User talk:Trappist the monk

  1. Home
  2. Wiki

CS1This user is responsible for those
CS1 error messages (help).
Comments are welcome. If your comments are about my work on a particular article, please make
them at the article's talk page so that everyone who has an interest in the article may participate.

Higher Categories and Homotopical Algebra

[edit]

Hello! I hope you can help me with a little problem since I just saw that you undid my edit on Reedy category. (I would have done it myself anyway after a while.) So far I simply wasn't able to link my new article for Higher Categories and Homotopical Algebra on the dozens of articles that feature the book in their literature section, some of which written by myself. (Reedy category showed up first in the search list of such articles.) It seems both an article on Wikipedia and a link online are competing for the title and both just give an error. Is there some way to fix this? So far, I've not found a solution yet. Thank you for your help! Samuel Adrian Antz (talk) 23:07, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

First the technical part. It is not possible to simultaneously link a single item (|title=Higher Categories and Homotopical Algebra) to more than one target ([[Higher Categories and Homotopical Algebra]] and |url=https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/higher-categories-and-homotopical-algebra/C5509D2179302B3F3876A007815A2BBC#fndtn-information).
At Reedy category, you might move all that is currently in § Further reading to a new section § External links. Then move Cisinski, Berger & Moerdijk, and Campion to § Further reading because they are not used as sources in the body of the article. Above § References create a new section § See also to hold a link to Higher Categories and Homotopical Algebra.
Higher Categories and Homotopical Algebra has already been tagged with {{over-quotation}} so that needs attention. Further, the rest of the article appears to rely on a single source: the book's author. At en.wiki, we do not care about what a subject says or wants said about themself. We only care about what wholly unconnected people have published about the subject in reliable sources. So, your sourcing is in need much attention.
I know that this sounds a bit harsh, but fix it now before your article ends up at WP:AFD. You might want to consider moving to Draft namespace so that you can continue to work without worrying about WP:AFT.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 00:28, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Trappist the monk Thanks for your detailed answer! Putting it in the "See also" section really seems like a good option. (It's still odd though, that this technical problem even exists. On the german Wikipedia, the external link is always separated to avoid it.) I've also cleaned up Reedy category a bit now.
The over-quotation has already been dealt with, but I leave it to the person who added the template to remove it again or tell me to further reduce the quotation.
I'm still a bit confused about that "sourcing in need much attention". Although I see that it could be better, aren't four reviews by well-known mathematicians as listed on the website of the University of Cambridge enough? Because depending on how strict you mean "wholly unconnected people", that could be up to impossible since the only people who publish about such an advanced mathematical textbook are other mathematicians. I've now also added external links to nLab and another review. Samuel Adrian Antz (talk) 00:59, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Trappist the monk Update to the last part: I was now informed that the problem is that the quotes are purely promotional blurbs. In that case, I support a removal. But for one of the quotes, I have found the review it came from. Would it be okay to go through it and compile something for the review section that leaves out the part used for promotional purposes on the publisher's website? Samuel Adrian Antz (talk) 04:34, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not really the person to be answering that question; I spend most of my en.wiki life gnoming citations. I have been here long enough to know that citing the book that is the subject of the en.wiki article is more-or-less a non-starter here so that is why I mentioned that. Perhaps you can consult with editors at WT:WPMATH or other suitable wikiproject about how to improve Higher Categories and Homotopical Algebra and Denis-Charles Cisinski. Those editors are best qualified to know how to make improvements.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 13:38, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Translating the date

[edit]

@Trappist the monk hope you are doing well. So, I was trying to localize the citation module from the latest revision in this wiki. Can you please tell me where I can translate the date and numbers। Like: |date = 12 February 2024 or ১২ ফেব্রুয়ারি ২০২৪ Will show ১২ ফেব্রুয়ারি ২০২৪ Same for the other digit related parameters like |p= |pp= |year= |access-date = etc R1F4T (talk) 08:00, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If this is for bn.wiki then bn:মডিউল:Citation/CS1/Configuration. At lines 10 and 11, local_digits_from_mediawiki and local_date_names_from_mediawiki are both set to true so the code at lines 650–661 and 669–675 should automatically provide date and digit translations. If I put this in the debug console: =mw.dumpObject (p.date_names) the module returns a lua table of what looks to me like translated month names and digits.
If I write {{cite book |title=Title |url=//example.com |year=2024 |access-date=8 June 2025}} in my bn.wiki sandbox and preview I get ২০২৪। সংগ্রহের তারিখ ৮ জুন ২০২৫। so the translation appears to be working. cs1|2 does not translate page numbers.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 12:52, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Trappist the monk but the problem is when I am using the |year= parameter it's showing me in english R1F4T (talk) 13:35, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
w:bn:User:R1F4T/খেলাঘর SEE R1F4T (talk) 13:36, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Trappist the monk and what you tested was not the sandbox bn:মডিউল:Citation/CS1/Configuration I am using the English name for sandbox actually R1F4T (talk) 14:00, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What? I don't know what you mean by that. Your bn:মডিউল:Citation/CS1/Configuration links to the same module that I linked. bn:মডিউল:Citation/CS1/Configuration/sandbox does not exist. It should. It is poor practice to attempt to update the cs1|2 suite from en.wiki to bn.wiki without first copying en.wiki/live to bn.wiki/sandbox. Do that. Adjust the bn.wiki/sandbox as necessary for bn.wiki, test it, get it right, and only then update the bn.wiki/live from bn.wiki/sandbox.
The other thing that needs doing is lines 17, 18 set to true.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 14:38, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Trappist the monk actually the module what we are currently use is called bn: মডিউল:উদ্ধৃতি/রূপরেখা 'উদ্ধৃতি' stands for citation and রূপরেখা stands configaration R1F4T (talk) 14:43, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sigh. As you can see, that sort of organization is confusing. That particular module is obsolete. bn.wiki would be better served (I think) in future to adopt the same ~/live and ~/sandbox structure as is used at en.wiki – unless from hereon you choose to go your own way. It is not easy to update the cs1|2 module suite when the target structure is the same; why make it more difficult with a different structure?
—Trappist the monk (talk) 14:57, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Trappist the monk yea you are right though. R1F4T (talk) 15:08, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
should I transfer the sandbox code to the ~/খেলাঘর now? R1F4T (talk) 15:09, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your call, of course. Were it up to me, I would, and I would not use ~/খেলাঘর but would stick with the English names and English ~/sandbox. In Module:Citation/CS1 in function _citation(), we do a test to see if we are using the live module suite or the sandbox module suite. Keeping the English names simplifies an update because you don't have to bother changing and testing the code in _citation(). At bn:Template:Cite web/new (and the other cs1|2 templates), change {{#invoke:citation/CS1 to {{#invoke:citation/CS1/sandbox. That will force sandbox templates to use the sandbox module suite which facilitates testing.
One last suggestion. Make a list of changes to the module suite that are necessary for it to operate properly at bn.wiki. It will help you, and editors who succeed you, when it comes time to do subsequent updates.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 15:42, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Trappist the monk ok I am trying to move this in the ~/খেলাঘর as we use that. An pls give me the solution to the problem after I do advance thanks R1F4T (talk) 16:02, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ok instead of transfering to the sandbox can you suppose it as main module and fix it then it will be easier for you to navigate R1F4T (talk) 16:04, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure I understand you. The purpose of the sandboxen is to allow you to change the module suite without jeopardizing the references on thousands and thousands of articles. Were I you, I would not be making (possibly) breaking changes to a live module.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 16:24, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Trappist the monk acctualy we are not using the module any where else using bn: মডিউল:উদ্ধৃতি which is a lot older revision of this module R1F4T (talk) 16:27, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That is, of course, your choice.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 16:44, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Trappist now can you help me to localize R1F4T (talk) 16:47, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Didn't I already do that here (last sentence)?
—Trappist the monk (talk) 16:51, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
oh sorry sorry I apologize I didn't read the last like sorry for that. R1F4T (talk) 16:54, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Umm I might ask for help in the future also if I need hope you will help me thanks for the help. Thank you R1F4T (talk) 16:56, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ok
—Trappist the monk (talk) 17:04, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
can you tell me where I can find the format means what will be shown after what like first..last..title R1F4T (talk) 17:15, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, don't understand the question. Rephrase?
—Trappist the monk (talk) 17:44, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Trappist the monk ok let me give example
Paul. Zebra (in Bengali).
Like this is first showing the author name and then title also I need to make the in Bangla to "Bangla in" or বাংলা ভাষায় R1F4T (talk) 17:48, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The preferred method for describing the language of the source is to use an ISO 639 language tag so you should write: |language=bn. cs1|2 recognizes the bn as the language of bn.wiki so it suppresses the language annotation. When I write your example template at my bn.wiki sandbox and use |language=en the annotation is: (ইংরেজি ভাষায়).
The module suite fetches language tags/names from MediaWiki. At en.wiki, we remap some of those to be suitable for our needs. We remap bn from 'Bangla' (an endonym) to 'Bengali' (an exonym) (Endonym and exonym). That remapping happens in bn:মডিউল:Citation/CS1/Configuration; search for 'bangla'.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 18:15, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Trappist the monk you're getting the right result because you're testing the old fixed module it was localised about 5 years ago R1F4T (talk) 18:20, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Now where I can make the "in Bengali" to "Bengali in" R1F4T (talk) 18:24, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Update:found it R1F4T (talk) 18:28, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hey where I can translate the ISSN number and ISBN number R1F4T (talk) 23:02, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
cs1|2 does not support translation of ISBN or ISSN in either direction; these (and other) identifiers are expected to use Arabic numerals.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 23:25, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ok R1F4T (talk) 02:42, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Award

[edit]

You have been recognized by Shearonink (talk) with a Patience & Fortitude LP as an award for your Long-Playing Patience when asked a Wiki-Question. Thanks!

Feel free to pass some Patience on to other patient experienced Wikipedians by adding {{subst:User:Shearonink/Longsuffering Patience Award}} ~~~~ to their talk page with whatever patience message you like.

Shearonink (talk) 01:45, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]