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The article meets the notability requirements as it contains multiple independent and reliable sources. E.g. Douglas Morris NGSM Roll And his obituary published in the Leigh Journal and Bolton Evening News. HRowntree (talk) 06:13, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why have you gone with the burial age over the newspaper age of death. Wonetulas (talk) 20:02, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

He was born on October 11th 1792 and died on September 21st 1881, Making him 88, not 89. The obituary contains an error HRowntree (talk) 20:03, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This page should not be speedily deleted because, AI was only used to check for grammatical errors, all sources and references have been found by me and all of the content is written by me, AI was used to clean the article and make sure it is encyclopedic other than biased or tangential. I still however created all of the content and structure aswell as thoroughly checking and inspecting the article before being published that all facts were correct when slightly altered by AI and that the references were all valuable and correct. HRowntree (talk) 06:59, 23 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph is one of very few known soldiers (he also was a sergeant) of the invasion of Java who not only received the very uncommon Java clasped Naval General Service Medal awarded to all but 665 people. But his obituary was printed in Two newspapers and he was photographed (very uncommon for a Napoleonic soldier). He was also quite likely to be the last surviving British soldier of the invasion of Java as he did 70 years after the campaign being 88, meaning to outlive him a soldier in the campaign would have had to be a minimum of about 82. His name is printer in the Douglas Morris roll book.

In short, due to his sergeant rank, obituary, photo, medal and the fact he was the last surviving british soldier of the invasion of Java makes him quite notable. HRowntree (talk) 06:09, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Don't forget to remove the template! (WP:DEPROD) Otherwise it will get deleted. My records show that the "Java" clasp was awarded to 695 recipients. Could you double-check this? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 08:56, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have checked and on the article Naval General Service Medal (1847), in the clasps section it shows 665. Also in Douglas Morris Book on the medal it shows 665 aswell. Hope this helps HRowntree (talk) 14:30, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have Gordon, L. L. (1971). British Medals and Battles. London: Spink & Son. Page 103 says "695". Just saying. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:04, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That may say that however, Wikipedia shows 665, so that's the hill I will die on plus https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Naval_General_Service_Medal_Roll_1793_18.html?id=5Gi-BAAAQBAJ&redir_esc=y. Page XLV showed 665. Just saying HRowntree (talk) 18:08, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is very often wrong and we must defer to proper sources. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 20:52, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, I agree, therefore in the book

https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Naval_General_Service_Medal_Roll_1793_18.html?id=5Gi-BAAAQBAJ&redir_esc=y

It does state 665, maybe 695 is a misprint or misread HRowntree (talk) 20:54, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What we have are two RS: Douglas-Morris and Gordon. One of them is a misprint. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:21, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We could go by date and say that the spink one (1971) is older and therefore the original? HRowntree (talk) 21:24, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like the 665 figure is more widely accepted. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:32, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you want me to tell you, that you won then good luck because I am stubborn, but the evidence does seem compelling 🤔 HRowntree (talk) 21:34, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have some new evidence, I know have no idea what to believe but i have jusg looked at (https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/46046852?mark=7b22746f6b656e223a226c7673352b4464313858656a303037724f54326a7438507666377362316e38645746387767564c713344343d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d).

They hold the original roll of records for the NGSM medal and as it says on page 271, "Number Awarded 692. (Including 6 Army Medals) "

So the figures are both incorrect, both 665 and 695. HRowntree (talk) 18:09, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]