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Add 2b to most popular?

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@Melofors: Curious why 2b is omitted from most popular? Is it because the only source is WP:SELFSOURCE? Or another reason? Leijurv (talk) 23:21, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is because of WP:SELFSOURCE. As far as I know, there are no reliable sources for the player count. There may be, but they might be very outdated. Tell me if you know of any. —  Melofors  TC  01:58, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Makes sense tbh. In the 2b article itself, it's got an "according to the server owner". Wouldn't really make sense here. It's at times like this that I ponder on the fact that all of those numbers are technically according to their server owners, it's just that some secondary sources have copied the numbers. Leijurv (talk) 18:31, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, and that also goes for articles like List of best-selling video games. —  Melofors  TC  21:36, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Is there even a way to confirm player counts of everyone who ever joined a server without some kind of assistance from the owners? Doubt it. Regardless, it's a shame. 5aturnius (talk) 15:50, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hypixel as most common?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Minecraft&diff=927628728&oldid=927626635

Consensus on Minecraft seems to be to call Hypixel "one of" the most popular, while this article just says THE most popular. I'm not quite sure that consensus like that would directly transfer between articles, but might as well bring these two articles into alignment? idk. @Hellknowz: @Melofors: Leijurv (talk) 21:38, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Only Variety article says anything about being popular and it says "one of the", so that's (the only thing) what we can say. I imagine this article has taken slight liberties about WP:V versus WP:TRUTH. I suppose Melofors should be a little more careful citing material. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 22:11, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I added this source from The Hollywood Reporter for that information about Hypixel being popular. —  Melofors  TC  01:51, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hypixel is the most popular server. See Guinness records.  Nixinova   T   C   05:14, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds like Minecraft needs to be updated then :) Leijurv (talk) 18:07, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 3 April 2020

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved (non-admin closure) ~SS49~ {talk} 12:52, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Minecraft servers → Minecraft server – Title should be singular. Title blacklist prevents me from performing this move myself.  Nixinova   T   C   02:15, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (plurals). The first exception appears to apply here, for "Articles on groups or classes of specific things." Leijurv (talk) 02:39, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This article is about the general concept of a Minecraft server, though, not just listing them.  Nixinova   T   C   06:54, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Never really paid attention to it before, but there is no actual reason for it to be plural when this discusses the topic/concept of a "Minecraft server" in singular, like every other article on Wikipedia. There is nothing particular about this topic to be considered a group of something. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 21:39, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The exception about "groups/classes" can be summed up like this: in running text, would you use the word "the" before the title? ("The Florida Keys", "The rivers of New Zealand"?) If not, it's definitely not going to fall under that exception. Support Red Slash 22:53, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Alright. Support Leijurv (talk) 22:54, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That's a really helpful way to think about it! Paintspot Infez (talk) 21:59, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Ordering of notable servers

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Should the notable servers be in alphabetical or chronological order? Leijurv (talk) 02:40, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alphabetical would probably be better.  Nixinova   T   C   06:55, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Title

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Shouldn't the Minecraft in the article's title be italicized? Computer165 (talk) 23:33, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 You're right, thanks. —  Melofors  TC  01:20, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Would a page dedicated to a specific popular server e.g Hermitcraft, Hypixel,etc. be notable enough to deserve their own pages? Thanks. Frogface08 (talk) 11:11, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Has there been enough significant coverage of those servers to be considered for their own page? Hermitcraft, for example, has had a considerable impact, but I can't find any independent articles discussing the server. Separately, I'd like to split the notable servers section into Public servers and Private servers. Currently, the list contains only public servers. Marsp (talk) 17:30, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
DSMP has its own article, and its popular Nbanchor373 (talk) 22:42, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is a bit of an old topic, but with Hermitcraft's continuing online presence I think an article for Hermitcraft would be of use! It's definitely had a lot of impact on the Minecraft/YouTube community, and what with the amount of content that exists for the server at this point, an article would be useful for newcomer viewers of the series. Maybe we can mark it as a red link for now? Corinabit (talk) 19:06, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Build the Earth

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Is Build the Earth considered a notable server? Build the Earth exists on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.135.0.22 (talk) 04:59, April 12, 2021 (UTC)

The table lists servers that have articles on Wikipedia, and all of them should pass WP:GNG. If you have concerns about their notability, you should bring it up at the corresponding article's talk page. SWinxy (talk) 19:00, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Shortening descriptions

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About my recent edit: it is a follow up to this edit in which I converted the list into a table. The list was getting massive and I knew it would only get bigger, since there are probably dozens of servers mentioned in the media, which would be way too many sections. It looked like a bunch of separate articles for each server. When I converted it to a table, though, I put those massive paragraphs into the "notes" column, which also looked ugly. It should really just be a short 1–3 sentence description for each server. I'm leaving this here in case anybody opposes these changes. —  Melofors  TC  22:46, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I support this change. Any information previously there should instead be either in their respective article or condensed in the notes, if not removed entirely. SWinxy (talk) 03:52, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of Digital Jesuit

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Should the Digital Jesuit entry be removed? I don't think it's notable enough to remain on the list (many citations don't necessarily indicate notability). The Robert Ballecer page has just a passing note at the very end of his article. The list points to Ballecer, but his article also points to Minecraft server#Notable servers, making neither page give much information on it (both pages have seemingly identical sentences). I'd be okay-ish if it was kept so long as Ballecer's page had a dedicated section for the server. Relevant policies: WP:NNC, WP:LSC, WP:INDISCRIMINATE, and WP:SOURCELIST. SWinxy (talk) 04:14, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A missed old server from 2010

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There is a server constantly running since 15 October 2010 that is not included in the list of notable servers.

It’s called “The Shire”. For the first few months it moved between various hosts and changed IPs, then they got a domain play.shirecraft.us that is still in use today. Still using the same map from 15 Oct 2010. Various artefacts from 2010 around the spawn area, including trees from Minecraft Alpha.

I’m finding it difficult to collate evidence for an obscure Minecraft server from 11 years ago, but here’s my attempt…

Is it worthy of being on the list? --CoffeeAndChill (talk) 00:40, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Unless its mentioned in media, no.  Nixinova   T   C   06:26, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I guess it depends on what you class as media. If you're asking for reputable sources from way back when it was created, you're unlikely to get that. The oldest article referenced for any server currently on the list is from 2016.
There's a unilad article here - https://www.unilad.co.uk/news/1500-people-spent-five-years-making-this-stunning-minecraft-map (mirrored here)
Gamestar article (German) - https://www.gamestar.de/artikel/minecraft,3274853.html
The video I linked to in my previous comment from a popular YouTube content creator - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0szlsSTuQC4
Does the Unilad or Gamestar article qualify?
--CoffeeAndChill (talk) 23:53, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sources should pass the standards of WP:RS, such as those at WP:VG/RS. Unilad accepts anyone's contributions and their acceptance criteria are unknown, so it is more than likely an unreliable source in itself. So you would have to instead show that the author is reliable as a self-published source - an expert in their field with significant publication history. But the content itself also doesn't really say much, doesn't list any dates or sources. "Here's a link, how cool is that" is the typical churnalism that we try to avoid. Honestly, 5 minutes of research would yield more content about that server than that article. In the end, I don't see how this is an acceptable source. —  HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 00:09, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your response
Gamestar is in the list of platform-specific reliable sources - Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources#Platform-specific, and the server has an article on Gamestar; granted it is not full of content, although it does link off to a photo album, but few of the references currently in use on this page appear to reference specific dates.
A video by "TheMisterEpic" is already used a reference on this page, and the server I am proposing to add is featured in one of their videos too. It's also been featured in videos by "Gameranx".
The server has a bunch of albums uploaded to imgur over the years which are timestamped.
I agree with you that the sources are not great. It seems a shame to have a piece of Minecraft history unacknowledged, alongside the other oldest communities that are still running.
Do you have any suggestions for where to go from here please?
--CoffeeAndChill (talk) 00:34, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Minehut

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Minehut is a notable Minecraft server for two reasons. Firstly, it's the second most popular Java server.[1] Secondly, its more than just a server, it has a content marketplace, forums, and free server hosting, making it more of an ecosystem than just a server.[2] The fact that it is a collection of other people's servers is a unique quirk that makes it perfect for this list. Here is a minute sampling of their media coverage (the have 15k backlinks according to Ahrefs):

https://west-games.com/minecraft-is-minehut-safe/
https://www.anbmedia.com/news/gaming/2021/04/moose-toys-brands-featured-in-minehut-spring-break/
https://www.montrealfamilies.ca/how-to-set-up-a-free-minecraft-server/
https://www.thetoyinsider.com/minehut-spring-break-event/
https://www.truegossiper.com/create-your-minecraft-server/
https://www.baystreet.ca/viewarticle.aspx?id=568723
https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/SUPER-LEAGUE-GAMING-INC-57237446/news/Super-League-Gaming-Continues-to-See-Dramatic-Audience-Growth-April-2020-Year-To-Date-Already-Large-30540763/
https://www.wallstreet-online.de/nachricht/12037550-super-league-to-present-at-the-22nd-annual-needham-growth-conference-on-january-14-2020
https://www.gurufocus.com/news/1098391/super-league-gaming-sees-dramatic-surge-in-users-community-engagement-and-hours-of-gameplay-across-multiple-platforms-
https://proapkinc.com/minehut-set-up-free-minecraft-server-hosting-with-minehut/
https://www.mancity.com/news/club/minecraft-soccer-city-63735687
https://toybook.com/moose-toys-super-league-gaming-collab/
User1042 (talk) 12:42, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Mine Track". Mine Track. Mine Track. Retrieved 21 June 2022.
  2. ^ "Mine Hut". Mine Hut. Retrieved 21 June 2022.
Wikipedia requires reliable sources, such as reliable video game sources , not just sources. A custom VG source search brings up nothing. Minecraft and everything related to it has attracted an enormous amount of sites, blogs and other content. The vast majority of it are not reliable by any measure that Wikipedia uses. Also, popularity is not a measure of notability, nor are things like being an "ecosystem". —  HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 13:27, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I realize this now. User1042 (talk) 23:28, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Potential Additions

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Since this article already goes into the backend of running a Minecraft server (proxy, etc), it might be worth mentioning transfer packets.[1] Since this article already mentions the EULA, it might be worth mentioning the fact that many notable Minecraft servers have pay-to-win PVP elements.[2][3][4][5] At this time, there doesn't seem to be any good sources to cite, but should any arise, maybe these should be mentioned in a sentence each. User1042 (talk) 11:26, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Even if certain qualms about revelancy may be imposed, this is an aspect of minecraft server culture that Mojang have deliberately ignored even though, it's supposed to be outright illegal or not allowed. 5aturnius (talk) 15:53, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Why Do We Need Transfer Packets?". Hypixel Forum. Hypixel. Retrieved 23 June 2022.
  2. ^ "Vortex Network Ranks". Vortex Network. Vortex Network. Retrieved 23 June 2022.
  3. ^ "The Archon Store". The Archon. The Archon. Retrieved 23 June 2022.
  4. ^ "Complex Gaming Store". Complex Gaming. Complex Gaming. Retrieved 23 June 2022.
  5. ^ "Purple Prison Item Shop". Purple Prison. Purple Prison. Retrieved 23 June 2022.

Section on the oldest server

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This section was based on Wikis, Youtube videos, and a listicle on 'oldest.org' - none of these are reliable sources. Per WP:V, this section should be removed. I have attempted to do so, but a new editor is edit warring with me, as well as adding more unreliable sources. MrOllie (talk) 01:07, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, none of these sources are reliable, even the oldest.org listicle. —  HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 10:04, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Novylen - the oldest Minecraft Server

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Novylen, is one of the oldest Minecraft Servers in existence. It was switched on on the day that Minecraft multiplayer was released (see website, may not be correct) and the SMP map was used as a survival singleplayer map by the server owner before Minecraft multiplayer in the Infdev (possible incorrect spelling) version. The server has always been running the SMP map.

This is the oldest Minecraft server because if you ask someone wherever a Minecraft server running an old map or a Minecraft server running a new map switched on at around the same time, 9/10 people will say old map.

I don't know much about the server but do play it. 80.2.214.217 (talk) 15:49, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How notable does a Minecraft Server have to be to be on the list?

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I was wondering how notable a server has to be on the list. Like in player counts. ABluePanda (talk) 07:33, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The metric is not player counts but descriptions in reliable sources  Nixinova   T   C   09:22, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Just for future editors, the list got discussed briefly at AN which led to some removals. --Super Goku V (talk) 17:06, 24 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 25 October 2023

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Add 90gq, it's a let's play server that is 13 years old now now Greenduk (talk) 06:13, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Liu1126 (talk) 08:51, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Survival Games

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Why does the search "Survival games" redirect here and not to List of survival games or Survival game? That makes no sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 179.214.179.135 (talk) 12:38, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the redirect. MrOllie (talk) 12:41, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Minehut Notable

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After a recent discussion on AN, a couple of servers got removed from the notable servers list. I added Minehut to the list nearly a year ago but it was one of the entries that was removed. I won't add it back myself since I may have a WP:COI as I am a (not paid) staff member on the server. So this is a request for it to be added back.

A different editor made a request back in 2022 but those articles apparently weren't reliable enough. I know just the size isn't enough for notability but they were once the second largest Java Minecraft server behind Hypixel. They've partnered with many large companies and organizations such as Nickelodeon[1], Disney, Manchester City,[2] Twitch with Twitch Rivals[3], and more. They are also currently owned by GamerSafer[4] who works with Microsoft and Mojang to make the Official Minecraft Server List.[5] The only issue is not much of this is verifiable through sources that may be considered reliable and I know about WP:VNT.

I will continue to look for more reliable sources to show more notability and just have this request here if someone else is able to find something. But understand if it cannot. Tarna652 (talk) 19:52, 24 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If someone else wants to deal with the COI issue, I will let them. (See WP:COI regardless.) That aside, I have done a custom Google search that excludes over a dozen sites that are not reliable enough (or are YouTube and would need to be judged individually, but are unlikely): https://www.google.com/search?q=-site%3Aminehut.com+-site%3Adownforeveryoneorjustme.com+-site%3Atrustpilot.com+-site%3Adiscord.com+-site%3Adiscourse.cubecoders.com+-site%3Areddit.com+-site%3Aforums.skunity.com+-site%3Ahypixel.net+-site%3Astackexchange.com+-site%3Afandom.com+-site%3Ayoutube.com+-site%3Ax.com+-site%3Atwitter.com+-site%3Aminehut.wiki.gg+Minehut
The results I got were the Games Beat article you listed (Games Beat is not listed at WP:GAMESOURCES), a Twingate article (which looks potentially unreliable), a Have I Been Pwned listing (Reliable when attributed, I believe; However, they report on generally any breech and are not good for determining notability), The Official Minecraft Server List! (WP:PRIMARY and they don't appear to be good for determining notability), a Super League Enterprise press release about Super League selling Minehut (WP:PRSOURCE, then PRIMARY), a Pulse 2.0 article (looks like a PR summary company, thus bad for notability), a forum thread that didn't get excluded as it didn't appear sooner, a Colorado Plays "review" (Unlinked as the website threw too many ads at me, doesn't appear to be a trustworthy website, and it was a How To rather than a review), Quora (would have been excluded if it had appeared in results sooner), and a different forum that didn't get excluded for the same reasons as earlier.
Mostly nothing for determining notability. Despite the three possibilities that I would have otherwise excluded, checking the other pages didn't improve things. More server lists, more forums, TikTok, more How To guides, etc. Sadly, I don't think this can be re-included due to a lack of non-PRIMARY sources. Pinging Alalch E. in case they have anything they want to add here, but otherwise I think this is an easy exclude. --Super Goku V (talk) 00:01, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the ping and the thorough analysis. I will look carefully at each source to see if something educational about Minecraft servers that involves and mentions Minehut can be obtained and added to the article. Wikipedia:Notability § Notability guidelines do not apply to content within articles or lists ... unless the selection criterion is that every entry meets the notability criteria for its own article in the English Wikipedia. With this list I believe that we should stick to this criterion because otherwise the list will be an arbitrary selection, which just isn't appropriate. Still noteworthy information about Minehut could possibly be added. I'm generally of an opinion that if a topic is noteworthy enough to be discussed in the running prose of an article (in some contextually meaningful way), it may be included in a list embedded on that same article, as it already discusses the topic, even though the list is for "all notable" entries. So I suggest forgetting about a standalone article and seeing if something can be added to the running prose while mentioning Minehut. This is a "liberal" approach, and I believe that most editors would strictly employ the "all notable" criterion to not allow even inclusion of CubeCraft Games, The Hive, and MinecraftOnline. —Alalch E. 00:44, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the only concern so far at AN is WP:NOTDIRECTORY. With that and with policy, I would say that our focus for inclusion should be on notability. If you believe that being able to include something in prose would qualify, then I do not currently intend to interfere with that. (I will note here though that I didn't refer to notability for the purposes of creating an article and that I am not fully sure this is possible.) Since I don't believe I have anything to help with for now, I will leave this to you and Tarna652 if that is okay. (And anyone else who wants to help.)
Before I finish, I do want to talk about one sentence in particular to be clear on my opinions on the situation. Regarding specifically your last sentence, I am unsure if most editors would apply that standard or not. But as I recall, I believe that I have seen it both ways. As long as the inclusion criteria is fair, of some notability, and within policy, then I don't see the problem with inclusion of CubeCraft Games and the rest. That would apply to Minehut as well, if it can be deemed to be of some notability. --Super Goku V (talk) 04:44, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Minehaunt's SPOOKTACULAR Event! #ad. 28 October 2021. Retrieved 24 July 2025.
  2. ^ "Introducing Soccer City!". 14 September 2020. Retrieved 24 July 2025.
  3. ^ 4/6/2021 - Twitch Rivals: Minecraft Mystery Games Prize Pool of $50k! (Stream Replay). 7 April 2021. Retrieved 24 July 2025.
  4. ^ Takahashi, Dean (29 February 2024). "GamerSafer acquires Minecraft-focused Minehut server community". Retrieved 24 July 2025.
  5. ^ "The Official Minecraft Server List is Live". 7 November 2023. Retrieved 24 July 2025.

Tarna652 (talk) 19:52, 24 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]