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A mistake in the "units" section

It shows 1. Caspian flotilla as part of black sea fleet. Its not 2. It shows 22nd coastal brigade as part of the caspial fleet. The unit does not exist anymore and was part of the black sea fleet on crimea 84.15.223.101 (talk) 22:47, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RDK?

I've seen footage, that shows fighters of the "Russian Volunteer Corps" involved in the Incursion. Can anyone confirm? 2A02:3030:A91:CA59:CA5A:63ED:AED5:194F (talk) 09:16, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You're getting tricked by reused footage from the 2023 Belgorod Oblast incursions. Scuba 17:47, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Russian claims

Russia claims only 200 troops invaded... and that they killed 250 of them... maybe we should omit them from the infobox. Scuba 04:41, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, 200 was at the very beginning, the later number is unknown. 2A01:113F:203:3D00:BC80:72FC:FC4F:167D (talk) 10:19, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Russian Victory

Ukranian forces kicked out of the 2 villages (meaning end of operation and incursion just like in kursk) Ukraine only holds a bit of area near the border KingDato (talk) 03:56, 27 April 2025 (UTC) [reply]

WP:GSRUSUKR

I don't know how much Putin pays you, but this is a complete lie. The Russians have already lost about 100,000 people in Belgorod and the humiliation of Russia continues. They attack with human waves every day and cannot defeat several hundred Ukrainian soldiers. 2A00:62C0:4266:FA00:B946:5F63:4AB3:63ED (talk) 19:14, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply] Lmfaoo how much does zelesky pay you? When did I once mention loses? And show me the source oh wait you made it up. I am pro ukranian but I am also pro truth. KingDato (talk) 19:53, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am starting to consider that we might not need a separate article about clashes within two villages. This could potentially be merged to the Kursk page. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 00:56, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes that is an idea, as technically its roughly on the same time line and units are dispatched from Sumy into these areas. It could fall under a Northern Ukranian offensive into Russia? KingDato (talk) 02:16, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would propose that what happened here in the two little villages of Demidovka and Popovka is so miniscule in comparison to the events within the Kursk region that we would not even need to rename the main page, i.e. the title can remain focused on Kursk. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 02:42, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So what will you do then Demidovka has been confirmed to have gone back to russian control by study of war "https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-april-29-2025"

Will you carry on making this a separate wiki page or maybe merge it with the Belgrod attacks too, as Ukraine did launch some previous years. Calssed as the Kursk incursion would be fine too KingDato (talk) 04:16, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would merge all the information to Kursk offensive (2024–2025). SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 13:02, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also Ukraine (per deepstate UA) confirms that Ukraine holds no presence in Demidovka either not even in the outskirts, meaning neither of the villages are under Ukranian control anymore. This surely puts an end to the operation as Ukranian forces only hold the forests on the border if that. KingDato (talk) 02:20, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:GSRUSUKR

Until the Ukrainian government confirms that they do not control any of these villages, we cannot claim that the Russians somehow miraculously managed to retake them. The Ukrainian government has not yet been caught in a lie, unlike the Russian one. 2A00:62C0:403C:5300:2447:4B9F:2437:635D (talk) 20:38, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply] The ukranian government has not yet been caught in a lie? They are still saying they hold Velyka Novosilka and kurakhove, get out of here with that you don't even deserve to talk here. How do you want confirmation from the Ukranian government about a Russian village? They didn't even confirm attacking into Belgrod until a week after the operation. This propaganda isn't helping Ukraine but hurting them, the more you lie the more soldiers will die not seeing the reality of this war. KingDato (talk) 04:12, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply] So you are a cheap putin propagandist after all. I thought so. You can continue to believe everything that russian propaganda says. But the Russians have already lost about 2 million soldiers dead, the Ukrainian army humiliates them every day, the population of Russia has been halved due to mobilization, and now their last hope is hundreds of thousands of north korean mercenaries. So until the Ukrainian government makes its statement, it is stupid to talk about the imaginary "success" of the russians. 2A00:62C0:4077:8700:200C:3E01:40DE:E621 (talk) 14:44, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply] Seems like you are just rage baiting, There has not even been 200k soldiers dead on the Russian side, this is confirmed both by Ukraine, Uk, Usa and Russia. And no more than 100 north korean confirmed dead. Shows you are bought by zelesky for cheap to keep lying, it wont get you anywhere. Actually 50 million dead ukranian and 500 million drsf russian soldiers confirmed just trust me bro 🤓 KingDato (talk) 20:13, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Russian Victory?

It’s been almost a month since the last talk here. All reliable sources show that the Russians have regained its control in belgorod and have even advanced into sumy. Shaunrobert55 (talk) 20:42, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, not until Ukraine confirms that its troops have left. Ukrainian statements are reliable, unlike Russian propaganda. 2A00:62C0:4230:E200:2904:5BA9:8E28:5BBC (talk) 18:29, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Seriously? 2A01:599:31B:4E44:179:3DF8:C2C2:2035 (talk) 22:13, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Needless to say the suggestion above is a ridiculous standard that we do not adhere to. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 12:32, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is getting ridiculous

It's been over a month since the last Ukrainian report in the region. As of 6 June, DeepStateMap.Live (which is sponsored by the Ukrainian government) shows only a disputed patch along the border, with no confirmed Ukrainian holdings on the Russian side. The ISW's map goes as far as showing Russian claims of capturing the village of Marine, which is just barely on the Ukrainian side of the border. There may still be Ukrainian soldiers on the Russian side of the border, but there don't seem to be any meaningful offensive operations going on. The incursion has ended in every way that matters, and the article should reflect that. Links to the maps for confirmation: [1] [2] RocketsFallOnRocketFalls (talk) 18:42, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I would propose ending this incursion either with a Russian victory or a Ukrainian failure, the troops withdrew a long time ago, and not continue waiting for months to change the result, providing the corresponding references, Wikipedia should be more serious. AlecBarrioYT (talk) 04:11, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Couldn’t agree more 2A01:599:303:F935:20C4:918A:A94D:739B (talk) 19:21, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, until Ukraine confirms that there is no more fighting there. 2A00:62C0:431F:F100:E894:B3B2:4ABA:6A71 (talk) 20:39, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'd argue that it's actually better to use independent sources than wait for either government to confirm it, better avoids any accusations of bias.

RocketsFallOnRocketFalls (talk) 03:19, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The best thing would be to use independent sources to maintain neutrality, so the result could be changed, if there are no objections let's proceed. AlecBarrioYT (talk) 04:16, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can we end the debate and finally fix the result? 2A01:599:317:474C:3D4C:ADB8:B734:D21B (talk) 13:18, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Incursion Result

Change to Russian victory or Ukrainian failure. 2A01:599:30F:EFD9:3C1C:A2BE:3DC3:4D23 (talk) 18:07, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not the place for Muscovite propaganda. 2A00:62C0:4003:A000:DC9B:CB3D:A7FA:F89D (talk) 20:42, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

???? How deluded are you to believe that the belgorod incursion is still ongoing. 2A01:599:319:347E:3DB2:7AE3:10A0:4C9F (talk) 19:28, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Until you provide Ukrainian or Western sources confirming this. All Russian sources - cannot be taken into account on Wikipedia, because they are false. 2A00:62C0:41DD:3E00:500B:95E3:5D45:22F2 (talk) 20:17, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can you even provide a source proving the incursion is ongoing?

~< Valentinianus I (talk) >~ 19:07, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Russia recaptured all of belgorod Russianamericangeography12 (talk) 20:11, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - FlightTime Phone (open channel) 20:23, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Incursion ended

it’s been a while since this incursion has ended.

Ukrainian Defeat or Russian Victory 2A01:599:328:27A:7419:82FD:D4E5:5658 (talk) 18:51, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

None of that. And if you don't stop pushing russian propaganda, expect complaints. 2A00:62C0:4205:2A00:5C4F:1CDF:57B3:69AE (talk) 10:32, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It certainly seems that way to me as well. If you can help us by linking a source, I can change the article for you. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 12:09, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-july-10-2025 2A01:599:316:A6C7:984D:781E:587F:CF79 (talk) 20:22, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This link was meant for Battle of Toretsk 2A01:599:316:A6C7:984D:781E:587F:CF79 (talk) 20:26, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

DeepStateMap.Live removed the grey zone on 28 June 2025.

~< Valentinianus I (talk) >~ 19:03, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Deepstate removed the grayzone thus meaning the incursion ended. Is this source good enough? 2A01:599:C1C:679C:536:6596:A364:6985 (talk) 16:25, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The incursion has ended as Ukrainian troops have pulled back.

I’d suggest changing the result to Ukrainian failure.

source - https://deepstatemap.live/en#11/50.9298725/35.3766632

^^^^

the grey area on demidovka has been removed. DeepstateUA is a reliable source as it officially collaborates with the Ukrainian Government.

2A01:599:323:B159:F14C:A3D6:D876:FF12 (talk) 13:55, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. You need to provide a more reliable source than a link to a dynamic map, which interpretation of essentially amounts to original research – macaddct1984 ^{(talk | contribs)} 15:43, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The source is more than reliable, its a map of Ukraine monitored and collaboration with the Ukranian government called "deepstate' KingDato (talk) 16:12, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see. However, as stated in the comment above - DeepstateUA is a reliable source as it is in collaboration with the Ukrainian government. 2A01:599:323:B159:F14C:A3D6:D876:FF12 (talk) 16:35, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: Procedural decline -- the article has now been redirected to Kursk campaign. Day Creature (talk) 23:47, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]