Talk:Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine

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Independent International Commission of Inquiry in Ukraine
AbbreviationIICI Ukraine
Formation4 March 2022; 3 years ago (2022-03-04)
TypeUnited Nations commission of inquiry, advisory board
Legal statusActive
HeadquartersGeneva, Switzerland
Erik Møse
Parent organization
United Nations Human Rights Council
Websitewww.ohchr.org/en/hr-bodies/hrc/iicihr-ukraine/index
Vrinda Grover, Pablo de Greiff
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At the end of the lead add: The Commission's mandate was most recently extended in April 2025, through resolution 58/24[1]

78.81.123.235 (talk) 07:23, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done D1551D3N7 (talk) 14:12, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-protected request on 7 July 2025

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78.81.123.235 (talk) 11:53, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Please, edit the section Structure:
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including Jasminka Džumhur from Bosnia and Herzegovina and [[Pablo de Greiff]] from Colombia.
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including [[Pablo de Greiff]] from Colombia and [[Vrinda Grover]] from India. Jasminka Džumhur from Bosnia and Herzegovina was Commision member before Vrinda Grover.
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March 2024 report

The commission's March 15, 2024, report addressed the documented cases of sexual violence and torture, in addition to Russia’s ill-treatment of Ukrainian prisoners of war with "widespread and systematic torture".[4]

September/October 2024 updates

In updates of Comission Chair on 23 September and 29 October 2024, further to focus on torture and sexual violence, both attacks with explosive weapons and the impact of aerial bombing on critical energy infrastructure were emphasised.[5]

March 2025 report

At the end of its third mandate, on 19 March 2025, the commission delivered report stating: "The armed conflict initiated by the Russian Federation’s aggression against Ukraine has led to over 12.000 killed and more than 29.000 injured civilians, large-scale destruction, and damage of civilian dwellings and infrastructure." Unresponsivness from Russia to comission's communication was underlined again.[6]

May 2025 paper

In its Conference room paper published on 28 May and corroborated by the same findings of similar Human Rights Watch report, the commission declared Russian drone attacks on Ukrainian civilians in Kherson Oblast to be war crimes and crimes against humanity.[7]

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*[[Special Tribunal for the Crime of Aggression against Ukraine]]
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|website = www.ohchr.org/en/hr-bodies/hrc/iicihr-ukraine/index | footnotes = Members: Pablo de Greiff, Vrinda Grover

78.81.123.235 (talk) 09:37, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You can edit the article directly it's no longer "extended-protected". Use the preview feature to keep the changes to as few revisions as possible. D1551D3N7 (talk) 10:38, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@D1551D3N7, hi. Thank you for your attention. But as an IP-editor, I'm under WP:RUSUKR CTOP. Will try to minimize revisions. 78.81.123.235 (talk) 11:34, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • First item: There's not much point using https://www.ohchr.org/en/hr-bodies/hrc/iicihr-ukraine/members to show who is now the set of members. More useful is to show when one member replaced another. You should also consider using <nowiki>...</nowiki> since it was unclear that you had a reference there at all. Boud (talk) 18:45, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Second item: It's incorrect to use The Jurist to justify "widespread and systematic torture". The author states Secondly, he addressed the documented cases of sexual violence and torture, citing a March 2024 report from the UN's Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine. On his last point, Narayan ... He referenced several findings from the UN. A recent finding from the UN showed that Ukrainian war prisoners were subjected to "widespread and systematic torture and ill-treatment." So we have no idea which particular recent finding Narayan is referring to.
  • Third item: only one of the two refs is an "update"; the other is a "statement" (which is presumably just restarting the "update"). Boud (talk) 19:12, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Boud, thank you very much for updates. Agreed with your revisions: all references are in use, and archived. The link to See also is added. Maybe, only infobox update with website address is to be considered.  Done. My request is set to yes. 78.81.123.235 (talk) 20:09, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fourth item: there's not much point giving a long quote from the IICoI's own view of its work. Moreover, the commission did actually point out that there were some Ukrainian war crimes and human rights violations.
  • Fifth item: this Jurist article is not about IICoI; instead this Jurist article is about IICoI.
  • Sixth item (see also): this seems OK.
Overall, even though the references are mostly relevant, at least one is not; there are {{failed verification}}s; so I had to do a lot of extra work to integrate summaries from the sources. If you make edit requests like that again, then in principle they should be refused. More useful would be to make a list of the sources that you think are useful (you can format them if you like, like you did this time) and a bullet point of what you think are summaries of their key points if you think that someone else is reasonably likely to agree with you that those are fair summaries of notable points. Alternatively, just give the references and keywords, e.g. "crime against humanity of murder".
In any case, per WP:MAKINGEREQ, If you submit a request that consists of several edits ... editors might quickly lose interest or be unable to help. WP:MAKINGEREQ doesn't state it, but submitting a request for six edits that requires quite a bit of extra work on five out of the six edits is also not very wise. Finding sources with a meta search engine like SearXNG or with a surveillance capitalism search engine is not difficult; appropriately summarising key points and properly integrating the info is what requires more work. Boud (talk) 20:12, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Duly noted. Thanks. 78.81.123.235 (talk) 20:19, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
OK :). Also: now I see that you made seven requests, where the first request was to add the URL to the infobox. I recommend that for the please change from X to Y format, you consider using <nowiki>...</nowiki> in the future, and just put a minimum of context needed to know where in the source you are requesting an edit (and explain in which section, paragraph). Boud (talk) 20:27, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine". United Nations Human Rights Council. Retrieved 25 June 2025.
  2. ^ Cite error: The named reference ThomReut_UN_names_experts was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  3. ^ "Human Rights Expert Members of the Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine". OHCHR.org. Retrieved 7 July 2025.
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  6. ^ "Statement by Erik Møse, Chair of the Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine, at the 58th session of the Human Rights Council". OHCHR.org. 19 March 2025. Retrieved 7 July 2025. The Commission reiterates its gratitude to all those who shared valuable information. We appreciate the cooperation by the Government of Ukraine. The Russian Federation has not responded to any of our 31 communications, including requests for information about incidents where the alleged victims were Russian.
  7. ^ Darina Boykova, U. Ottawa Faculty of Law (3 June 2025). "Russia drone attacks against civilians violate international law, rights group says". JURIST. Retrieved 7 July 2025. 
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