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Ways to improve Prins Oscar (ship)

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Hello, Die Nordschleife,

Thank you for creating Prins Oscar (ship).

I have tagged the page as having some issues to fix, as a part of our page curation process and note that:

You can find a guide to adding inline citations at Help:Referencing for beginners. If you're still confused, you can reach me at User talk:Relativity or you may be able to get a faster answer at our Teahouse.

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‍Relativity ⚡️ 16:21, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please read WP:NC-SHIPS before creating any more ship articles

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Thank you. Llammakey (talk) 15:37, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, thank you. Die Nordschleife (talk) 17:06, 15 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

HSwMS Carlscrona moved to draftspace

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Thanks for your contributions to HSwMS Carlscrona. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit the draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 22:38, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed and sent for review. The version which was sent for review can be seen here. Die Nordschleife (talk) 17:06, 15 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

HSwMS Prins Oscar moved to draftspace

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Thanks for your contributions to HSwMS Prins Oscar. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit the draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 22:39, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

HSwMS Göta Lejon (1746) moved to draftspace

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Thanks for your contributions to HSwMS Göta Lejon (1746). Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit the draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 22:39, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed and submitted for review. The version which was submitted for review can be seen here. Die Nordschleife (talk) 17:37, 15 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

HSwMS Prins Karl moved to draftspace

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Thanks for your contributions to HSwMS Prins Karl. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit the draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 22:40, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed and submitted for review. The version which was submitted for review can be seen here. Die Nordschleife (talk) 18:01, 15 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello! Die Nordschleife, you are invited to the Teahouse, a forum on Wikipedia for new editors to ask questions about editing Wikipedia, and get support from peers and experienced editors. Please join us! Liz Read! Talk! 23:39, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jedeurska trädgården moved to draftspace

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Thanks for your contributions to Jedeurska trädgården. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability and Higab.se (real estate company) does not help establish this garden's notability. FWIW, I searched in DN, SvD, AB, and PressReader - was not able to find any mentions of this garden.. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit the draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Zzz plant (talk) 23:43, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

HSwMS Dristigheten (1785) moved to draftspace

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Thanks for your contributions to HSwMS Dristigheten (1785). Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it has no sources and In-text citations are needed per WP:CITE to show how reliable, third-party WP:INDEPENDENT published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy WP:RELIABLE are used to provide evidence for your claims. These will then help create formatted references per WP:REFSTART.. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit the draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. FULBERT (talk) 12:35, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of HSwMS Norrköping (1858)

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A tag has been placed on HSwMS Norrköping (1858) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a company, corporation or organization that does not credibly indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

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HSwMS Norrköping (1858) moved to draftspace

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Thanks for your contributions to HSwMS Norrköping (1858). Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit the draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. TarnishedPathtalk 12:06, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: HSwMS Carls Crona (1749) (September 15)

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Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Absurdum4242 was:
This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:
Make sure you add references that meet these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.
 The comment the reviewer left was:
This is a really nice start to the article, unfortunately, citations 1 and 3 don’t seem to directly touch on the things they are being used to cite, and are both more passing references at any rate, so cannot be used to prove notability. The second source is excellent, but we need at least one more like it to be able to accept this article. The Hans Norman book looks like it would be incredibly helpful in this, but I can’t find anything online which lets me look inside it, and I can’t see direct quotations from it in the Swedish version of this article either. Hopefully you’ll be able to find some more sources quickly though, because I’d love to se this article accepted. Keep up the good work.
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.
Absurdum4242 (talk) 22:37, 15 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

About notability and references for 300+ year old ships

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Göta Lejon, a ship launched in 1745

I created a number of articles about centuries old Swedish ships of the line, mostly by 1:1 translation from the Swedish Wikipedia. Some were accepted, others were moved to draft-space due to insufficient referencing. I fixed some of the articles in draft-space and submitted for approval. Some were rejected due to lack of widespread coverage.

Let's talk about that widespread coverage. The conditions for referencing a 300-year-old ship are a lot less favorable than those for a modern one. The preferred way to reference things on Wikipedia is by reliable and accessible online sources.

  1. I would like to remind that there was a lot less internet 300 years ago.
  2. The same goes for any news and media outlet. 300 years ago, there were a lot fewer of those.
  3. Same goes for radio, tv, newspapers, magazines, books or any other information source.

Most notable vessels that are centuries old will not have widespread online coverage. Let's take Göta Lejon, a ship from 1745/46 as an example. The fact that multiple museums, as well as Royal Swedish Society of Naval Sciences has information on it, proves sufficient notability.

There are multiple images available, despite the fact that cameras were not yet invented. That also indicated notability. Images available on the talk page:

Die Nordschleife (talk) 09:57, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

lol, I hear you, it’s an incredible pain in the arse. Officially, sources don’t actually need to be accessible online, they just need to be able to be referenced accurately, but of course tracking them down offline is hard in the first place. That they need to be secondary as opposed to primary sources makes it even harder. Ships, weirdly, are actually in a better position here than a lot of old things, because they often had people writing about their travels on them / reporting to other govt or company officials about the outcomes of their various journeys and missions. I’ve tracked down a lot of Japan connected ships that way, and it’s surprising what gets thrown up. On the other hand, try finding information on say Olympic athletes of the 40s and 50s, or minor TV shows and musicians of the 60s… nigh on impossible 😆 It doesn’t help that other language wiki projects have MUCH laxer citation standard than the English one (especially the Japanese one, to my constant annoyance, since that’s where I’m usually chasing my references).
As for your specific examples though - if those bodies DO have information on the ships, that’s definitely notable, and able to be referenced despite being offline - the trouble is getting your hands on those physical offline sources in the first place. Once you have them though… Absurdum4242 (talk) 09:37, 19 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have sent you a note about a page you started

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Hi Die Nordschleife. Thank you for your work on HSwMS Tapperheten (1785). Another editor, SunDawn, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:

Thank you for creating the article! Have a blessed day!

To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with {{Re|SunDawn}}. (Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)

✠ SunDawn ✠ Contact me! 10:58, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: HSwMS Carls Crona (1749) has been accepted

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HSwMS Carls Crona (1749), which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.

The article has been assessed as Stub-Class, which is recorded on its talk page. It is commonplace for new articles to start out as stubs and then attain higher grades as they develop over time. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

Since you have made at least 10 edits over more than four days, you can now create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for creation if you prefer.

If you have any questions, you are welcome to ask at the help desk. Once you have made at least 10 edits and had an account for at least four days, you will have the option to create articles yourself without posting a request to Articles for creation.

Thanks again, and happy editing!

Absurdum4242 (talk) 13:08, 19 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Was glad to be able to accept the article this time after all your extra work tracking down sources. While I was checking through them, I came across a reference to this book, which might help you with the other articles in this series (and maybe give us a little more on this shop too) - https://antikvariat.net/en/cla39370-arsbok-marinmusei-vanner-2012-antikvariat-classica. Can’t find it online, but physical copy is for sale, so…
Anyway, good luck with everything, keep up the good work 👍 Absurdum4242 (talk) 13:13, 19 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]