Talk:Haider

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"...variants of the transliteration"

transliteration of what? SReynhout 08:44, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Merge proposal

I propose merging multiple variants of "Haider" into Haider, these being Hyder (name), Hyderi (name), Heydari (name), Haydar, Heidar, Heydar, and perhaps others that I have missed. Perhaps Hajder should also be included but this should be given more discussion, as it is not proven to be a variant yet, while the others note that they are variants of "Haider". Right now, these names are very similar and are all non-English names, so they can be transliterated differently. All of them note that they are derived from the Arabic nickname of caliph Ali, and so should be merged. The specific spelling variations being from different regions (like South Asia, Iran, Azerbaijan, etc.) can be noted in the article.
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The merge location may also be debated, I saw that this was roughly the largest so I thought it would be the common name. User:Easternsahara 16:45, 21 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think the German/Austrian name should not be merged with the Arabic and other names; perhaps there could be a separate page titled like Haider (German surname). Qaswa (talk) 17:03, 21 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, that could be created and Heider (surname) can be merged with it. A hatenote for the german variation can be placed on the arabic name and vice versa. Could you comment on the current merge proposal though? User:Easternsahara 17:09, 21 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think all names which are derived from the cognomen of Ali, are culturally connected and may be united in one article. Qaswa (talk) 18:01, 21 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose indiscriminate merging. A bad idea merging of given name and surname pages wwith different spellings. It is like merging John and Johnson into one page. Also you cannot merge surnames Haider and Hyder. They have different etymologies. Even with sme etymologies, we often keep separate pages, because surnames are stably different, such as Hovhannisyan and Oganessian. I many cases you cannot be sure the actual origin of the name/surname for individual persons. And so on. Basically do not mess with things where you do not have sufficient knowledge. Therefore keep the pages according to spelling, just like Johnson, Johnsen, Jonson, Jonsson, etc. --Altenmann >talk 18:56, 21 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose per Altenmann, though I could support a smaller subset of merges of surnames for which there is an sourced single etymology and near-identity in spelling. BD2412 T 20:32, 21 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Right, Haydar, Heidar, Heydar, Hajder can be safely merged, with parts from Haider, and Hyder. --Altenmann >talk 20:57, 21 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Mostly oppose, although happy to merge where there are undisputed convergences (name origin and occurrences), and with smaller name lists. I note that Aditi Rao Hydari (born 1986), Indian actress, appears on Hyderi (name), with only one other name on that "list", being Shamsher-ul-Hyderi (1931–2012), Sindhi poet from Pakistan, so it hardly seems worth keeping that list at all. She (the Indian actress) also appears on Heydari (name), although her spelling does not match that one either. She should probably just appear as a See also on those. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 04:08, 22 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Mmerging of Heydari and Hyderi surnames is also awkward: while the etymology is the same, the provenance is rather different. --Altenmann >talk 05:41, 22 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Etymologies

As usual, people gleaning info from various "babynames" internets are confused and confusing wikipedia readers. "Haydar" is not translated as lion; it is one of epithets of lion, meaning "swift", and lion may be referred to by this (and other) epithets. I will try to find a good ref for this, suh as: David Larsen, Names of the Lion by Ibn Khālawayh. --Altenmann >talk 05:51, 22 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]