Talk:Súdwest-Fryslân

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On 15 November 2025, it was proposed that this article be moved to Southwest Friesland. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Requested move 15 November 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – LuniZunie ツ_(talk) 04:31, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Súdwest-Fryslân → Southwest FrieslandSouthwest Friesland – Per WP:USEENGLISH, 'Súdwest-Fryslân' is Dutch and not English and is not more common amongst English language sources (For example 0 hits for 'Súdwest-Fryslân' in English on Google News compared to a dozen for 'Southwest Friesland' Traumnovelle (talk) 20:14, 15 November 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Jeffrey34555 (talk) 18:37, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment 'Súdwest-Fryslân' is West Frisian not Dutch. As for Google News I get 8 results for 'Súdwest-Fryslân' (actually 6, with 2 in Dutch), and 7 for 'Southwest Friesland', so I'd prefer a wider search than just Google News. -- AxG / ✉  21:28, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  What English sources are using 'Súdwest-Fryslân'? The European Union uses 'Southwest Friesland' in English communications [1] [2] Traumnovelle (talk) 21:45, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Here are some English-language sources that use Súdwest-Fryslân: The Guardian, DW, CBC News, Interreg NWE, DNB, TU Delft, DBDH. — Ætoms ^[talk] 22:00, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Could you provide links to English-language sources that use 'Southwest Friesland' to refer specifically to this municipality (not just the southwestern part of Friesland)? Right now, the article titles of other Dutch (former) municipalities containing a cardinal direction are not translated either: cf. Noardeast-Fryslân, Noord-Beveland, Noorder-Koggenland, Noordoostpolder, Oost Gelre. — Ætoms ^[talk] 21:46, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The WP:CRITERIA state that article titles should be 'recognisable' and 'natural'. No native English speaker is going to know what Súdwest-Fryslân is, but 'Southwest Friesland' is instantly recognisable, hence we have Friesland and not Fryslân. Traumnovelle (talk) 22:04, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just because the name may be complicated to non-West Frisian speakers, doesn't mean it should be translated into English though. To me, the most natural title would be its official name – unless a different name is more commonly used in English-language sources (cf. The Hague). Here, the use of 'Southwest Friesland' doesn't seem to be well-established. — Ætoms ^[talk] 22:20, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Its used by the European Union. Traumnovelle (talk) 22:24, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose for now clear from the above that quality sources are using the local name. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:07, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.