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Democratic Party mobilize.us removed

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My referenced addition that the Democratic party mobilize.us software was used for organizing this event was removed in this edit. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hands_Off_protests&diff=1284559944&oldid=1284558320 I don't know why this important fact is being removed. The article as it is currently written seems to imply that the protests somehow spontaneously materialized without any coordination. There was coordination and that is a key fact. Americasroof (talk) 12:22, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I was the one that removed that paragraph. The reasons for my removal are:
Additionally, you seem to be motivated by making this "important fact" known to the public. We can not set the record straight if reliable sources have not, and there are no sources yet provided that have made the connection between the Hands Off protests and Mobilize.us.
If there are other sources that make that connection, please give them here. We can then maybe talk about them and, upon consideration, maybe start adding it in the body. LightNightLights (talk • contribs) 16:06, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Would you be OK to include a one sentence line that says "Maps of the protests were provided by mobilize.us." Americasroof (talk) 19:58, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This does not address my points, so I am afraid not. LightNightLights (talk • contribs) 06:20, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am inclined to agree with LightNightLights, citing the website seems promotional. Mikeycdiamond (talk) 15:45, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ref for Triangle region

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--Another Believer (Talk) 17:12, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Salisbury, Ocean City and Hagerstown

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--Another Believer (Talk) 17:16, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Salisbury and Ocean City are mentioned, but Hagerstown is not. Not sure if this can be used as a source? ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:03, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ITN nomination

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I have nominated this for ITN at Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#Hands_Off_protests -- leaving a notice here. Mrfoogles (talk) 22:42, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 02:04, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox image

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Noting here that it would be nice if the Washington D.C. image focused more on the protesters and less on the monument, and showed a Hands Off! sign, but I think it has the most protesters of the image I've seen; the other once focuses on one person in a wheelchair, and seems depict a much smaller protest, which I don't think is good for representing the scale of the protests. Mrfoogles (talk) 22:44, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I replaced it with one I took earlier today; I hope it better shows the quantity of people. SWinxy (talk) 01:53, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I like that one, sad it got moved out of the infobox though (although I understand people are trying to put the logo first). Mrfoogles (talk) 06:19, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merger?

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The clear consensus is that there should not be a merger. Apologies for not properly handling this proposal, I will do better in the future.

i dont really seen any reason for this to its own article and not to suggest a merger with the Protests against the second presidency of Donald Trump article AssanEcho (talk) 22:59, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I believe it merits its own article and brief, linked, reference in the main article, thanks to the fact that it was a nation-wide event that also included protests abroad. It was highly visible to many and was a main topic of news today. 100,000 people in dc alone certainly merits a separate article 2600:4040:7200:CD00:60C6:89B2:F272:D066 (talk) 01:57, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose merge. ---Another Believer (Talk) 02:01, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose merge. - AndAllForWhat? (talk) 03:53, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also Oppose merge -- that article is broad-concept and mostly just lists protests that occurred. It's unfeasible to describe them all in full detail there, and unreasonable to merge a few but not others. Mrfoogles (talk) 06:18, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose merge - reasons are typically needed for merge. Kire1975 (talk) 07:10, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose merge - Buster7 Chat 13:56, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Update

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It would also be nice to see this page updated. I'm not proficient or I would do it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_protests_and_demonstrations_in_the_United_States_by_size Jwalker21 (talk) 15:49, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Good point. I am confident that, in the next few days, editors will be able to move from planned protests to actual protests. The article was begun during the planning stage. Now that the many events have taken place, it will require changing the sources for many of the cities and states. So it will take more than just changing the active verb. Buster7 Chat 16:10, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Map

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Does anyone know if it would be permissible, copyright-wise, to just take a screenshot of the protest locations map available on their website? It seems likely to be noncopyrightable, as the OpenStreetMap data is freely licensed and the rest is just a bunch of dots. Mrfoogles (talk) 06:20, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Their website is a WP:PRIMARY source. Protests typically need to be confirmed by WP:SECONDARY sources. Kire1975 (talk) 07:12, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Mrfoogles: OpenStreetMap data is freely licensed: yes OpenStreetMap correctly states Open Database License in its infobox. That does not make it noncopyrightable. On the contrary, anyone copying and further distributing the data is obliged to follow the conditions of the licence. However, using the data to make a map likely adds creative work, and the map itself is not necessarily covered by the ODL, since it doesn't present the original data in the original format with arbitrary OSM style choices (but ask elsewhere if you really want to be sure). Moreover, as Kire1975 says, accepting a primary source's claim on geo-locations of events is unlikely to be accepted as satisfying WP:VERIFIABILITY.
What is doable and generally acceptable in the WMF wikis is examples such as Commons:File:Map of Ukraine with Cities.png or Commons:File:Syrian Civil War December 2011.svg or Commons:File:Syrian civil war 01 02 2017.svg. SVG format is best because that makes it easy to do multi-lingual versions by editing just a few bytes. Boud (talk) 14:52, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of requested move of Hands Off! to Hands Off! (manga)

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The Hands Off! article title is currently being used for an article describing a 1998–2001 manga series, with a hatnote link to Hands-off (disambiguation) at the top of the page. I have requested a move of Hands Off! to Hands Off! (manga) with the intention of allowing the Hands Off! article title to be redirected to the Hands-off (disambiguation) page. If you are interested, please participate at Talk:Hands Off! § Requested move 6 April 2025. — Newslinger talk 07:44, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Colorado

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I added Cañon City to the list of Colorado cities who were part of the protests. I. Myself was one of the 300 people who participated in the Cañon City protest. Fremont County Democrats planned it and and advertised it as part of the movement on our Facebook page. Titanic4151912 (talk) 09:02, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately a source is still needed —- random Wikipedia readers can’t verify your identity. Mrfoogles (talk) 15:56, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
i can link you to the Facebook page. It reveals that I. Fact it was part of hands off Titanic4151912 (talk) 19:46, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's mentioned here. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 23:30, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
thanks, i was part of the Canon City one. 300 of us, 12 counter protesters Titanic4151912 (talk) 00:12, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Senior Living Communities

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I've found at least two cities in Utah and California that have reports of rallies being held at Senior Living Facilities for disabled and elderly folks who can't march. Is it a phenomena that deserves it's own section? Keep an eye out for more sources. Kire1975 (talk) 11:04, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

New Jersey Kire1975 (talk) 11:08, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think that seems worth mentioning, maybe after the international cities part. Probably a whole section is unnecessary though Mrfoogles (talk) 15:55, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I filled in the content in those three states, to start with. Kire1975 (talk) 17:40, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

International protests

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There were also protests out of the US, someone please find somewhere to add them: [1][2][3] Yeshivish613 (talk) 15:44, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Yeshivish613 Hands_Off_protests#Locations_and_activities mentions locations outside the US, too. ---Another Believer (Talk) 17:05, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ah sorry, didn't see that. Yeshivish613 (talk) 17:09, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Feel free to add more if you've got them. Kire1975 (talk) 17:39, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Elon Musk?

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Should we add Category:Elon Musk? ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:52, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Georgia

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Please include a list of the protest sites in Georgia 73.237.209.70 (talk) 21:07, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you add some WP:RS, then the chance of someone doing that for you will be higher. Boud (talk) 21:30, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Atlanta
--Another Believer (Talk) 22:40, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Article says "In Georgia, several thousand protesters demonstrated in Atlanta. Protests were also held in Athens, Columbus, Gainesville, Macon, Woodstock, Rome, and Marietta". If there are other locations to include, please share sources. ---Another Believer (Talk) 15:56, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for bring this thread back to life, but Wikipedia:FOX should be considered when it comes to the fox news source. Mikeycdiamond (talk) 11:03, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Stop removing involved parties

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I am adding who is involved with the protests into the article and someone keeps on taking it down. He keeps on saying “its not a civil war”. Dude, I know. Nobody is ducking saying that. Please stop removing information from a article for god knows what reason. Ebedit (talk) 04:42, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Trump administration is certainly not a party to these events. There may be value to listing those participating, and I appreciate your effort to organize this information and preserve the removal of one party for lack of sourcing. Discussing here is a good next step. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 04:48, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. Thanks for the clarification. I will only add participants in the protests and exclude government forces. <3 Ebedit (talk) 04:50, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Participating organizations

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There are over 150 of these. I added many (thinking it would not take so long), and the giant wall of text you can now see is less than half. Do we list all of them? I would say it's best to try to get the whole list typed up, then organize based on theme -- women's rights groups, LGBTQ rights groups, environmentalists, anti-Trump/Musk/Doge organizations, generalists, to make it comprehensible Mrfoogles (talk) 05:29, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea. I might get started on that tmmr. Gn Ebedit (talk) 05:39, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed! 65.95.161.19 (talk) 05:43, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ended up listing all of them, but they're hard to categorize. To be honest, I think this probably needs its own list -- anyone think it would meet the notability criteria? Obviously the participants are discussed in reliable sources, although the full list would have to come from the organizers. Mrfoogles (talk) 06:27, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Reusing the same WP:PRIMARY inline citation twelve times in one section is too much. Summarize it. Kire1975 (talk) 09:20, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's reusing the citation because the information comes from the same place? No secondary source has a full list of participating organizations, and there's no reason to think the organizers (who are fairly reputable) are blatantly lying about which organizations are participating. The citation has to be reused because I broke the organizations into categories, to avoid wall-of-text: I think despite the fact that it can be very roughly summarized in one sentence, it's interesting to know which organizations actually participated. Mrfoogles (talk) 15:48, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Y'all can know which organizations actually participated by clicking on the link. Kire1975 (talk) 21:31, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
See also WP:OVERKILL. Kire1975 (talk) 04:40, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've added a "self-published source" tag. ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:01, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to re-add this, but at the bottom so it doesn't get in the way of the locations. Mrfoogles (talk) 15:49, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, summarized it a bit. But it's still worth listing individual organizations. Mrfoogles (talk) 16:09, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Can we please stop using the Hands Off website as a source? ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:24, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There is no other source that lists participating organizations -- even the Washington Post just says "according to the organizers, over 150 groups participated". I have added attribution, but unless you have a good reason to think the Hands Off organizers are lying about partner organizations (which would be significant), I don't think it's unreasonable to rely on them. Mrfoogles (talk) 20:24, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Re: "There is no other source that lists participating organizations: OK... then perhaps we shouldn't include here. We should be adding content based on secondary coverage. Just because something is true does not mean it needs to be included in the Wikipedia entry. My vote is to remove the Hands Off website as a source / inline citation. ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:38, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox list of parties

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Until I changed it there was a seemingly arbitrary list of a few more popular organizations from the over 150 that participated. I think that if parties are to be included in the infobox, there needs to be a good selection criteria (considering how many options there are) and it also shouldn't be in list format so people's eyes don't skip over the "150+ coalition" part to the bullet list emphasizing individual organizations. Mrfoogles (talk) 05:42, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alr. Good point. I think it is a fair idea to include 50501 for kickstarting the movement that led to the protest, political revolution for assigning all the locations, and the women's march for helping to publicize it. Ebedit (talk) 05:46, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps we could put those 3 in the “main” category and all the many others into a “organizers” category, as to not confuse anyone. Ebedit (talk) 05:49, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have a citation for that? If so, having one category for organizers, and another category that just says "around 150 organizations" works for me. I just don't think we should choose random ones from the non-organizers to feature. Mrfoogles (talk) 06:25, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Region subsections

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Similar to 50501 protests, I have merged the subsections for each US state into subsections for US regions, to reduce the overall number of subsection headings. ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:23, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(A reminder to move the four remaining bullet points at the top of the section into the appropriate subsections below) ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:25, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nice job! Pete Forsyth (talk) 06:07, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 15:56, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, nice job. Editors have created a wonderful informative article with very little, if any, drama. Hard to do with a hot "in-the-news" topic. Buster7 Chat 05:41, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(un)Surprising lack of police brutality

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Many have argued that the lack of police brutality at the hands off protests is due to a lack of marginalized people, primarily people of color. Can we add this to the article? Cvni81 (talk) 00:49, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you have sources arguing that then it can be added; otherwise no, basically. Given a major goal of the protests was transgender rights, I don't know if that's a complete explanation, though. Mrfoogles (talk) 01:11, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox addition

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Should the goal of ending the Gaza war and/or the release of Mahmoud Khalil be added to the "Goals" section of the infobox? https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250406-thousands-rally-in-washington-to-demand-end-to-gaza-genocide-crackdown-on-pro-palestine-students/ Internationed (talk) 21:36, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

50 Capitals

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Albany Capital of NYS given 50501 was an organizer (50 states 50 caitals one message) please add Albany NY - - I saw a reference for 1-2 thousand. I’ll find it. please ensure all fifty states are included. Suggest contact 50501 org! Thanks!! 67.240.218.20 (talk) 15:59, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can you provide the link to the reference? Kire1975 (talk) 17:58, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Date

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The date section in the infobox states the protests are ongoing, but no other protests have happened or are planned. It seems Hands Off was a one off protest/collaboration and I suggest we set the date to just April 5th. Mikeycdiamond (talk) 01:28, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Did that. Not sure if there was protesting on April 6th due to time zone shenanigans, though. Mrfoogles (talk) 06:12, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No Kings protest

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New page, if anyone's interested in collaborating:

Worth noting, "No Kings" also appears in 50501 protests in February 2025

---Another Believer (Talk) 17:32, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is this protest organized by 50501? Mikeycdiamond (talk) 17:58, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Mikeycdiamond I didn't add the text, but the article currently suggests so. ---Another Believer (Talk) 15:15, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]