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DYK for Going Infinite

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On 16 January 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Going Infinite, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, compared a rival author to the subject of both their books, convicted fraudster Sam Bankman-Fried? You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Going Infinite), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Regarding a closed topic on "Talk"

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2023_Hamas-led_attack_on_Israel#The_terminology_used_regarding_the_October_7th_attacks

My request to edit the article to use the word "massacre" is valid, legitimate and doesn't breach any EC restrictions. Please clarify yourself on what restriction specificaly has been breached, and how. Thewildshoe (talk) 22:41, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I happen to agree with you on the substance, as you may have noticed. However, you need to use the "Edit Request" form. I hate to be bureaucratic, but that is how things are on these pages. There is an edit request directly below the discussion I hatted. I can try to find the form if you don't have access to it. Then you can pretty much replicate what you said in the post that I hatted, though I would suggest that you boil it down a bit. Remember that an Edit Request has to be specific. In other words, you need to specify where in the article the word "massacre" should appear, etc. Coretheapple (talk) 23:01, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ha!

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My brain hadn't registered that Doing Weller's note was a year past; thought it was this January - the old December/January mind slip! Iskandar323 (talk) 05:36, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Iskandar323 Dolng doing! Great typo. And that alert is out of date I believe as they can't use talk pages except for edit requests now. Doug Weller talk 07:53, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
New editors relying on the old alert may innocently fall afoul of the new restriction and might even be sanctioned for doing so. Perhaps there is some mechanized way of alerting them of the new rule. Also if the alert is out of date I imagine it would need to be fixed.
I think it would be helpful for talk pages of affected articles to state what new editors can and cannot do on those talk pages. Oddly, the current language doesn't say so. Coretheapple (talk) 15:12, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe an even better idea is to go back to the old way. What is wrong with constructive comments? Coretheapple (talk) 22:26, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Always precious

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Ten years ago, you were found precious. That's what you are, always. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:38, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Gerda! Coretheapple (talk) 15:58, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Good article, disturbing hook! Zanahary (talk) 13:31, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey, can you expand the lead section a bit? Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 17:50, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've been off-wiki but I will give it a look. Coretheapple (talk) 20:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aloha! Viriditas (talk) 20:56, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's a good suggestion, as I needed more of a description of the contents of the book. Coretheapple (talk) 21:34, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, can you take a look at Alvin J. Reines when you have time? I recently discovered his idea of polydoxy while working on the James A. Lindsay article. Apparently, there's a Christian theologian named David W. Congdon who points to polydoxy as a potential solution to the crisis in American Christianity. Did Reines come up with polydoxy or did he just incorporate it into his own concept of reform Judaism? Viriditas (talk) 21:39, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Found Polydoxy: Theology of Multiplicity and Relation (2010).[1] Once again, academia is 50 years behind Alan Watts. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. It's hard to take any of these people seriously. Watts was talking about this in the 1960s. Viriditas (talk) 00:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's interesting. A bit beyond my area of expertise however. Coretheapple (talk) 14:04, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not a Christian theologian! Just thought it was odd tracing the concept of polydoxy from 1987 to 2010, when Alan Watts and numerous others had been talking about this for years only to be ignored by academia. Now, it's suddenly acceptable, decades later, to talk about the same ideas. I've seen this thing play out over and over again. Viriditas (talk) 19:52, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, I'm notifying you that I have listed your name at Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 5/Evidence#Seven proposed parties as being among the most active editors in Palestine/Israel noticeboard disputes, and I have proposed that you participate as a party to the case. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 20:29, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, that's your privilege, but just FYI typically people are brought into Arbitration cases due to specific claims of misconduct, not as a kind of participation trophy because they took positions in various discussions, in my case largely quite a while ago. Coretheapple (talk) 21:58, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard § Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 5 closed

Tamzin Hadasa Kelly RFD

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Hello, you participated in an RFD discussion for Tamzin Hadasa Kelly, which redirects to the encyclopedia article Wikipedia administrators#Requests for adminship. However, several people (including me) misinterpreted it as a redirect to projectspace, it seemed like we couldn't have an accurate discussion, so I've closed the discussion and renominated it at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 February 2#Tamzin Hadasa Kelly. Please go there to participate again, and if your opinion at the first RFD still applies, please feel free to copy/paste your rationale from before. Nyttend (talk) 22:41, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I'll look at it. Thanks. Coretheapple (talk) 22:51, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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That wasn't a template

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For what it's worth I didn't template Jonathan f1 - that was a hand-crafted message. Simonm223 (talk) 18:41, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's true, but it was functionally equivalent with a topic header of "April 2025." I think badgering is a more serious issue with that editor. I don't believe this is a BLP matter. Coretheapple (talk) 19:11, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Being honest I agree with you but past experience tells me I'm not likely to persuade them to stop bludgeoning the conversation but I might at least persuade them to stop putting words into the mouth of BLP protected people. Which might slow the bludgeoning a bit. Regardless I've said my bit to them and am hoping not to have to deal with them much more over this issue. Simonm223 (talk) 19:14, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Their objection appears to be UNDUE, which is absurd. They're moving toward WP:TENDENTIOUS. But BLP? No. Coretheapple (talk) 19:18, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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