User talk:Kirkukturk3

Khasa dam moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Khasa dam. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it has no sources. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

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Hi. In this draft, you included material from a journal article that is available under a compatible Creative Commons Licence. That's okay, but you have to give attribution so that our readers are made aware that you copied the prose rather than wrote it yourself. It's also required under the terms of the license. I've added the attribution for this particular instance. Please make sure that you follow this licensing requirement when copying from compatibly-licensed material in the future, should your account be unblocked. — Diannaa (talk) 14:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Diannaa, Can you check if the paper by the U.O.B is the original work or not? Since it seems like the paper I sourced has stolen it from the U.O.B [1]

It's published by Saleh Isa Khassaf and Ali Muzher Madhloom which I can't find anywhere on the Beall's List. Kirkuk☆ Selaj/konuş 14:10, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This paper is not a copy of this paper, it that's what you mean. They are on the same topic, but spot checks reveal no copying from one to the other.

I'm not sure what you mean by "the paper I sourced" since your article had no sources at all? I found the matching content via CopyPatrol.

I have to go to work now, and will reply later if you've any further qustions. — Diannaa (talk) 14:18, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article was later on edited to delete the source I added sorry for the confusion but this is it [2]

It turned out one of the publishers was on Beall's List and I didn't know. I just wanted to make sure the kne by the UOB is the correct one. Kirkuk☆ Selaj/konuş 14:22, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some of the topics mentioned in [3] had a degree of similarity to the UOB paper.

But thank you for answering. Kirkuk☆ Selaj/konuş 14:24, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The citation was removed by MarkH21, who said it's not a reliable source. He said that because the journal where it was published is a predatory journal which means they don't do any fact-checking and accept pretty much every submission. I had to re-add it due to the extensive copying and the need to provide proper attribution for the copied content. I think all the copied material needs to come out, as well as the citation. I will do that now. — Ninja Diannaa (Talk) 15:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Kirkuk☆ Selaj/konuş 15:31, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also I see on the Commons you claimed that at least one image was your own work when you copied it from somewhere else. Not cool at all. File:Khasa dam 3.jpg is the one I corrected. Please go back to the other images and tell us where you actually got them. (You are not blocked on the Commons) — Ninja Diannaa (Talk) 15:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello sorry for the inconvenience, I was in a hurry uploading these images and forgot to credit the person who uploaded the khasa dam pictures, I think I got them from a Facebook post (?).

I will credit it when i get back home ASAP. Kirkuk☆ Selaj/konuş 15:47, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Diannaa

Done Kirkuk☆ Selaj/konuş 16:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Material on Facebook is copyright, and you can't copy stuff from there without written permission from the copyright holder. There's full instructions as to what to do at your Commons user talk page. — Diannaa (talk) 18:30, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I tried finding the pictures and try to find the email of IMOWR and ask them about if it was reported on the site of the Iraqi Ministery of Water Resources i found nothing.

It seems like the pictures were just a repost and most likely taken from the authors of the analysis you credited for khasa dam 3.jpg Kirkuk☆ Selaj/konuş 19:05, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Without a permission email from the copyright holders, the files I tagged will be deleted. On the Commons, this sometimes takes a while. — Diannaa (talk) 20:27, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked for nationalist POV editing and many problems

You have been blocked indefinitely for persistently unhelpful editing despite being provided with much information and advice. This includes confusion about copyright, see this together with this, and your unembarrassed canvassing on User talk:NICTON t, with insults towards a whole people ("Why do Kurds love vandalising pages?"). See Special:Diff/1230584619. Also confusion about reliable sources and (as with the other problems) unwillingness or inability to profit from advice from experienced users, as illustrated by this discussion. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Bishonen | tålk 09:39, 24 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Hello @Bishonen,

I hope it's alright to ask for further clarification regarding the recent block. As the recipient of the comment on my talk page, I didn't find it offensive neither i háve complained about it . I wonder if this context might be relevant.

Additionally, I've noticed that the blocked user often provided sources for their edits, particularly on pages related to our shared ethnic group. There seems to have been a content dispute with another editor frequently reverting these changes.

I'm concerned that this situation might have unintentionally led to the loss of well-sourced information about our ethnic group, because some guy from a totally different background having 0 info about us , Would it be possible to have a neutral review of the content in question and the sources provided?

I appreciate your time and any insight you can offer on this matter. NICTON t (talk) 11:28, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also could you please clarify if there were any specific warnings given to the user about these issues prior to the block?

I fully believe user dosent deserve a ban at all, and I'm trying to understand the full context of the situation and how it escalated to this point. NICTON t (talk) 11:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NICTON t, my complaint about Kirkuktuk's comment on your talk wasn't that it was likely to be offensive to you, or that you'd be likely to complain about it. On the contrary, Kirkuktuk was surely aware that they were speaking to somebody sympathetic to their POV (which is what canvassing means) after this exchange between the two of you in February and, as implied in that exchange, after discussions between the two of you off-wiki about how best to further that POV. I mean, you literally talked about using Wikipedia for "amplifying our “Turkmeneli” collective voice on a global scale". If I had seen that earlier, I would at the least have warned you strongly that Wikipedia is not for amplifying a nationalistic POV.

As for specific warnings about the issues I have exemplified, yes indeed there have been, for all of them — copyvio, sources, canvassing. They would be a lot easier to find if Kirkukturk didn't briskly remove anything they didn't like from the page, but they're not gone; you can find them in the page history, and so can the reviewing admin who will come to this page. To see a post from the History, click on the word "prev" in the line you're interested in. I'm afraid I'm not prepared to dig out the relevant diffs for you, considering Kirkukturk has made it a bit of a chore. Bishonen | tålk 13:07, 24 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Oh Semsûrî was aware they were talking to someone that viewed their POV about me too.

They wouldn't have contacted Doug Weller if he didn't contact me before.

also I did not delete everything on this talk page so that I couldn't be viewed as "bad" I deleted so that the page would be clean. I'm fully aware that anyone can access the old topics via the edit history. I wanted to archive all of them but I don't have the time to add all of them to one archive subsection.

Also I only talked to NICTON t because we're both well aware of Semsûrî and Kurdish Vandalism. Kirkuk☆ (Selaj/konuş) 13:13, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are doubling down on accusations that are part of the reason you are blocked. By the way, clicking on your username, which for some reason you've edited (which is ok if you are consistent), doesn't go to your talk page. Your comment at RSN and your comments about the copyvio show you are confused. Doug Weller talk 13:23, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know how to fix the talk page problem.

Also my comments on the RSN are just two comments about how I just added the general information about the khasa dam, are you talking about the ANI by any chance? Kirkuk☆ (Selaj/konuş) 13:28, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, [4]

"the "science publishing cooperation" includes many good details about the dam like its capacity and length, I don't see the problem since I only used the overall information about the dam and ignored unnecessary ones. Kirkuk☆ (Selaj/konuş) 6:51 pm, Yesterday (UTC+1)Reply

Just because some of their publishes are regarded as terrible doesn't mean this one is terrible too as its only Info about the dam which other sites other than the paper use too. Kirkuk☆ (Selaj/konuş) 6:53 pm, Yesterday (UTC+1}" Doug Weller talk 13:38, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These prove nothing, I've stated that I only used the info about dam and did not include any unnecessary info and it might be that the paper might be not terrible compared to their other ones.

The khasa dam draft page still includes the info I used. Kirkuk☆ Selaj/konuş 13:43, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also it seems like the predatory publisher might've just taken the paper from the University of Basra [5] and summarised it poorly, since the same data I used for the khasa dam is the exact same but explained better.(I've also checked publishers of the U.O.B paper) Kirkuk☆ Selaj/konuş 14:01, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Same publisher, right? So still not reliable. Doug Weller talk 16:14, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No,they're different papers. Kirkuk☆ Selaj/konuş 16:31, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes they are, and different journals. This one is also predatory.Wikipedia:WikiProject Academic Journals/Journals cited by Wikipedia/Questionable1. Doug Weller talk 06:56, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They're two different Publishers, please read the replies bellow. Kirkuk☆ Selaj/konuş 11:22, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are you saying that the publisher of the University paper, the " International Journal of Scientific & Engineering Research" you linked to isn't the one mentioned in Wikipedia:WikiProject Academic Journals/Journals cited by Wikipedia/Questionable1? Because it is. See [6] also. Doug Weller talk 13:09, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The page literally says. "While many, if not most, publications and publishers on this list have some questionable aspects to their publishing practices, these can still be reliable (or be otherwise acceptable) in limited circumstances. The CiteWatch cannot determine the full context in which a source is used"

This is also why many pages still use it, your literally just calling them predatory and dubious just because they've published their paper in a questionable journal. Remember they're professors that are educated in this topic. the "International Journal of Scientific & Engineering Research" sounds like a catchy name too.

They're overall not predatory. The journal might be predatory but accusing an actual reliable paper is debatable. Kirkuk☆ Selaj/konuş 13:27, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am not saying they are predatory, although I do think that we need to be careful - looking at one of them I do see a lot periodicals that Scopus links, so those papers are likely t be reliable. You have no way of knowing if this particular paper is reliable. As for catchy name, yes, that's what the predatory journals do, use a catchy name hopefully very much like a clearly reliable journal. Doug Weller talk 13:39, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adnan Zedan,Mariwan Faris and Ahmed Amer Abdulsattar are the publishers of the unreliable paper none of them ever studied in The University of Basra or were ever professors Kirkuk☆ Selaj/konuş 18:05, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Saleh Isa Khassaf and Ali Mahzer Madhloom are both professors in the UOB that have profession in these types of topics such as their paper on Adhaim dam. Kirkuk☆ Selaj/konuş 18:06, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Both are well known scholars.

For example Saleh.[7] Kirkuk☆ Selaj/konuş 18:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Publishing in a predatory journal makes them dubious, which is interesting. You can't get around that. Doug Weller talk 13:12, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also if you truly have checked my page history, you would've known that the canvassing accussation is recent and I have not been warned for it before.

Most of the sources part expect for the Neanderthal were sourced after the warn you can check the pages for yourself.

The "copyvio" one was only half true for one of the warns, the recent one by Semsûrî wasn't even fact checked by him and as I said in my appeal that the admin he contacted with his own POV didn't warn me, but word it better for me. Kirkuk☆ (Selaj/konuş) 13:18, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, the canvassing warning which I saw was actually on ANI (where you replied to it aggressively), not here on your talkpage. Bishonen | tålk 14:09, 24 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

I just replied to it aggressively because Semsûrî wasn't responding to any of my replies. Kirkuk☆ Selaj/konuş 14:29, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also I still haven't discussed anything off-wiki with NICTON t expect for a few short emails about the block and that's it. Kirkuk☆ (Selaj/konuş) 13:22, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

and you said you were going to phone him. Which puts him in a bad position. Doug Weller talk 16:56, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I said that?

I said I could contact him after I find my phone. I'm currently using an alternative phone which has none of my main Google accounts the only thing it has is my Wikipedia account. Kirkuk☆ Selaj/konuş 16:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I really do appreciate your time for considering a further clarification for the ban , as I understood the ban has nothing to do with any of the reasons you mentioned previously as copyright and vandalism ect . The main reason for this ban was mainly because a comment made of me before 4 months and a comment made by him yesterday on personal talk pages .

i do think the indefinite ban is un reasonable , the comment ban should've had 3 warnings then a ban . As this is not top tier issue like changing the content of a page ect .

@Bishonen , I know how valuable your time is to make this platform a safe place to all of us , and how you don’t have to respond but id like you to know that I would really really appreciate your time . NICTON t (talk) 13:47, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"The ban has nothing to do with any of the reasons you mentioned previously as copyright and vandalism ect". I'm sorry, NICTON t, I don't understand what you're saying. It seems to be nonsense. The block had nothing to do with the reasons I gave for the block (with diffs)? You believe the main reason I blocked Kirkukturk3 was actually something you, NICTON t, said four months ago..? That would be, well, unusual. I've replied to you once, trying to be as clear as I could; but there seems to be little or no communication going on. I'm done. My time actually is valuable, at least to me. Bishonen | tålk 14:03, 24 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

@NICTON t You are far too new to understand our policies and guidelines or the basis for this block. Doug Weller talk 16:52, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

+ bro im not perfect i don’t know everything . But i also think the “ indefinit ban “ is a bit over , i don’t know most things but I would’ve appreciated if the adminstors gave 3 warnings on this issue before the ban .

right q warning for copyright stuff were given, after the warning my friend didn’t insist on making these changes in simple terms he just gave up after the warning.

as i said earlier im far away from perfect and yes i dont fully understand the reasons , thats why i started asking for clarification. ( I know its non of my business, but the guy that were banned is my friend. ) NICTON t (talk) 16:58, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@NICTON t Huh? You’ve seen a number of the warnings they got, All of them before you started to post to this talk page. Is this enough warnings? [8]. Doug Weller talk 18:34, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please read most of the warnings and check the page they're Referencing.

You can see that most of them were edited by me again but with sources especially the one you kept on mentioning the October 2023 warnings.

The Semsûrî warnings were made everytime I made an edit that did not match their ideas especially the reason why he started the "disruption by kirkukturk3" topic in ANI. Kirkuk☆ Selaj/konuş 19:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[9] This is a Personal Attack it still counts even if it's a weak one. Kirkuk☆ Selaj/konuş 19:34, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That’s a link to his talk page. I’m not clear who you think was attacked, quote it here. Doug Weller talk 19:37, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If I wasn’t specific enough, if you are disruptive in the contentious topic area you may be topic banned, perhaps but not likely by me as my activity will be dropping. Your friend was to a large extent a victim of his lack of understanding and competence(hopefully you have seen some of their confusing sentences). Hopefully that won’t be a problem for you. Doug Weller talk 19:02, 24 June 2024 (UTC) Kirkuk☆ Selaj/konuş 19:39, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually reading this again, how are you sure that the off-wiki conversation had anything to do with "my POV"? It was about the block, it's really were that it wasn't obvious that semsurî wasn't trying to push their POV, search his name(Semsuri, because semsurî will give kurdish results instead) on google and the first two results are controversies about his actions.

And i yes i admit i was entirely wrong doing canvessing and the fact i claimed that the entirety of kurds are like him. That's embarrassing. And that was the last "POV" message I've done. Kirkuk 12:22, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

None of my edits were nationalistic it's just that Semsûrî does not accept of existence of Turkmen towns or areas

Turkmeneli is poorly worded and many of its claims are poorly sourced such as the "Historically dominant" part which the reference for it (Strakes) barely mentioned anything about turkmeneli and its boundaries. The most used term was that it's a Cultural region encompassing the lands that turkmens inhabit(I minorities and majorities)and I sourced it too.

Semsûrî kept on calling it "POV pushing" even though I sourced it.

Also in one case in Mandali when I deleted an unreliable source [10] which had no reference to the exact survey that conducted these estimates (Sulaymaniyah being 100% Kurdish and Kirkuk being 52% Kurdish) or even the survey for Mandali being 50% Kurdish.

Let me remind you that these are three regions that have experienced Assimilation and cultural shifts the closest I could get is kirkuk 1947 demographics (48%) and that's it.

Also when I added that Laylan Subdistrict is Majority Turkmen (it's one of the five predominantly Turkmen areas of Kirkuk) since in his POV, Laylan is Kurdish since its located in Kirkuk Governorate.

For example a Subdistrict like Shwan Subdistrict is Predominantly Kurdish which is also a page that I made.

He also has continuously removed the "Turkmen communities in iraq" category from multiple Turkmen districts and towns such as daquq [[11]]. Kirkuk☆ Selaj/konuş 12:22, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Kirkukturk3 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

In my past appeal, it seems like I went over(No sections, mentioning of Semsûrî way too many times and poorly explained). My block happened due to some reasons that I will explain and also explain how I can change and be different: 1. Nationalistic POV: Many of my edits look Nationalistic due to the topics I edit usually being towards my ethnicity. In the future, I will make sure to source as much as my edits as possible, I usually forget to source when I do large edits, although I do sometimes get reminded about it when I instantly go and add sources. 2. Copyright infringement I didn't copy and paste from any copyrighted sources although I do word similar to them like the one in Laylan Subdistrict although thanks to Diannaa the land dispute section was worded correctly. Although in the future I will make sure to use copyrighted sources for short, straightforward sentences. 3. Convessing I wasn't even warned about this topic for some reason. I didn't mean to convess with NICTON t I wanted to talk with him about a topic but worded it terribly, it was a topic he mentioned on my talk page a 4 months ago. 5. Sciencepubco I used source from a predatory publisher which I did not know was even predatory. I wanted to provide reliable data for my khasa dam page and then I stumbled upon the source, it provided general info about the khasa dam that I used on the page. A discussion happened about the khasa dam page which i only participated in the wikimapia part (I deleted the wikimapia source from the page) then I woke up this morning to the block which also stated "I didn't listen to experienced users" but I was asleep during the time the discussion continued and ended. I promise that I will check if the publisher of a source is predatory or not every time I try to add one.(Today I found out that the original work that the predatory publisher summarised poorly is by the University of Basra and it provides more and clearer details) I promise to be a better editor on Wikipedia and i will not repeat the same stuff. Thank you, Kirkukturk3. Kirkuk☆ (Selaj/konuş) 11:36, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

Here is my main concern: You were blocked for nationalistic POV editing and everything about this account, from the username, to your edits, to the discussions on this talk page, all point to the block being correct. While what you write in your appeal sounds like what we would like to hear, it doesn't go far enough. I don't think you can separate your POV from your edits as you feel so passionately about the topic. These issues are just going to keep popping up, and it's draining for all involved. Perhaps a topic ban could be carved out that will allow you to edit constructively elsewhere and demonstrate that you have a better understanding of copyright and sourcing; absent that, I'm declining your appeal. Ponyo^{bons mots} 22:43, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Ponyo I did wanna change my name but it stayed for so long now im just keeping it (My first accounts were Kirkukturk,Kirkukturk2)Also

how does my edits prove im nationalistic while i have a diverse editing history? the Turkmeneli one as you can see at this point was just trying to disprove the existence of the region rather than explain it.Even semsuris only reason was the anthem and map,which i later sourced.My discussion with Nicton t was barely Anything compared to the rest,if you mean by edits by the majority its still a clear no that most of my edits arent related to Turkmens its mostly about Iraq. The main reason you declined for was only accounted for 2 pages and nothing else,my name is my name and wont prove your concern.Kir kuk 07:12, 28 august 2024 (UTC) No obvious CU evidence of sockpuppetry. Kirkukturk3, please don't email me again. There's nothing I can do for you. --Yamla (talk) 17:30, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My email was nothing about my block, it was an apology due to what NICTON t did in the ANI, Sorry for the Inconvenience. Kirkuk 18:07, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Laylan Subdistrict moved to draftspace

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I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hi Kirkukturk3. Thank you for your work on Shwan Subdistrict. Another editor, MPGuy2824, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:

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@MPGuy2824: Hello! the page has been turned into a redirect by a user called Semsuri. If you can fix, please do it! Kirkuk 10:53, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, you can message the user who did that on their talk page and see if you can come to a consensus. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 11:08, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will try. Kirkuk 13:09, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MPGuy2824 As they are blocked, they can't message anyone. And they should not be asked to someone to proxy for them. Doug Weller talk 13:48, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can email Semsuri to ask him about it and try to reach a consensus there, or tell him in the email to open a topic about it here (if he has an email). Kirkuk 14:19, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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New block appeal

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Kirkukturk3 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I'm here to write an appeal, again. I've changed and I admit some stuff I've did was embarrassing such as proxying with an embarrassing title clearly being anti-kurdish. Though my other edits such as the copyright infringement one was a mistake by me. In the past, I didn't know how to word myself so I would just word the paragraph similar to the article. You can see my past edits on other Wikipedias and projects. I've clearly changed and I hope an admin can understand me. Also I promise to change my name (Kirkukturk3) to a better one because it seems nationalistic.

Decline reason:

Frankly, there's no possibility you'll be unblocked without a topic ban. Ponyo mentioned this in your previous unblock request. You have suggested no topic ban so I am declining your request. Yamla (talk) 13:05, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Yamla Is there no way I can prove that I've changed? Please check my edits on the Simple English Wikipedia(as an example). I've started to use sources and delete vandalism. It's been nearly a year since my block and Ponyo just suggested a topic ban. Kirkuk) 13:22, 28 January 2025 (UTC)}}[reply]

Yes, you could propose a broadly-construed topic ban. Short of that, I don't believe so. --Yamla (talk) 13:24, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

But on which topic? Topics related to Kurdistan? Kirkuk 13:28, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's up to you to propose, based on your understanding of the concerns raised here. --Yamla (talk) 13:29, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I believe Kurdistan, because if I'm not wrong it includes pages like Kirkuk. Kirkuk 13:32, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think username Kirkukturk3 is okay, it does not violate WP:U. @Star Mississippi @Liz @Significa liberdade @Yamla any chance you could help with this? Kirkukturk3 is proposing a topic ban for articles about Category:Kurdistan and states that the same mistakes will not be repeated. The user is knowledgeable about Iraq, knows Mesopotamian Arabic, Turkish and Turkmen Language, and we have a shortage of Wikipedians with a combination of such skills. For instance, we have very few watchers of the Iraq deletion sorting page. I think they deserve a second chance. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 02:19, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @TheJoyfulTentmaker

Apologies, but I do not recall any history with @Kirkukturk3 or their edits. Would you please remind me? It's late where I am and will be logging off shortly. No objection to anyone proceeding without further input from me Star Mississippi 03:04, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @Star Mississippi for looking into this. I know the user through their efforts to help launch the Mesopotamian Arabic Wikipedia, an edition of Wikipedia for an under-resourced language. I know it is a very difficult task since the language does not have a strong written tradition. Their efforts reflect an alignment with Wikipedia's mission, contribute positively as a volunteer, and help diversify the pool of English Wikipedia contributors. For these reasons, I believed their appeal was worth considering. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 03:26, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Given the problems that lead to the block, I will not personally lift this block. --Yamla (talk) 10:33, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I've even suggested a topic ban. I don't think my edits were as nationalistic as the block suggested. Yes my proxying was embarrassing but other than that, Semsûrî complained that I added an unsourced Map and Anthem (which I later on sourced), then the complain changed to the fact I deleted a source(You can check the source yourself the summary of the book had no relations to the text that it sourced). The other and last complain was me adding that Laylan is mostly Turkmen. None of this is Nationalistic at most they can be Regionalistic. I don't believe the block was wrong, it's just that it could've been temporary. Kirkuk 11:09, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You are free to contest your block. WP:GAB explains how. --Yamla (talk) 11:10, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you @Kirkukturk3 and @TheJoyfulTentmaker for the context and background. Without the full history, I'd say the information you provided @Kirkukturk3 is probably sufficient for a reviewing administrator to consider the request. Suggest you follow the steps there. Please do ping me if either if you needs further information. Star Mississippi 14:10, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'm actually interested in this, can you give more information about it? Thanks in regards! Kirkuk 12:24, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Kirkukturk3, I think they are referring to WP:GAB. I guess a convincing acknowledgement of past mistakes and a self-proposed topic ban could help your case. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 01:38, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've read that but sadly, whatever I try it doesn't work.

Semsûrî is a well known editor and my block is mainly because i added an infobox on the Turkmeneli page which included adding a map and an anthem which I later sourced.

And it also included deleting the source (first one) which seem unrelated to the text it sourced the book needs to be bought and the summary doesn't mention the text or anything similar to it which seemed odd.

My most embarrassing mistake is poorly wording a paragraph (which could lead to copyright claims on Wikipedia at the time I didn't know how to word a paragraph without making it similar to the source) and proxying because i had mental issues at the time.

The Semsûrî user also suspiciously turned a page i made about shwan subdistrict into a redirect.

I hope this summaries the situation well. Kirkuk 17:30, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewing the Block decision

Re-reading the reason once again,I realised there are holes in the reasoning that I’d like to discuss. First of all, my confusion on copyright is not a good reason to state, as the users involved could’ve easily explained my wrongdoings instead of bringing the problem to the ANI discussion. At the time, I wasn’t really knowledgeable about copyright and took it for granted. If users actually explained it to me with good faith I would’ve not done the same mistakes over and over, I also didn’t know how to word well (I’m now better at it since i’ve written tons of articles off-wiki) so I just worded based on the copyright source– again all of this could’ve been explained to me. And the “unembarrassed canvassing” wasn’t targeted towards the ethnic group, but rather the groups of Kurdish editors I’ve seen vandalising. I have a tradition of shortening it to Kurds, Turks etc and the reader will get an idea of who I’m referring towards. I’ve always thought referring to a group of people by “Kurds,Turks etc” is better than saying “Kurdish editors who vandalize pages in their favor” but as it turns out, I was wrong. Also “Confused with sources(With other many problems)” is re-stating the copyright issue and Semsuri reverting edits on the basis of “Deleting sources/Sourced Information” with the sources used either not refering to anything that the sourced information claimed or outright being unreliable with one of these sources claiming that Kurds constitute 50%+ of the population of said region which isn’t really a problem when talking about Sulaymaniah or Erbil but it can be a problem when talking about areas that Kurds and other ethnic groups are known to be pluralities but not more than 50%. And there was no clear source from where they got the census from. And no, I wasn’t ignoring advice from experienced users– a single comment can’t prove that. And the publishers were professors on the subject and even working in the University of Basra. It seems like they have fallen into the trap of a predatory journal because of its catchy name. I’ve also taken multiple advice from experienced users even about the subject the linked discussion is about so its safe to say it’s not a good argument. I hope readers actually understand what I’m saying rather than instantly assume I’m assuming in bad faith. This is not targetted towards anyone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kirkukturk3 (talk • contribs) 19:49, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Block Appeal

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

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Request reason:

I’m writing this once again while assuming in good faith. To admins and users passing by and are interested in knowing what has happened– you are free to check the discussions and my overall review. I’m once again promising any mistake done in the past won’t be done again stuff such as copyright and my confusion over it won’t happen once again as I had minimal understanding of copyright and couldn’t word articles clearly or distinct enough from the copyright source. I just want to contribute to the English Wikipedia project once again and I hope my reasoning is valid. Oh and the canvassing would not be done again, or my confusion about sources and I will take advice from experienced users. To whoever reading and wanting to make a decision I hope you read the “My new block appeal” section so you can base your decision on it.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kirkukturk3 (talk • contribs) 20:05, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

You were clearly told above that any unblock request would need to include a proposal from you regarding a topic restriction. This unblock request contains no such proposal. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 16:20, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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But I did suggest a topic in the appeal mentioned in the one you declined, I didn't know it had to be mentioned. @Seraphimble

Hi there! I just wanted to let you know that I've reorganized your page a little bit. Having general sections listed in chronological order is beneficial for people reviewing your block. Also, please remember to sign your messages by typing ~~~~ at the end. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 01:34, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Your help is greatly appreciated!

Kirkuk 05:03, 7 June 2025 (UTC) The only part of the reasons for the block that you have mentioned in this unblock request is copyright. To stand any chance of being unblocked you will need to show an understanding of all of the reasons. JBW (talk) 23:18, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's why I've written the review section, I'm gonna try to add more stuff to the reason without making it a mouthful of words. Kirkuk 07:25, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It seems like I can't add Turkish Nationalism without it applying the fact I was actually doing turkish nationalism which is very wrong, I'm infact not a citizen of Turkey.

This reasoning was also based on the fact that I didn't source the map and anthem for the Turkmeneli infobox, which I did afterwards. It was also based on me removing "Sourced info" which had no reference to the exact page of the paywalled book they took it from, and the book wasn't even about the topic it was sourcing in general.

And Semsuri also seemingly liked to revert my edits of Subdistricts in Kirkuk whenever they said "Turkmen majority" but turned the Shwan Subdistrict page into a redirect into Kirkuk(The city) which isn't the same thing.

The sources one (If I was wrong in it) is completely unrelated to Turkish nationalism and could be grouped into confusion with sources.

And the Turkmen majority Subdistrict shouldn't even be controversial, I wasn't going nationalistic neither was I ever gonna say every area in Kirkuk is Turkmen majority,it's just that specific Subdistrict being Turkmen which made the reason "Turkish Nationalism" Kirkuk 07:44, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Kirkukturk3, I'd like to help you as a peer here, but your statements may not be sufficient to convince the admins that the problems won't repeat. You had said: The other and last complain was me adding that Laylan is mostly Turkmen. None of this is Nationalistic at most they can be Regionalistic. I don't believe the block was wrong, it's just that it could've been temporary. Could you elaborate on these? Why do you think your block was a correct action, but it could have been temporary? TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 21:08, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

i believe it could've been a good action if it was truly for Copyright and Canvassing. It could've been at most a week. Copyright could've been explained to me easily and Canvassing is a reason that I can understand.

I wouldn't have contested the block and done all of this if the reasons were obvious and valid and that I would've gotten some stuff explained to me.

This is why I'm mad at it, the reasons were vague and contradictory, nothing about copyright was explained to me, users dismissed professors at the university of Basra because they published in a predatory journal, nothing of copyright was explained not even its simplest features, Admins believed Semsûrî— a well known regionalist he might be an experienced user, but he can't separate his ideology and identity from his edits.

I came to Wikipedia in good faith, to edit and write information. I've improved tons of Articles, but when it came to improving the Turkmeneli article with an infobox and writing about subdistricts with Turkmen majority, it for some reason became a problem.

I hope this explained it well and tell me if you want a more precise and clear explanation because sometimes my writings are unclear, cheers! Kirkuk 12:37, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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My appeal

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Request reason:

I've truly changed this time, it's been a year since I've been blocked, I promise I won't do what I've done on this site. Copyright, Canvassing and a huge misunderstanding about sources was all embarrassing stuff I did, and these mistakes were done in the past and won't be done again in the future, for the topic ban I suggest [12](Kurdistan). Kirkuk 21:29, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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As opposed to the category, I would prefer "Kurdistan or Kurds broadly construed". PhilKnight (talk) 12:30, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Non-administrator comment) If you were placed under this topic ban, what edits would you make instead? Are there any topics that you would be interested in, and how would you go about making your edits to them? ‍Relativity ⚡️ 17:04, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If I edit a page related to Kirkuk, it's just me deleting something that I wrote or source it. Although mostly I'm interested in anything related to tech (especially phones). Most of my edits will concentrated around that field. Kirkuk 17:46, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My edits around tech pages will most likely be creating drafts and fixing unsourced material. Kirkuk 17:47, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]