (talk) 23:15, 23 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My bad, I completely missed that addition from yourself. I've removed my duplicate. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 23:51, 23 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No worries thanks! Rainsage (talk) 02:48, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorting

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What is the default sorting of these entries? Could we get default sorting to be by date, with the newest entries at the top? IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 03:41, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Create mainspace article based on this template?

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Hi all, I'm a bit out of the loop with the construction and intended purpose of this template as it relates to WP. That said, you all have done wonderful work here, and I think publicizing this data on a reformatted mainspace List, rather than keeping it tucked away in a template, would positively benefit Wikipedia. Alexandraaaacs1989 (talk) 05:26, 29 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Alexandraaaacs1989: I don't think that is a good choice. What I would recommend instead, is using the sources from this list in the relevant articles that currently exist. Academic and legal responses to the Gaza genocide can be expanded further now it has been spun out to it's own article. There are plenty of sources that analyse the media reporting about Gaza war and genocide, so would be good to get added into Cultural discourse about the Gaza genocide. So on, and so forth. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 19:32, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Gotcha, no worries. In that case I'll work on migrating them over to narrower mainspace lists including:
Alexandraaaacs1989 (talk) 23:56, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]