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Can someone explain the fines for the defendents? The numbers aren't making sense to me (someone unfamiliar with Brazilian justice system). The notes say, for example, that Bolsonaro is fined R$ 376 thousand, 124 days-fine of 2 minimum wages (2 × R$ 1,518 = R$ 3,036) each. However, from what I could find, the minimum wage in Brazil is R$ 1518 per month and not per day. Is there a conversion rule regarding the fines that's unexplained, or is the description/numbers wrong? TurquoiseGoose (talk) 07:17, 12 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
124 "dias-multa" (fine-days) of 2 minimum wages = 124 x 3,036 = R$376,464.
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Comment: As a bit of context, I titled this article "AP 2668" in line with the working standard for previous STF case articles, which are titled after their technical name – see Category:Supreme Federal Court of Brazil cases. Which isn't to say it's better to stay as is, but just something to keep in mind; if it's decided that this should be changed, perhaps all others should, too.
As for the suggestion, I'd change it to "Coup plot" instead of "Coup attempt", as that's how I've seen Brazilian media describe it ("Trama golpista") – well, apart from just calling it the "Bolsonaro trial", which doesn't take into consideration the other defendants. — Avelludo (Talk / Contribs / Log) 23:42, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support a change in general, but Neutral on the specific name proposed. I agree that the current name, "AP 2668", needs to be changed. The relevant guideline is MOS:LAW#Article titles, which states, Criminal trials that are notable for the people or crimes involved, not for the legal precedent they set, should be titled "Trial of (defendant)" or another commonly recognizable name. I have no opinion on what the new name should be. Other editors have suggested "coup plot" or "coup attempt", but I would defer to whatever term is commonly used in Brazilian sources. Another option is "Trial of Jair Bolsonaro", which is in keeping with the MOS:LAW guideline, but I also recognize that other defendants were included in this trial. Edge3 (talk) 04:16, 15 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't like my title either, I just wasn't able to come up with something better, though if I'd also probably use plot rather than attempt. However there still is the option to call it Trial of Jair Bolsonaro as COMMONNAME and just make redirects to ensure that people looking for the other involved people still find it. Squawk7700 (talk) 07:15, 15 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Something else to consider: this case, AP 2668, refers specifically to what's called the "Core 1" ("Núcleo 1") on trial for the coup plot. There are 3 other groups on trial for the same plot, with differing levels of involvement:[1][2]
Core 2: AP 2693
Core 3: AP 2696
Core 4: AP 2694
So maybe it's not ideal to call this article the "trial of the 2022 Brazilian coup plot" (though I do like that title), as there are others; this is just the most prominent for involving a former president. That is, unless we merge all trials in this same article... — Avelludo (Talk / Contribs / Log) 22:14, 15 September 2025 (UTC) — Avelludo (Talk / Contribs / Log) 22:14, 15 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment just as a note, perhaps I did not make this clear enough. My proposed title was meant as a starting point and it was my goal to eventually change it. Now in the discussion WP:PRECISE issues for nearly all proposed titles surfaced (not only case about the coup plot, other people than Bolsonaro involved, etc.). Anyways I found Edge3's example above interesting, from my observation, most english-language talk about it in some variation of Bolsonaro convicted by supreme court. I am just unsure whether this is enough to be a COMMONNAME, can anyone give some more information on how Portuguese-speaking sources describe it? Squawk7700 (talk) 16:46, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In English language sources, I’m seeing a mixture of headlines that use “Bolsonaro trial”, “coup trial conviction”, “coup plot conviction” or “convicted of/sentenced for plotting coup“. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 03:42, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support: also per WP:COMMONNAME; "AP 2668" can't be understood except by experts or people who are specifically interested in the topic. AP 2668 also is mostly about the trial of the coup, therefore the title proposed by Squawk7700 is more recognizable compared to AP 2668. HwyNerd Mike (tokk | contribs) 02:13, 19 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: As a bit of context, I titled this article "AP 2668" in line with the working standard for previous STF case articles, which are titled after their technical name – see Category:Supreme Federal Court of Brazil cases. Which isn't to say it's better to stay as is, but just something to keep in mind; if it's decided that this should be changed, perhaps all others should, too.