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Request for comment: Should Chants et contes de Noël be changed to a compilation album?

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Another user started a discussion on the Celine Dion albums discography talk page, asking if Chants et contes de Noel should be switched from a studio album to a compilation album. This change would affect the numbering of Dion's studio albums across numerous articles.

Abby Abangan (talk) 02:33, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

General discussion

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Various reliable sources generally seem to use the same chronology as Wikipedia currently does for Dion's studio albums [1] [2]. I would argue, however, that some reliable sources can be ineffective for determining album type. Per WP:Singles criteria, the classification of songs as singles/promo singles/album cuts is determined by release format and authoritative music industry sources; media outlets labeling songs as "singles" does not make songs singles, regardless of the sources' reliability. I think it is only consistent to uphold a similar standard for sources in regard to the classification of albums.

As Dion's first few French albums were released on an independent record label, there is quite little information about them online. For Chants et contes de Noel, both music industry sources and reliable sources in general do not seem to label the album type of this project at all, instead just referring to it as a holiday album.

The content of Chants et contes de Noël itself is perhaps the most clear evidence that it is a compilation rather than a studio album. The album contains 8 tracks; 3 are identical recordings of songs originally released on Dion's first Christmas album Celine Dion chante Noel, 1 song was originally released on the France-exclusive compilation Du soleil au cœur, 3 tracks are spoken "tales"/skits, and just 1 song is a new recording. As half of the album's tracks and an even greater percentage of its songs "were not originally intended for release together as a single work," I think this project matches Wikipedia's definition of a compilation album. Abby Abangan (talk) 02:33, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to add that Celine's album chronology simply isn't consistent among reliable sources, so it would make much more sense to classify albums based on established norms for studio albums and compilations. Celine's own website states that Incognito was her major label debut after releasing nine independent studio albums [3]. Deshna Tanakreshna (talk) 22:38, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Now that we've seen a couple examples that show reliable sources use different numbering from each other or even differently amongst themselves, I'm curious to see if there are any opinions on the topic of Chants et contes de Noel as a studio or compilation album outside of chronology. Would anyone argue that the presence of 1/2 of this album's tracks on earlier projects is still compatible with the "studio album" label? Any established norms for studio albums and compilations we should be following? Abby Abangan (talk) 03:35, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think Max24's point that "À quatre pas d'ici" had not previously been released in Canada is valid, but I don't think it affects the way the album should be classified. The France-exclusive album that song first appeared on, Du soleil au cœur, is recognized as a compilation even though none of Celine's music had previously been released in the country.
Whether we consider it 3 or 4 recordings taken from previous projects, are there any examples at all of studio albums in their standard form that take 3+ recordings from earlier projects? I will further state again that reliable sources do not label Chants et contes de Noël as anything other than a holiday album. The current labeling of this album on Wikipedia appears to have been added a couple decades ago without a source. Abby Abangan (talk) 20:47, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I can't confirm that there aren't any examples, I personally could not find any standard editions of studio albums by any artists that contain even 2 same recordings from previous albums. Deshna Tanakreshna (talk) 03:21, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Miracle includes the recordings of "Brahms' Lullaby" from These Are Special Times and "The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face" from All the Way... A Decade of Song, though this is only two songs and a much smaller percentage of old material (2/14 vs. 3/8 or 4/8). Abby Abangan (talk) 04:39, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Survey/vote

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Please vote "Yes" if you think Chants et contes de Noël should be classified as a compilation album; vote "No" if you think it should remain categorized as a studio album. Abby Abangan (talk) 02:33, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My vote is Yes. As no reliable sources seem to label this project at all, I think the content of the album is the clearest evidence of this album's classification: a compilation of both old and new material. Edit: Thanks Celestia Diwani for mentioning this; some of the sources used by others here indeed label Taking Chances inconsistently as both the 26th and 27th studio album in Celine's discography [4] [5]. Abby Abangan (talk) 02:35, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No There have been zero reliable sources presented that would support resequencing Dion's studio album discography, which is part of the domino effect that removing Chants et contes de Noël would cause. Unison would become her eighth studio album even though reliable sources call it her ninth, Encore un soir would become her 25th studio album even though reliable sources call it her 26th, Courage would become her 26th studio album even though reliable sources call it her 27th, and so on.
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What this RfC proposes is original research – Wikipedia taking it upon itself to resequence Dion's discography away from what it is represented as in reliable sources. RachelTensions (talk) 03:08, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. No authoritative music industry sources refer to this project as a studio album, and the fact that half of the recordings are taken from previously released projects aligns with Wikipedia's standard for compilations. In fact, the earliest instance of this project being labeled as a studio album by any source at all appears to be Wikipedia. The current chronology used by newspapers and other non-music industry sources is a hoax initiated by this very site. Deshna Tanakreshna (talk) 05:26, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes
The booklet for the original LP identifies this project as a special release for cystic fibrosis research, with most songs taken from her previous albums. I do not see any sources saying this album was promoted as a studio album. Paneya Bread (talk) 06:42, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
— Paneya Bread (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. (CC) Tbhotch™ 02:36, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There's been some discussion about this on Reddit [6], so I thought I'd give my two cents (apologies if new accounts aren't allowed to vote on these things). It appears the yes votes so far are focusing on Wiki's standard for different album formats, while the no votes are relying on sources for how Celine Dion's albums are sorted.
I looked into the sources others have cited, and there seem to be inconsistencies. For instance, Nine Network AU has referred to Courage as both Celine Dion's 26th [7] and 27th [8] studio album. For this reason, I don't think that random media sources necessarily live up to the quality needed to define what types of albums these are.
Another point I wanna bring up is that giving a number to an individual album does not directly identify the albums that came beforehand. Some sources may be including All the Way due to its large amount of new songs, or starting at Incognito (major label debut) or Unison (commercial breakthrough) and including live albums and compilations. These sources are just too unclear as to what albums they are including.
The Wiki page for Chants says that multiple songs were taken from Celine Dion's second studio album, and judging by the recording dates, they don't look like new recordings. Now Celine has included songs like "To Love You More" on multiple studio albums, but I think the presence of nearly half of the album's songs on earlier projects indicates that it is a compilation.
My vote is yes.
TL;DR - Yes; because sources are inconsistent and unclear about the album chronology and 0 of the mentioned sources label this project as a studio album, I think going by Wikipedia's standard for albums is the right way to go.
Celestia Diwani (talk) 02:59, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
— Celestia Diwani (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. (CC) Tbhotch™ 03:17, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Restored comment that was removed by OP.[9] Comments can be crossed if required but not removed at this point since it creates confusion. There is no sockpuppetry or meatpuppetry, this discussion is linked at Reddit. (CC) Tbhotch™ 02:32, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. This has happened before - for years, I Wanna Be with You was listed on Wikipedia as Mandy Moore's second studio album, when it was actually better classified as a reissue. This did cause a domino effect in the resequencing of her albums, and there are still some inconsistencies in sources. However, the media was generally able to figure it out, and (for the most part) reported on her latest, true seventh studio album accurately. Given the album's content, I think Chants et contes de Noël is most accurately represented as a compilation. Breaktheicees (talk) 17:10, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No:
  • 1) There is included a misleading information about Chants et contes de Noël at the top. The album was released in Canada and contains only three previusly released songs there. The new songs include "Un enfant" and "À quatre pas d'ici". The latter was released only in France, so for Canada it was a brand new song. The album also includes three new Christmas tales lasting over 22 minutes. There is no reason to treat them worse than songs - that was the concept of the album: songs + tales. Five new tracks and three old ones is hardly a compilation + there are no sources to support that.
  • 2) Voting by Paneya Bread and Celestia Diwani is most likely voting by sock puppet accounts. Their comments and votes should be removed. There may be more socks.
Max24 (talk) 19:23, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry. The topic was mentioned on the Celine Dion subreddit and I wanted to share what I know, but I get it if that's not allowed of users who don't frequent Wiki. I'll remove my vote myself, though I still stand by it. Celestia Diwani (talk) 17:57, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Editors (regardless of their age in-site) are allowed to participate. However, editors are reminded that this is not a polling and we don't count votes, but the strength of their arguments based on Wikipedia's policies and evidence provided. (CC) Tbhotch™ 02:32, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 29 August 2025

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2603:6013:9B40:846D:84A5:E19F:93CF:C611 (talk) 18:40, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You forgot to add the prayer with the top songs

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. veko. (user | talk | contribs) 19:16, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 25 September 2025

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Can you add the Prayer because she sang that with Andrea Bocelli 2603:6013:9B40:846D:D088:364B:DAB2:A480 (talk) 02:45, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.
I have fixed your comment. (the text was after the signature) If you adjust your request so that it can be answered/clarify, then you can set it to unanswered again. Thank you. Slomo666 (talk) 10:57, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]