Template talk:Cyrillic navbox

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Red links? Redirects?

Opening up a discussion about the scope of this navbox, as it is already moving rapidly towards the situation of the old Cyrillic alphabet sidebar which was deleted earlier this year: that's to say it includes a lot of red links, a lot of redirects, as well as embeded images that link nowhere.

The major question as I see it is what the threshold that a letter should pass to be included, in other words, should we include red links? Should we include redirects?

My position is that we shouldn't include either. Including a letter like Komi Dje (as of now a redirect, which I expect to remain that way) which was partially adopted for a period of 10 years and then abandoned is confusing and obscures the purpose of the navbox, which in my view is an aid to navigating between information on different Cyrillic alphabets and the most common letters which are used by them. I don't see any utility in trying to duplicate List of Cyrillic letters, especially in a format that doesn't allow any annotation.

Underswamp (talk) 15:21, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redlinks currently present should be commented out until the article is created, as they are covered in reliable sources. I have specifically included the embedded images as they link to actual articles. Redirects should generally not be included unless the subject of the redirect can be shown to be notable and have its own article. I specifically re-added Komi Dje to be consistent with the whole series of "Molodtsov letters", which I believe once had an article but was merged into Komi alphabets. We should also establish notability criteria for letters, as they are distinct enough from the GNG in terms of this. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 18:50, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If we are talking one or two red links that's fine, but a sea of red links makes this template unhelpful. The same thing for commented out text, where some is fine, but a giant wall of text makes it much harder to edit. The edit history, or if needed, a post here, can be where you can list any non-links.

In the end the navbox should only include links to articles, no section links, no repeated links and no redirects. Per WP:BIDIRECTIONAL, the navbox should be placed on the pages it links to. Gonnym (talk) 10:26, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]