User talk:BoatFan9x

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Awesome! BoatFan9x (talk) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Bowman 66 (August 25)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Aydoh8 was:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just passing mentions about the subject)
reliable
secondary
independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Just as a note, please do not copy and paste submission templates from other drafts as they contain the wrong parameters (e.g. this one says it was submitted 3 days ago).

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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Aydo h8^{[what have I done now?]} 00:57, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent - great description of what needs to be done - i'll keep adding - just ran out of time over the weekend. Thanks! BoatFan9x (talk) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, BoatFan9x! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Aydo h8^{[what have I done now?]} 00:57, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry - i am not disappointed - i did want feedback before publishing it anyway - but the issue for wikipedia continues to be the rush to provide feedback in the form of "decline" rather than adding stuff. there was a time when wikipedia was more collaborative than now, before it was protectionist (but it's way better than the darkest of times with all the deletionist-purists now being less present). Maybe it's just me being overly sentimental. Thanks for the kind words, and the helpful resources - i will do my best to come up to speed. :) BoatFan9x (talk) 14:34, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Links to draft articles

Please do not introduce links to draft articles in actual articles, as you did to Bowman Yachts. Since a draft is not yet ready for the main article space, it is not in shape for ordinary readers, and links from articles should not go to a draft. Such links are contrary to the Manual of Style. These links have been removed. Thank you. - Arjayay (talk) 14:07, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Arjayay -

I didn't know how else to find them. That seems to still be a wikipedia oversight - but it's really nice to see this process being a little less wild west than 20 years ago. Is there a place where I can go see the drafts - that makes more sense?

I remember from the early 2000s, one of the major problems Wikipedia faced was rogue angry users were so prone to revenge deleting articles if suggestions were made to their niche pages - that it's not worth having a list of articles on your page for easy reference - this place used to be anarchy.

Anyway - it's good to be back. Nice meeting you. Would it be okay if i put a list at the bottom under references to "pages related to this page, in draft" - the point of drafting and wikipedia is to get collaboration - and it's very hard to get collaboration if the article needs to be perfect - or if the initial proposer has to have near perfect knowledge on the topic before it can be approved to reach a wider audience for detailed verification and expansion - something for the higher-ups to solve, one day perhaps! BoatFan9x (talk) 14:21, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi BoatFan9x, the purpose of distinguishing between draft articles and published articles is that drafts are not yet ready to be seen by readers; if we linked to draft articles from published articles, then there would be no meaningful distinction between draft articles and mainspace articles, as this would make the drafts no less publicly visible than the published pages. So unfortunately the answer to if you should link to draft articles below the references section is no. Vanilla Wizard 💙 19:10, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]