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J.D. Capelouto (May 12, 2025). "Pope Leo XIV divides Wikipedia volunteer editors". Semafor. Retrieved May 12, 2025. They also disagreed over how to address the new pontiff's views on issues he has not publicly discussed in detail.
We have officially lost the plot. Of all the facile back and forths on whether we should call Pope Leo an American or not (which everybody in the Anglosphere is), by far the most ridiculous is this little gem of a line: "Leo XIV is the first pope to have been born in the United States or North America". Have you seen a map before? Saying he is the first pope to have been born in the United States or North America is like saying that Pope Benedict was the most recent German or European to have been pope. The US is very obviously in North America, to say that he is the first one from the United States or North America is ridiculously redundant. Saying he is the first from the United States would suffice. Can we all just agree to call him an American in English Wikipedia and whatever else in Spanish Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Midship Runabout (talk • contribs) 2025-05-13T03:00:41 (UTC) (Special:Diff/1290149657)
We should only say that he is the first born in North America. That already implies that he is the first born in the US. On another note: It's not WP:DUE to mention that he is the first pope born after WWII. How is that relevant? Joe vom Titan (talk) 12:25, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Jessintime you reverted my implementation of my suggestion above. Can you point out where it was agreed to include both first US and first North American in the lead? While we're at it, why don't we also say that he is the first pope from Illinois? Is the US really so important that it needs to mentioned twice in the lead paragraph? Joe vom Titan (talk) 21:18, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm I'm not sure it was discussed now, but regardless, if you can't understand the significance of him being the first pope from the US - not just North America - you shouldn't be editing the article. All of the coverage from the conclave was about him being from the US, not North America, as the idea of an American pope was basically considered taboo right up until he was elected. Jessintime (talk) 21:22, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Can we take out "North America" then to avoid the redundancy? "first born in the US" and "second from the Americas" together imply that he is the first from North America. Do you object to taking out first born after WWII? Joe vom Titan (talk) 21:35, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'd like to suggest updating the photo of Pope Leo XIV in the information box; the lighting in this photo looks better than the one currently being used.
Oppose - It's no better than the current image. As for differences in how popes dress, popes dress differently depending on the situation. That's not a good enough reason to replace the image. Sundayclose (talk) 21:25, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: The current image is suboptimal with the slight motion blur and dreadful lighting, but the proposed alternative is has less than a tenth the resolution, has a poor composition, and has a partially obscured view of the subject due to his glasses. Best, ~ Pbritti (talk) 21:40, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
1) Other things he likes are mentioned in the personal life section (football team, apple watch, supporting Peru/US in the world cup...)
2) Favorite movies like favorite books (favorite media in general) can say something about the opinions you hold or your worldview. Is that the case here and if so should we wait till secondary sources make some kind of analysis?
Arguments against inclusion:
1) IndieWire seems to be the only one paying attention to this.
I'd include it, popes have given statements on just about everything: industrialization, migration, vaccines, reproduction, the arts etc. Calling theaters and cinemas ''beating hearts of communities'' is a strong statement from a pope. Killuminator (talk) 11:33, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose including that trivia as irrelevant to his position. Wikipedia already has a hard enough time keeping irrelevant trivia out of articles. He's pope, not a film star or a child. Where do we draw the line in naming favorites? Favorite colors? Favorite songs? Favorite ice cream flavors? Favorite board games? Favorite dog names? It could go on endlessly. Lists of favorites trivializes both his position and the article. Do any other articles on popes list their favorite movies? For that matter, other than articles about people in the film industry, what other articles about people with his level of notability (that would include heads of state and major religious figures) list favorite movies? Sundayclose (talk) 19:53, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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