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Canadian dollar doesn't match 4217 style

Why does {{currency|1|CAD}} produce CA$1 and not CA$1 like it should from the style? That's how the page linked even stylizes it as CAD, matching it's ISO 4217 code. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish•growths)} 20:41, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'll self-reply here. I'm reading the note on Canadian dollar and I can't say I'm convinced but I see the reason. Alas. I'd like see a citation included in the note. In addition, I still don't think it's a good teason to siffer from the ISO codes. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish•growths)} 20:44, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've never personally seen Can$ but I have seen CA$ and C$ a lot. Beware that there are only 2 formal representations. "$" - which is useless in an international context. And "CAD" - which is useless in an informal context. "CA$", "C$", etc are only conventions (not formally agreed upon) but are common enough that they are easily recognisable. If no one objects over the next few days, I will change the currency template to "CA$" to match {{CAD}} and {{CA$}}. Stepho talk 22:29, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

~~The lead of Canadian Dollar has citations for Can$.~~

There is no standard disambiguating form, but the abbreviations Can$, CA$ and C$ are frequently used for distinction from other dollar-denominated currencies (though C$ remains ambiguous with the Nicaraguan córdoba).^[1]^[2]^[a]

so the current practice is not crazy. But has anyone ever seen it "in the wild"? Apart from CAD, the only form that I have ever seen too is CA$ (like AU$, NZ$) but then I live a long way from Canada so what do I know? Maybe it would be wise to invite comment at talk:Canadian dollar first? --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 00:17, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Completely struck out my irrelevant response because I failed to read the question. How to sit an examination, 101. <blush> --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 11:44, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm in support of the change to CA$ like the lead says on Canadian dollar. I know that's redundant as I was the one to open the discussion above, but I've come across this again and was reminded by my frustration. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish•growths)} 18:03, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for the late reply - the real world sometimes keeps me busy.
I have asked at Wikipedia_talk:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board#Currency and Talk:Canadian dollar#currency template for comments. After all, they have more skin in this game than me. Stepho talk 22:44, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've mostly seen CA$ or CAD, and a bit of CDN. I don't believe I have ever seen Can$ being used, so I'm in support of a change to CA$ or CAD. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 23:20, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Came here from Canadian dollar... agree I have never seen Can$. Would support CA$ as a prefix and thus the output from this template. "CAD" I believe is only ever used after the numeral, so for example 20 CAD, since I believe it's short for "Canadian dollar" (like "USD" is "US dollar") and thus "$20 CAD" would be redundant. —Joeyconnick (talk) 06:28, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

After giving people plenty of notice and time to comment, CA$ seems to be the consensus, so I have changed the template to use this. Stepho talk 23:47, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Canadian dollar (Symbol) (Linguistic recommendation from the Translation Bureau)". Translation Bureau. October 15, 2015. Archived from the original on February 19, 2020. Retrieved October 2, 2021. In an English document, when you need to specify the type of dollar (Canadian, American, Australian, etc.), the Translation Bureau recommends using the symbol Can$ to represent the Canadian dollar. ... The shorter variant C$ is another symbol frequently used for the Canadian dollar. However, the Translation Bureau does not recommend this symbol, since it has a slight risk of ambiguity: it is also used to represent the Nicaraguan córdoba oro, and occasionally the Cayman Islands dollar as well.
^ "World Bank Editorial Style Guide 2020 – page 135" (PDF). openknowledge.worldbank.org. Retrieved 2022-08-27. (page 135 is on page 143 of the pdf file and says "Can$".)

Notes

^ There are various common abbreviations to distinguish the Canadian dollar from others: while the ISO 4217 currency code "CAD" (a three-character code without monetary symbols) is common, no single system is universally accepted. The World Bank, Editing Canadian English and The Canadian Style guide all indicate "Can$". "C$" is the symbol for the Nicaraguan córdoba, and as such is discouraged by The Canadian Style guide. Editing Canadian English also indicates "CDN$"; both style guides note the ISO code.

New Zealand Pound

Kia ora, the template currently does not support the New Zealand Pound. This is a defunct currency used in New Zealand between 1840 and 1967. Because of the late switch to decimal currency a lot of articles about the history of New Zealand need to express numbers in pounds, but the currency template currently does not support that.

The commonly used short symbols for the currency are £ or £NZ. I would prefer to used NZ£, because this is consistent with the current format for NZ$ that is rendered by the template.

I would suggest that the code should be NZP because this does not appear elsewhere in ISO 4217 and is unlikely to result in future conflicts with the standard. If possible, I think the strings "New Zealand pound" and "NZ pound" should also be acceptable.

I'm happy to contribute any necessary underlying lua code and test cases for this, though I don't know where any of that is hosted or editable. David Palmer aka cloventt (talk) 22:13, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately we can't just invent an ISO code, so we can't use NZP. I don't see any fundamental problem with NZ£ v £NZ. Anyone else? --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 22:37, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Revert to pre-TheCurrencyGuy?

Those who participated in the Japanese Yen vs Chinese Yuan discussion, @JMF, Trappist the monk, and Beland: I've restored Module:Currency/Presentation at its sandbox (perma) back to Aug 2022, before banned user TheCurrencyGuy changed the whole thing without consensus. I've implemented the changes of subsequent editors. Here is a diff of what that looks like if we mirror the sandbox to the main page.

If there aren't any issues, then I suggest we restore. ~~lol1 VNIO (I made a mistake? talk to me) 17:49, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per the notes in the source, there should not be any 'historical' codes in currency_properties{}. I found DEM, DEM2, and DM. Those should be moved or deleted as appropriate. Otherwise, I favor restoration.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 17:59, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done diff, thank you! ~~lol1 VNIO (I made a mistake? talk to me) 18:03, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Estonian kroon, Slovak koruna, and Slovenian tolar

So, I was using the currency template on the "International versions" section on the page for Deal or No Deal, and I was using it with the Estonian kroon, the Slovak koruna, and the Slovenian tolar, and I got error messages, but I didn't when I used it with the Croatian kuna and the Lithuanian litas. I just happened to notice the inconsistency, and I just wanted to share it, that's all. GameShowWikiGuy (talk) 03:36, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The template can only use currencies listed at Module:Currency/Presentation. Anything with an ISO 4217 code can be added. I'm not familiar with those currencies, so I'll need to do a small bit of research first to find the correct symbols and formats. Stepho talk 05:22, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! GameShowWikiGuy (talk) 23:24, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe it is because those currencies are no longer current? --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 09:22, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, but the kuna and litas are no longer in circulation either, yet they're still in the code for the template. Maybe the others were removed from the template because they were removed from circulation, but the kuna and litas were forgotten and left in by mistake? Just a theory. GameShowWikiGuy (talk) 23:10, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion in the template does not rely on it being currently in use in the real world. If the currency is being mentioned frequently enough in WP articles then that is good enough to put it here. Stepho talk 23:21, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[Translation_Bureau-1] "Canadian dollar (Symbol) (Linguistic recommendation from the Translation Bureau)". Translation Bureau. October 15, 2015. Archived from the original on February 19, 2020. Retrieved October 2, 2021. In an English document, when you need to specify the type of dollar (Canadian, American, Australian, etc.), the Translation Bureau recommends using the symbol Can$ to represent the Canadian dollar. ... The shorter variant C$ is another symbol frequently used for the Canadian dollar. However, the Translation Bureau does not recommend this symbol, since it has a slight risk of ambiguity: it is also used to represent the Nicaraguan córdoba oro, and occasionally the Cayman Islands dollar as well.

[2] "World Bank Editorial Style Guide 2020 – page 135" (PDF). openknowledge.worldbank.org. Retrieved 2022-08-27. (page 135 is on page 143 of the pdf file and says "Can$".)

[3] There are various common abbreviations to distinguish the Canadian dollar from others: while the ISO 4217 currency code "CAD" (a three-character code without monetary symbols) is common, no single system is universally accepted. The World Bank, Editing Canadian English and The Canadian Style guide all indicate "Can$". "C$" is the symbol for the Nicaraguan córdoba, and as such is discouraged by The Canadian Style guide. Editing Canadian English also indicates "CDN$"; both style guides note the ISO code.

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