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If you do not want the page mover right anymore, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Thank you, and happy editing! Salvio giuliano 09:24, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please see my comment at WP:PERM. Salvio giuliano 09:25, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

18th-century people from the Thirteen Colonies

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I am thinking this could be a useful category. I think it would make lots of sense for politicians and lawyers. I am not sure it would be needed in all cases. Category:Actresses from the Thirteen Colonies is de facto that. The first professional theatre in the Thirteen Colonies was only in the 1750s. So I split that category out from Category:18th-century American actresses. I think I put some who were active before 1776 and after 1783 in both categories. The big issue is that although it is clear that before 1776 there is no United States, it is less clear exactly where to draw the end. Someone who wrote 1 book (and nothing else of any type ever) that was published in 1773, would best go in 18th-century writers from the Thirteen Colonies if that category exists, even if he lives until 1795 or even 1815. However if our hypothetical writer wrote 2 pamphlets in 1779 how does he go? I think this is a place where there is no hard and fast rule. Clearly people who only start doing things in a profession after 1783 would go in 18th-century American writers, 18th-century American politicians, 18th-century American lawyers, etc. If someone wrote 25 items that we have on a list, and only one of them was written before 1783, 20 by 1800, and 4 after that date, then putting them in 18th-century writers from the Thirteen Colonies would be overcategorization. However the tricky bits are things like planters, If a guy takes over his family plantation even in 1774, but he is only 21 at the time, and proceeds to continue as a planter until 1825, is he really worth putting in Planters from colonial Virginia. If a guy has been a planter since 1729 and dies in 1777, do we really put him in a category because he was a planter for a few months after the Declaration of Independence? I think we should pay attention to de facto not de jure status, at least where de jure status is really disputed. So from 1775-1783 we avoid overcat on little points, and if people in this time frame are essentially under British control then they belong in the 13 Colony and related cats, and if they are essentially part of the American movement, then they belong in cattegories related to the United States. For example on the whole I think Ann Eliza Bleecker would not belong in Category:Writers from the Thirteen Colonies or any sub-cat thereof, but in Category:18th-century American writers, since she is clearly in the camp of the Revolution and does not began even really publishing things for family members until 1779. Most of her work is not fully published until after she dies in 1783. Hugh Henry Brackenridge however was writing significant texts by 1770, and so would belong in Category:18th-century writers from the Thirteen Colonies, he also of course belongs in 18th-century American writers, for other later works. On the other hand you have William Williams (artist) who may have written the first novel created in the Thirteen Colonies. He was English born, but had lived in the colonies for a few decades. However in 1776 he returns to England. He clearly is not really an American anything, because he leaves just as it is becoming American. My short review of Category:18th-century American novelists, which has 12 articles, suggests that 11 of them belong there, 2 of them belong in Category:18th-century writers from the Thirteen Colonies, but only 1 of those would fit in Category:Novelists from the Thirteen Colonies, so Williams, the 1 who would fit there, probably should be moved to being in 18th-century writers from the Thirteen Colonies and just plain novelists. It seems that 18th-century writers from the Thirteen Colonies would be large enough to justify, but I do not think large enough to have any sub-categories. I have not fully looked at this yet though.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:41, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Johnpacklambert Your analysis seems right to me. I know very little of the subject, but from what I've read, an American identity didn't develop until after independence. Politicians and leaders in the revolution would have thought of themselves differently before the general populace did, who would still have viewed themselves as British. I'd say take it on a case-by-case basis, as you say, and if a case is ambiguous, it can go in both categories. Mclay1 (talk) 01:17, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Some people would go in both categories not because they are ambiguous, but because they belong in both. They were say a merchant who sold merchandise in 1768 and still a merchant selling merchandise in 1793. We likewise have people in the Russian Empire and the Soviet category, be thry a writer, merchant oemr artist. Of course there are some United Empire loyalist who never become American, who are a part of the reason it is probably not a good idea to have ptlre-1776 American categories. Only part. The other is people start using those as an excuse to divide New France people between Canadians and Americans, even though the line is drawn after much negotiation in 1783, so clearly not the only possible line, and at least where I live in Detroit the British just ignored the line and continued to operate until Anthony Wayne winning at Fallen Timbers made doing so impossible. A guy who lived and worked in Detroit until 1795, and then goes across the river because of the end of Brotish rule does not belong in an American category at all. Detroit is a little populated frontier outpost at this time, and it's coverage in Wikipedia is not on the level of Dedham, Massachusetts, so this point will have little actual impact in categorizing articles, but it will have a little umpact.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:33, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You clearly know a lot more about it than I do, so I defer to the judgement of you and others if the categories are created, which is seems like they should be. Mclay1 (talk) 04:35, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Members of the Parliament of England categories

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The "pre-1707" is redundant. You should be doing the rename the other way round. DuncanHill (talk) 11:23, 18 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Two CfDs have decided on that naming format. See my reply at WP:CFDS. The subcategories need standardising. Mclay1 (talk) 11:31, 18 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

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The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
For being so active in the CFD/S discussion board! :D - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 03:38, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]