User talk:Snow Rise
This user is busy with off-project obligations and, with apologies, may not respond to all inquiries quickly at this time.
 |
Notice: I take all complaints in the form of epic rap battles.
Archives
| Administrators' Newsletter |
|---|
| September 2025 |
 |
|---|
| 9 August 2025 |
Plus a mysterious CheckUser incident, and the news with Wikinews.
A review of June, July and August.
Who is this guy?
Threads since June.
And slop.
It's not a conlang, it's a crossword puzzle.
gang aft agley, an' lea'e us nought but grief an' pain, for promis'd joy!
Everybody's Somebody's Fool.
|
Feedback request: Religion and philosophy request for comment
[edit]
You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. Message delivered to you with love by Yapperbot :) | Is this wrong? Contact my bot operator. | Sent at 18:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: Wikipedia policies and guidelines request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. Message delivered to you with love by Yapperbot :) | Is this wrong? Contact my bot operator. | Sent at 19:31, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – January 2025
[edit]News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2024).
Administrator changes
CheckUser changes
Guideline and policy news
- Following an RFC, Wikipedia:Notability (species) was adopted as a subject-specific notability guideline.
- A request for comment is open to discuss whether admins should be advised to warn users rather than issue no-warning blocks to those who have posted promotional content outside of article space.
Technical news
- The Nuke feature also now provides links to the userpage of the user whose pages were deleted, and to the pages which were not selected for deletion, after page deletions are queued. This enables easier follow-up admin-actions.
Arbitration
- Following the 2024 Arbitration Committee elections, the following editors have been elected to the Arbitration Committee: CaptainEek, Daniel, Elli, KrakatoaKatie, Liz, Primefac, ScottishFinnishRadish, Theleekycauldron, Worm That Turned.
Miscellaneous
- A New Pages Patrol backlog drive is happening in January 2025 to reduce the number of unreviewed articles and redirects in the new pages feed. Sign up here to participate!
Feedback request: Maths, science, and technology request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. Message delivered to you with love by Yapperbot :) | Is this wrong? Contact my bot operator. | Sent at 02:30, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
January music
[edit] | |
| story · music · places |
|---|
Happy new year 2025, opened with trumpet fanfares that first sounded OTD in 1725 (as the Main page had it). My story today is about a composer who influenced music history also by writing. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:44, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
... and today, pictured on the Main page, Tosca, in memory of her first appearance on stage OTD in 1900, and of principal author Brian Boulton. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:23, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
Today, between many who just died, Tobias Kratzer on his 45th birthday who was good for an unusual DYK mentioning a Verdi opera in 2018, - you can see his work in the trailer of another one that I saw, and my talk page has a third (but by a different director). 2025 pics, finally. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:07, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: Economy, trade, and companies request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. Message delivered to you with love by Yapperbot :) | Is this wrong? Contact my bot operator. | Sent at 10:30, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: History and geography request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. Message delivered to you with love by Yapperbot :) | Is this wrong? Contact my bot operator. | Sent at 02:31, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: Media, the arts, and architecture request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. Message delivered to you with love by Yapperbot :) | Is this wrong? Contact my bot operator. | Sent at 11:30, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
Interested in participating in an interview study regarding LLMs?
[edit]Dear @Snow Rise,
It is our pleasure to invite you to join a study at the University of Minnesota! The objective of the study is to understand how large language models (LLMs) impact the collaborative knowledge production process, by investigating knowledge contributors’ interactions with LLMs in practice.
If you have used LLMs (e.g., GPT, Llama, Claude...) in the process of contributing to Wikipedia (eg. grammar check, finding resources, writing scripts...), we’d love to join the study! You will be engaging in a 45-60 min interview, talking and reflecting about your experience with Wikipedia and your perception/usage of LLMs in Wikipedia. Your valuable input will not only help us understand practical ways to incorporate LLMs into the knowledge production process, but also help us generate guardrails about these practices. All participation would be anonymous.
In addition, if you know any editor who may have used LLMs during their edits, we highly appreciate it if you could share their contact with us, as we can reach out to them.
To learn more, please feel free to start a chat with me in email or take a look at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:How_LLMs_impact_knowledge_production_processes or direcly sign up: https://umn.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_bqIjhNRg9Zqsuvs
Thank you so much for your time and consideration!
All the best, LLMs and knowledge production Research Team Phoebezz22 (talk) 18:24, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: Politics, government, and law request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. Message delivered to you with love by Yapperbot :) | Is this wrong? Contact my bot operator. | Sent at 21:30, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: Politics, government, and law request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. Message delivered to you with love by Yapperbot :) | Is this wrong? Contact my bot operator. | Sent at 17:30, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: Wikipedia style and naming request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. Message delivered to you with love by Yapperbot :) | Is this wrong? Contact my bot operator. | Sent at 23:31, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: Maths, science, and technology request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. Message delivered to you with love by Yapperbot :) | Is this wrong? Contact my bot operator. | Sent at 22:30, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – February 2025
[edit]News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2025).
Administrator changes
CheckUser changes
Oversighter changes
Technical news
- Administrators can now nuke pages created by a user or IP address from the last 90 days, up from the initial 30 days. T380846
- A '
Recreated' tag will now be added to pages that were created with the same title as a page which was previously deleted and it can be used as a filter in Special:RecentChanges and Special:NewPages. T56145
Arbitration
- The arbitration case Palestine-Israel articles 5 has been closed.
Feedback request: Maths, science, and technology request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. Message delivered to you with love by Yapperbot :) | Is this wrong? Contact my bot operator. | Sent at 19:30, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: Wikipedia technical issues and templates request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. Message delivered to you with love by Yapperbot :) | Is this wrong? Contact my bot operator. | Sent at 10:30, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: Wikipedia proposals request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. Message delivered to you with love by Yapperbot :) | Is this wrong? Contact my bot operator. | Sent at 06:30, 21 February 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: Language and linguistics request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. Message delivered to you with love by Yapperbot :) | Is this wrong? Contact my bot operator. | Sent at 03:30, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – March 2025
[edit]News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2025).
Administrator changes
CheckUser changes
Oversighter changes
Guideline and policy news
- A request for comment is open to discuss whether AI-generated images (meaning those wholly created by generative AI, not human-created images modified with AI tools) should be banned from use in articles.
- A series of 22 mini-RFCs that double-checked consensus on some aspects and improved certain parts of the administrator elections process has been closed (see the summary of the changes).
- A request for comment is open to gain consensus on whether future administrator elections should be held.
Technical news
- A new filter has been added to the Special:Nuke tool, which allows administrators to filter for pages in a range of page sizes (in bytes). This allows, for example, deleting pages only of a certain size or below. T378488
- Non-administrators can now check which pages are able to be deleted using the Special:Nuke tool. T376378
Miscellaneous
- The 2025 appointees for the Ombuds commission are だ＊ぜ, Arcticocean, Ameisenigel, Emufarmers, Faendalimas, Galahad, Nehaoua, Renvoy, Revi C., RoySmith, Teles and Zafer as members, with Vermont serving as steward-observer.
- Following the 2025 Steward Elections, the following editors have been appointed as stewards: 1234qwer1234qwer4, AramilFeraxa, Daniuu, KonstantinaG07, MdsShakil and XXBlackburnXx.
Feedback request: Maths, science, and technology request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. Message delivered to you with love by Yapperbot :) | Is this wrong? Contact my bot operator. | Sent at 19:32, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: Wikipedia policies and guidelines request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. Message delivered to you with love by Yapperbot :) | Is this wrong? Contact my bot operator. | Sent at 01:30, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: Politics, government, and law request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. Message delivered to you with love by Yapperbot :) | Is this wrong? Contact my bot operator. | Sent at 11:31, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
March music
[edit] | |
| story · music · places |
|---|
Today, 300 years of Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern, BWV 1! - We sang works for (mostly) double choir by Pachelbel, Johann Christoph Bach, Kuhnau/Bach, Gounod and Rheinberger! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:55, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: Politics, government, and law request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. Message delivered to you with love by Yapperbot :) | Is this wrong? Contact my bot operator. | Sent at 19:31, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – April 2025
[edit]News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2025).
Administrator changes
Bureaucrat changes
CheckUser changes
Oversighter changes
Miscellaneous
- Sign up for The Core Contest, a competition running from 15 April to 31 May to improve vital articles.
Since you brough it up directly as well...
[edit]Just a couple of days ago I asked the user in question if this approach was a personal thing. It clearly wasn't and I was wrong and I apologized, but I think it's worth noting that this approach to vibes-based weighing in on AfD/RfC/ANI threads is catching other users off guard. I already feel I'm skating here on a parallel discussion or aspersions and that isn't my intent; I just felt it'd be more inflammatory to dump this comment into the ANI and it feels like this is a wide issue? The context was jumping into an AfD with WP:SYNTH concerns and saying that he didn't read it but it passed WP:GNG, which wasn't actually the issue up for discussion. I was concerned that this was a bit personal after basically the same thing at an ANI which had the same issues of not responding to the policy concerns.
Also, since you're active, is there any chance you'd be able to look at the situation that appears to have blown up at the Mars Task Force that appears to be this issue on steroids? Link to the Mars Task Force thread, I left a summary of it on Valaree's page. If I'm across a line for discussing without pinging please let me know, I've always found it a bit tricky to navigate general comments with that standard appropriately and it's not my intention to violate it. Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ 12:18, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- Hi Warren. I'm afraid I don't feel capable of giving you a clear indication as to whether it is appropriate to raise these concerns here without a ping to Randy, as I don't think there's an outright policy standard on that question, and I lack enough understanding of the overall context of the inter-connected disputes and discussions to know how existing conduct guidelines apply. That said, I do feel confident in saying this: you should absolutely anticipate that anything you say about another community member in user space will get back to them sooner, rather than later. The project is very transparent in that way. Further, any time one is disputing a point on ANI, they can be confident their user page is getting a few extra views.
- Regarding this cluster of disputes, I would like to say first off that I think I can further confirm the conclusion you have already reached: I think it is unlikely that Randy's presence in that collection of discussions was anything more than coincidence, based on my (admittedly not huge) prior experience of him. For one thing, topics concerning western/new age mysticism are a particular interest for Randy, from what I have seen, so it is unsurprising that he would have found his way to that AfD. Additionally, from what I have seen in the past, Randy, though certainly not adverse to some degree of conflict, is not the sort to keep engaging with previous opponents out of sheer mendacity. I won't say that he doesn't inhabit high conflict areas or that he doesn't sometimes dig his heels in, because I've seen him do that at a number of discussions in article space that I landed on via RfC/FRS notices, and at ANI. I have at times observed his conduct in such discussions to be suboptimal in one way or another. But he also has a habit (laudable and well-advised) of only going against consensus so far, and then dropping the matter once resistance hits a certain threshold. He is not, in my (again, somewhat limited) experience, the type of contributor to indefinitely grind an axe and look for another opportunity to stick it to a previous opponent. Rather he is just someone with strong views on sourcing that I would describe as just a little to the side of community consensus. Combined with his interest in some fringe and psuedoscientific topics (an area of perennial high conflict on this project) and you have the makings for some heated disputes. But again, my experience suggests that he does not actively seek out conflict.
- Now, as to similarities between his stances at that Drbogdan discussion and the current one at ANI: yes, I see some overlap in his perspectives at both, and I think that's a common view from him in such discussions. But I don't think there's clear disruption as an inevitable result of those views. I raised the issue with him in the current discussion because I felt some of his language was more accusational against "the other side" than it needed to be in the present instance, and because I think it's important that if the community CBANs someone, that it be for rational reasons, not because rhetorical battle lines were drawn. I'm not saying that it's impossible that these views may eventually lead him into comments that are far more disruptive, but for the moment, I think we are well out of the range of a pattern that is anywhere problematic that it needs to be formally addressed by the community. Again, he's hardly the most passive user and there are occasions where I feel he comes in needlessly hot and even a bit hostile, but an LTA he is not.
- Lastly, regarding your request concerning the Mars Task Force, I feel that it would be inappropriate for me to involve myself there, under the circumstances. Given that I just criticized him for his rhetoric at the ANI discussion, he would be unlikely to perceive my entry into a separate dispute at your request as good faith, and I would thus be unable to work towards any constructive resolution of the issues there. Besides which, I have no particularly strong experience with editing that subject matter on Wikipedia--though, as the world's number one Carl Sagan "stan" (as I believe today's kids say), I have followed developments of the scientific exploration of the planet through the years. So if the FRS system summons me there, I would probably follow that notice, but otherwise I think it is best I not get involved.
- I hope I do not disappoint you too much. I appreciate that you are reaching out looking for a sympathetic ear, and yes, as far as it goes, I can understand why you might have been frustrated by some aspects of Randy's approach to those discussions (or what I saw of them, anyway). But Randy has faced relatively few sanctions as a result of his slightly idiosyncratic approach to sourcing and his occasional snarkiness, for a reason: because he knows not to push things too far and usually catches himself before he wrecks himself (as I believe the kinds from the previous generation were wont to say). I can't tell you with absolute authority that you should back away from further engagement with him at this time, because for all I know, you may have legitimate reasons for your concerns. But I think you will find that if you do back up, he will not keep seeking out reasons to engage with you. It just is not his style, as far as I have ever observed.
- Best of luck, and if I can assist you in other matters, the door to this talk page is always figuratively open. For as long as I remain here, in any event. SnowRise let's rap 19:13, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: Politics, government, and law request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. Message delivered to you with love by Yapperbot :) | Is this wrong? Contact my bot operator. | Sent at 04:30, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: Biographies request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. Message delivered to you with love by Yapperbot :) | Is this wrong? Contact my bot operator. | Sent at 20:31, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
Pun
[edit]Well, we can't be too surprised. Wolf 320 literally produces more heat than light.
This is officially the most obscure joke I have ever seen in my life. Both on and off wiki. I don't know if you should be proud or ashamed of yourself. LakesideMinersCome Talk To Me! 20:03, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
- I'll admit to having confronted that same uncertainty even as I posted it. :D. The human brain is a funny thing. Astronomy is not my professional field of inquiry, but a lifetime of fascination with it has committed a non-trivial number of memory neurons. When I saw the combination of 'Wolf' and a three-digit number, there was just no way that I was not going to be put in mind of Max Wolf's proper motion star catalog, which includes mostly red dwarfs (low levels of light, relative to their heat output as stellar types go). And it was just days ago that I happened to be opining about how discussions "generating more heat than light" had become a go-to turn-of-phrase in project space in recent years. Somehow, in that perfect storm of circumstances, and within the gumbo that is my thought processes, those random associations all just snapped together. In what I can assure you is a lifetime with a number of groan-inducing puns, I will say this one stands apart in its audacity and the grasping reach of it's reference points, but man did I ever feel teed-up for it by that combination of name and circumstance. If this ends up being my last major terrible joke here, I'll stand by it as a representative of what I do and do not bring to the virtue of levity. :) Thanks for stopping by, Lakeside; I appreciate it.SnowRise let's rap 05:23, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: History and geography request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. Message delivered to you with love by Yapperbot :) | Is this wrong? Contact my bot operator. | Sent at 03:31, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
Randy Kryn ANI
[edit]
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ 14:56, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Out here over tagging
- It seems I’m acting witless
- I don’t see beef in you
- I just saw another witness
- I’ll just leave you be
- to rest in ease
- I’ll get back to the ANI disasterpiece
- 🎤 Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ 19:19, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Yo Warren, hope I don't come off terse
- --been a spell since I spat a verse.
- Certainly don't regard us as adverse,
- but it's been a long day,
- and tomorrow's looking worse.
- Yo Warren, hope I don't come off terse
- So, I won't tell you not to do,
- what you feel that you gotta do
- --if you're certain you've been left no room.
- But on those issues,
- afraid I just don't have that zoom.
- So, I won't tell you not to do,
- I hope you find relief,
- if that's what you're looking for,
- having opened up that Incidents door,
- no telling what's in store,
- So, stretch to keep AGF at the core.
- I hope you find relief,
- SnowRise let's rap 07:35, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
- I spent about five minutes trying to write this one in rhyme: would you object to hatting the exchange between us on the ANI? It doesn't seem like that exchange is going to be critical to the ANI and I don't want yet another ANI where admins decide there's already too many words there to read... Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ 11:31, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
- SnowRise let's rap 07:35, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
- Well, some things are better spelled out in any event. Personally I would not support the hatting: the issues may not appear 'critical', but the discussion is on point as regards the issues you've raised, and thus does not really fall within the scope of what hatting is typically used for in a behavioural discussion. Beyond that, I'll tell you also that I don't think the hatting would be advisable for your position. It would very likely be perceived, by Randy at a minimum, and probably others, as an attempt to whitewash the record of something that might call your perspective into question--which was not the point of my response, but even so, that's a risk. Just as many people who take any degree of interest in the discussion are going to read the hatted content, especially given it would be of the first response to your post, so all the hatting will accomplish is to underline the content and provide potential grist for the mill against your position. As to the length of the discussion, I would not be overly concerned with that, as there is really no avoiding it, given your objective: by and large, any ANI discussion that results in a sanction (even a mutual IBAN) against a well-established editor is going to end up being of substantial size first. Especially where, as here, the issues require a close read to reach a determination. Just my food for thought, but I think you'd be doing your position a disservice if you attempted to hat. My response is much more likely to be given the appropriate amount of weight and fade into the background of the overall discussion if you leave it as is, I am fairly confident. SnowRise let's rap 18:21, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
New pages patrol May 2025 Backlog drive
[edit]| May 2025 Backlog Drive | New pages patrol |  |
| |
| You're receiving this message because you are a new page patroller. To opt-out of future mailings, please remove yourself here. | |
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:26, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: Wikipedia technical issues and templates request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. Message delivered to you with love by Yapperbot :) | Is this wrong? Contact my bot operator. | Sent at 12:30, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: Media, the arts, and architecture request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. Message delivered to you with love by Yapperbot :) | Is this wrong? Contact my bot operator. | Sent at 19:30, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: Language and linguistics request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. Message delivered to you with love by Yapperbot :) | Is this wrong? Contact my bot operator. | Sent at 21:30, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – May 2025
[edit]News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2025).
Administrator changes
Rusalkii
NaomiAmethyst (overlooked last month)
Interface administrator changes
Guideline and policy news
- Following an RfC, administrator elections were permanently authorized on a five-month schedule. The next election will be scheduled soon; see Wikipedia talk:Administrator elections for more information. This is an alternate process to the RfA process and does not replace the latter.
- An RfC was closed with consensus to allow editors to opt-out of seeing "sticky decorative elements". Such elements should now be wrapped in {{sticky decoration wrapper}}. Editors who wish to opt out can follow the instructions at WP:STICKYDECO.
- An RfC has resulted in a broad prohibition on the use of AI-generated images in articles. A few common-sense exceptions are recognized.
Miscellaneous
- A New Pages Patrol backlog drive is happening in May 2025 to reduce the backlog of articles in the new pages feed. Sign up here to participate!
Possible oops
[edit]I tried to restore a subsection title at WP:ANI which I believe was misformatted by your last edit. But now I don't actually think you even meant to post it right there. Perhaps you want to have another look, sorry. On a side note, do you think you could make your posts a wee bit more concise in general? ---Sluzzelin talk 23:26, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry, duh me! I think you accidentally posted it twice (my removal. So you can ignore everything, including my comment on length of posts (though you are also welcome to embrace it! Peace!) ---Sluzzelin talk 23:49, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oh, how odd: I'm not sure how that would have happened, but I appreciate you removing the redundancy, especially if it really was introduced in my original edit. I'll keep the observation/request about verbosity in mind: I'm not sure either my posts today qualifies as overlong, especially in the circumstances, but I can't deny that as a more general matter my observations can contain verbiage above the average--and that's obviously sometimes less than ideal in threads that are already tipping the scales. SnowRise let's rap 23:58, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Articles for Creation backlog drive
[edit]
Hello Snow Rise:
WikiProject Articles for creation is holding a month long Backlog Drive in June!
The goal of this drive is to reduce the backlog of unreviewed drafts to less than 1 month of outstanding reviews from the current 3+ months. Bonus points will be given for reviewing drafts that have been waiting more than 30 days. The drive is running from 1 June 2025 through 30 June 2025.
You may find Category:AfC pending submissions by age or other categories and sorting helpful.
Barnstars will be given out as awards at the end of the drive.
There is a backlog of over 3200 pages, so start reviewing drafts. We're looking forward to your help! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:25, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- If you wish to opt-out of future mailings, please remove yourself from the mailing list or alternatively to opt-out of all massmessage mailings, you may add Category:Wikipedians who opt out of message delivery to your user talk page.
May music
[edit] | |
| story · music · places |
|---|
Reasons to look at Bach (and listen): it's a recent GA (not by me), he assumed the position of Thomaskantor OTD in 1723, he's up for PR, and several of his cantatas for GA, and his Easter Oratorio for FAC. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:23, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – June 2025
[edit]News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2025).
Administrator changes
Interface administrator changes
Guideline and policy news
- An RfC is open to determine whether the English Wikipedia community should adopt a position on AI development by the WMF and its affiliates.
Technical news
- A new feature called Multiblocks will be deployed on English Wikipedia on the week of June 2. See the relevant announcement on the administrators' noticeboard.
- History merges performed using the mergehistory special page are now logged at both the source and destination, rather than just the source as previously, after this RFC and the resolution of T118132.
Arbitration
- An arbitration case named Indian military history has been opened. Evidence submissions for this case close on 8 June.
Miscellaneous
- Voting for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) election is open until 17 June 2025. Read the voting page on Meta-Wiki and cast your vote here!
- An Articles for Creation backlog drive is happening in June 2025, with over 1,600 drafts awaiting review from the past two months. In addition to AfC participants, all administrators and new page patrollers can help review using the Yet Another AFC Helper Script, which can be enabled in the Gadgets settings. Sign up here to participate!
- The Unreferenced articles backlog drive is happening in June 2025 to reduce the backlog of articles tagged with {{Unreferenced}}. You can help reduce the backlog by adding citations to these articles. Sign up to participate!
Feedback request: Maths, science, and technology request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. Message delivered to you with love by Yapperbot :) | Is this wrong? Contact my bot operator. | Sent at 13:47, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: Media, the arts, and architecture request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. Message delivered to you with love by Yapperbot :) | Is this wrong? Contact my bot operator. | Sent at 18:30, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: Language and linguistics request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. Message delivered to you with love by Yapperbot :) | Is this wrong? Contact my bot operator. | Sent at 15:31, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
June music
[edit] | |
| story · music · places |
|---|
Stravinsky pictured on his birthday + Vienna pics - but too many who died -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:35, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
... and today look at the autograph of Beethoven's last piano sonata and listen to the pianist who wanted to serve the compositions most of all - thank you for support in the RfC that I am determined to overlook! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:42, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
While you are of course invited to check out my recommendations any day, today offers unusually a great writer of novels, music with light and a place with exquisite food. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:16, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: Biographies request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. Message delivered to you with love by Yapperbot :) | Is this wrong? Contact my bot operator. | Sent at 00:31, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: Biographies request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. Message delivered to you with love by Yapperbot :) | Is this wrong? Contact my bot operator. | Sent at 06:31, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: Biographies request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. Message delivered to you with love by Yapperbot :) | Is this wrong? Contact my bot operator. | Sent at 15:31, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
"Terrestrial species" listed at Redirects for discussion
[edit]
The redirect Terrestrial species has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 3 § Terrestrial species until a consensus is reached. Cremastra (talk) 00:07, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: Wikipedia style and naming request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. (trialing replacing Yapperbot) SodiumBot (talk|botop) 09:31, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – July 2025
[edit]News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2025).
Administrator changes
Interface administrator changes
Guideline and policy news
- Following a talk page discussion, speedy deletion criterion G13 has been amended to remove "Userspace with no content except the article wizard placeholder text."
- WP:Manual of Style/Superscripts and subscripts was upgraded to a guideline following a RfC discussion.
Miscellaneous
- The 2025 Developing Countries WikiContest will run from 1 July to 30 September. Sign up now!
- Administrator elections will take place this month. Administrator elections are an alternative to RFA that is a gentler process for candidates due to secret voting and multiple people running together. The call for candidates is July 9–15, the discussion phase is July 18–22, and the voting phase is July 23–29. Get ready to submit your candidacy, or (with their consent) to nominate a talented candidate!
Feedback request: Language and linguistics request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. (trialing replacing Yapperbot) SodiumBot (talk|botop) 23:30, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: Language and linguistics request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. (trialing replacing Yapperbot) SodiumBot (talk|botop) 00:32, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: Wikipedia style and naming request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. (trialing replacing Yapperbot) SodiumBot (talk|botop) 08:31, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: Wikipedia style and naming request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. (trialing replacing Yapperbot) SodiumBot (talk|botop) 03:31, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: Politics, government, and law request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. (trialing replacing Yapperbot) SodiumBot (botop|talk) 22:32, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
July music
[edit] | |
| story · music · places |
|---|
Sharing flowers with you on Bach's day of death, - I decorated my user pages in memory, with his music, and my story ends on "peace". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:59, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – August 2025
[edit]News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2025).
Administrator changes
Guideline and policy news
- Following a request for comment, a new speedy deletion criterion, G15, has been enacted. It applies to pages generated by a large language model (LLM) without human review.
- Following a request for comment, there is a new policy outlining the granting of permissions to view the IP addresses of temporary accounts. Temporary account deployment on the English Wikipedia is currently scheduled for September 2025, and editors can request access to the permission ahead of time. Admins are encouraged to keep an eye on the request page; there will likely be a flood of editors requesting the permission when they realize they can no longer see IP addresses.
Technical news
- Administrators can now restrict the "Add a Link" feature to newcomers. The "Add a Link" Structured Task helps new account holders get started with editing. Administrators can configure this setting in the Community Configuration page.
Arbitration
- The arbitration case Indian military history has been closed.
- South Asia (WP:CT/SA) is designated a contentious topic. The topic area is specifically defined as
All pages related to the region of South Asia (India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Nepal), broadly construed, including but not limited to history, politics, ethnicity, and social groups.
- The contentious topic designations for Sri Lanka (SL) and India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan (IPA) are folded into this new contentious topic.
- The community-authorized general sanctions regarding South Asian social groups (GS/CASTE) are rescinded and folded into this new contentious topic.
- South Asia (WP:CT/SA) is designated a contentious topic. The topic area is specifically defined as
- The arbitration case Article titles and capitalisation 2 has been opened. Evidence submissions in this case closed on 31 July.
- The arbitration case Transgender healthcare and people has been opened. Evidence submissions in this case will close on 11 August.
Miscellaneous
- Wikimania 2025 is happening in Nairobi, Kenya, and online from August 6 to August 9. This year marks 20 years of Wikimania. Interested users can join the online event. Registration for the virtual event is free and will remain open throughout Wikimania. You can register here now.
Assistance with translating citations for potential future featured article candidate
[edit]I and another user are working on polishing a current good article, Rei Ayanami, to eventually nominate her article for a featured article candidacy. I saw in Wikipedia:Translators available that you can translate from Italian. Would you be willing to help us translate titles of Italian-language sources to English? I already translated titles of sources in Japanese and Chinese. Information about this matter is avaiable at Talk:Rei Ayanami, Talk:Rei Ayanami/to do, and Wikipedia:Peer review/Rei Ayanami/archive1. Thank you most sincerely for your time and consideration to this matter. Z. Patterson (talk) 03:54, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hi Z. Patterson: sure, I should be able to help you out with that, depending on how quickly you need it, as most of my time is already spoken for over the next few days. Indeed, it would be enjoyable: I haven't used my Italian for anything in quite some time now. You just want me to translate the content of the it.Wikipedia version of the article into a sandbox, so you can add anything there which is not already found in the other versions? SnowRise let's rap 04:40, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Snow Rise: Yes, I would like you to simply translate the titles of Italian sources into English. An example from the Rei Ayanami article is the following, amongst others. You may edit directly in the article as long as the English translation from Italian is correct.
- Cordella, Claudio (2020). "Cyborg e altri simulacri". Il volto di Ayanami. Simulacri e macchine pensanti tra Oriente e Occidente (in Italian). Delos Digital. ISBN 978-88-254-1217-8.
- Z. Patterson (talk) 04:59, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
- Oh, I see; I didn't realize the sources were already employed in our local article. Sure--that shouldn't be too difficult. I'll plug away at them as I get opportunities; looks like there are only a little over a dozen, so it shouldn't take long. SnowRise let's rap 05:18, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you most sincerely. In the meantime, I will be making the changes noted in Talk:Rei Ayanami/to do. Z. Patterson (talk) 12:47, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
- Z. Patterson: happy to help! Does this look consistent with the current ref style of the article and what you want added? SnowRise let's rap 21:13, 13 August 2025 (UTC)
- There is a |trans-title= parameter to put the English translation in. Other citations I and Mathglot prepared follow that convention. Thank you. Z. Patterson (talk) 10:26, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- Z. Patterson: happy to help! Does this look consistent with the current ref style of the article and what you want added? SnowRise let's rap 21:13, 13 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you most sincerely. In the meantime, I will be making the changes noted in Talk:Rei Ayanami/to do. Z. Patterson (talk) 12:47, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
- Oh, I see; I didn't realize the sources were already employed in our local article. Sure--that shouldn't be too difficult. I'll plug away at them as I get opportunities; looks like there are only a little over a dozen, so it shouldn't take long. SnowRise let's rap 05:18, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
Feedback requests from the Feedback Request Service
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. (trialing replacing Yapperbot) SodiumBot (botop|talk) 13:49, 12 August 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: Biographies request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. (trialing replacing Yapperbot) SodiumBot (botop|talk) 11:31, 14 August 2025 (UTC)
Ref desk troll
[edit]You're right that it's important not to make too big a fuss, as it just eggs them on. In the case of this character, his tells are very obvious to those of us who are unfortunately all too familiar with them. And so it goes. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:13, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
- I gotcha, Baseball Bugs: happy to follow your WP:BEANS call on this. I just wanted to make sure that we weren't complicating some poorly-educated individual's clumsy attempts to find reproductive health resources. But if you're confident this the latest iteration of a recurrent troll, that's good enough for me. SnowRise let's rap 00:02, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: Biographies request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. (trialing replacing Yapperbot) SodiumBot (botop|talk) 09:31, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: Biographies request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. (trialing replacing Yapperbot) SodiumBot (botop|talk) 17:30, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
August music
[edit] | |
| story · music · places |
|---|
Today's story - short version: ten years ago we had a DYK about a soprano who sang in concerts with me in the choir, - longer: I found today a youtube of an aria she sang with us then, recorded the same year, - if you still have time: our performances were the weekend before the Iraq war ultimatum, and we sang Dona nobis pacem (and the drummer drummed!) as if they could hear us in Washington. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:52, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
Check out my talk for an Independence day, or: the pic of Oksana Lyniv was taken on 24 August. There's listening and reading in today's story, and I like both. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:51, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
On top of my talk: birthday of a great violinist and Requiem for a great friend. We sang Paradisi gloria from the Stabat Mater in the end. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:45, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
New pages patrol September 2025 Backlog drive
[edit]| September 2025 Backlog Drive | New pages patrol | |
| |
| You're receiving this message because you are a new page patroller. To opt-out of future mailings, please remove yourself here. | |
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:32, 23 August 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: Media, the arts, and architecture request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. (trialing replacing Yapperbot) SodiumBot (botop|talk) 19:30, 23 August 2025 (UTC)
Location
[edit]If its best to let that discussion die down, maybe you can revert yourself, copy your comment here and then I can reply here? Polygnotus (talk) 05:58, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
There may be a slight delay tho, I have some IRL task. Polygnotus (talk) 05:59, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
Reverting the comment will not change the timetable for the closure, as it doesn't invite further scrutiny of HEB--on the contrary, it does the opposite, I dare say. And the response to your position is, I feel, highly germane to the discussion. Again, I didn't say it out of zealous support for the proposal myself, so much as I think the consensus is clear and provides the best case scenario resolution, given where we are at. So I'm not inclined to remove the comment. Because I don't think your advocacy for ignoring that consensus is in either the community or HEB's best interest, at this juncture--no personal offense intended. That said, you should always feel entirely welcome to share any response or concerns here, if you are so-inclined. SnowRise let's rap 06:04, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
- And please don't feel rushed. Aside from the fact I'd rather you responded when you feel least rushed, I'm not exactly able to be super responsive myself just now. SnowRise let's rap 06:06, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
- Being forced to do stuff in the outernet is a violation of my "human" "rights"!
it's just clearly unambiguous what was proposed, considered, and almost uniformly accepted with regard to the warning proposal.
Hm, perhaps I missed something? Is there an existing formal warning system or precendent for such? I actually think the proposal of creating a new option where the community gives an official warning is a decent idea. User Mackensen made a proposal, and I left some feedback here. Please join us on that talkpage, the proposal is far from implemented, but I think the idea is good enough to actually give it a try.Nor is any of this a particularly uncommon result in ANI discussions
I try not to spend too much time on the dramaboards, but I certainly have never seen such a yellow card/formal community warning/whatever you wanna call it. Mackensen did find some earlier discussions surrounding similar ideas, and listed them at User:Mackensen/Yellow_Card#Past_discussions. But I don't think this is a standard tool we all use every day that everyone is expected to be familiar with... yet. There are many people getting told "stop it/drop it", but that is different than what is proposed as a yellow card, if I understand correctly.I don't think you're doing HEB any favours by going to mat on this
I didn't actually expect to go to mat (nice expression!) on this. It often happens that I think something is completely obvious, and people are super confused. Even people whose brains I respect.
I do try to form my opinion independently, so even if I agree with the group I don't always parrot what others have said. I am not necessarily there to do HEB any favours, and just because I disagree with others does not necessarily mean I am pro-HEB or that they are anti-HEB or whatever, things are far more complicated than that. People just have differing ideas on how online communities should work. just when things were starting to peter out
I don't really want to spend a couple of hours investigating the timeline, but I would be surprised if I was more guilty of that than you or others. I got a message about the Zak Smith drama and followed that discussion, which is how I noticed the HEB discussion.the sooner the close happens, the better
Ha! Finally something we can disagree on. Or you know, I don't really disagree, I am just unsure if I agree. Having the discussion peter out without a formal close may or may not be the best outcome (I don't know). I think HEB got the message, even without a formal close. Polygnotus (talk) 07:08, 28 August 2025 (UTC)your advocacy for ignoring that consensus is in either the community or HEB's best interest
I am not advocating for ignoring the consensus in this case. But I do think that creating a yellow card system is a good idea, and if we have a text we can agree on then we can use it. I don't think we can give out yellow cards before figuring out what the consequences of a yellow card are, because that is unfair to the recipient. Polygnotus (talk) 07:43, 28 August 2025 (UTC)- Also note that I don't really believe in punishing people for things they did wrong years ago. Looking at the ANI archives I do see the wordcombination "formal warning" a lot but it appears to be something that individual admins make up, doesn't appear to be publicly logged anywhere, and there is no WP:FORMALWARNING or something like that as far as I am aware. The idea behind the yellow card as I envision it is that it is given by consensus of the community, not by an admin (although consensus of the community is determined by an admin). Polygnotus (talk) 09:44, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
- If you throw User:Polygnotus/sr in a .html document and open it in your browser you can see how I investigate such cases. Dark mode toggle in the top right. Polygnotus (talk) 10:12, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Horse Eye's Back: Before I get accused of talking behind people's back. Didn't want to take up too much space on ANI, so I figured I respond to Snow Rise here. Polygnotus (talk) 10:56, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
- And now someone got peer pressured into closing the discussion and the first question was "What does that mean tho?". So yeah things are going as predicted. Polygnotus (talk) 00:43, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hey Polygnotus, sorry for the slow reply: a personal emergency pulled me completely offline the last 24 hours, and I'll have to try to constrain my response a little here for the same reason, at least as an immediate matter. But the truth is, I don't think we really disagree on that much here. To answer your initial set of inquiries: no, you're not missing anything, it's very much not a formalized system (and you're correct, it could stand to be more so--that's actually a perennial complaint about ANI). That said, I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say a formal warning has been the result of many hundreds of ANI discussions over the years, and particularly common when the respondents are sharply divided on whether or not an immediate sanction is necessary but there is at least partial general consensus of a longterm problem. Now I want to reiterate that in this instance I didn't support the CBAN or warning proposals, and expressly opposed the former. And I both share and appreciate your position that at a certain point, further piling on was doing nothing to improve the likelihood of ideal outcomes and actively discouraging some of the most positive possible results. However, as a purely pro forma, procedural matter, I did see a consensus for a formal warning there (regardless of how I personally felt about it). And more to the point, I knew no closer could close that discussion without that finding--and if someone had tried, it for sure would have lead to a close challenge at AN, further prolonging the matter for both HEB and the community. At that point, I just felt it is best to let the consensus be formalized. Honestly, though I think the bulk of the proposals made against HEB there were untenable, I think a warning was the best case scenario result: there was enough meat on the bones regarding the complaints that I don't anything less was ever a possibility, given how such discussions tend to go. Again, not necessarily an optimal outcome to my eye (I think we are of one mind on that), but the facts being what they were, also not an unsurprising or even necessarily unreasonable outcome. I think, and you can tell me if you believe I am wrong here, that maybe you put too much weight on the ad-hoc informal terminology that the OP used in forwarding the proposal. It's certainly a potential lesson for Mackensen as well: rhetorical flourishes in proposals (particularly proposals regarding community sanctions) are often less desirable than very unembellished but also unambiguous wording. The irony is, as you pointed out above, I actually think it's a great metaphor for a formal warning system, and like you, I'm one community member who might be amenable to seeing it codified into a proper system. It's arguably something ANI/community sanction discussions in general could benefit from, as a tool that would have slightly more reliability and weight if better fleshed out than the current more vaguely applied 'formal warning' schema, such as it is. Anyhow, I appreciate your thoughts and your obvious effort to put them forward in a cogent and collaborative spirit. I hope I've been able to explain my own position adequately enough that I leave no wore feelings for having somewhat disagreed with you. If you have any further thoughts, including any speculative ideas about a "warning card" system, please feel free to share them. Just be patient with my on the reply timetable. :) SnowRise let's rap 05:02, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
- Oh shit hope you are ok? Yeah, I think we agree. Polygnotus (talk) 05:05, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hey Polygnotus, sorry for the slow reply: a personal emergency pulled me completely offline the last 24 hours, and I'll have to try to constrain my response a little here for the same reason, at least as an immediate matter. But the truth is, I don't think we really disagree on that much here. To answer your initial set of inquiries: no, you're not missing anything, it's very much not a formalized system (and you're correct, it could stand to be more so--that's actually a perennial complaint about ANI). That said, I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say a formal warning has been the result of many hundreds of ANI discussions over the years, and particularly common when the respondents are sharply divided on whether or not an immediate sanction is necessary but there is at least partial general consensus of a longterm problem. Now I want to reiterate that in this instance I didn't support the CBAN or warning proposals, and expressly opposed the former. And I both share and appreciate your position that at a certain point, further piling on was doing nothing to improve the likelihood of ideal outcomes and actively discouraging some of the most positive possible results. However, as a purely pro forma, procedural matter, I did see a consensus for a formal warning there (regardless of how I personally felt about it). And more to the point, I knew no closer could close that discussion without that finding--and if someone had tried, it for sure would have lead to a close challenge at AN, further prolonging the matter for both HEB and the community. At that point, I just felt it is best to let the consensus be formalized. Honestly, though I think the bulk of the proposals made against HEB there were untenable, I think a warning was the best case scenario result: there was enough meat on the bones regarding the complaints that I don't anything less was ever a possibility, given how such discussions tend to go. Again, not necessarily an optimal outcome to my eye (I think we are of one mind on that), but the facts being what they were, also not an unsurprising or even necessarily unreasonable outcome. I think, and you can tell me if you believe I am wrong here, that maybe you put too much weight on the ad-hoc informal terminology that the OP used in forwarding the proposal. It's certainly a potential lesson for Mackensen as well: rhetorical flourishes in proposals (particularly proposals regarding community sanctions) are often less desirable than very unembellished but also unambiguous wording. The irony is, as you pointed out above, I actually think it's a great metaphor for a formal warning system, and like you, I'm one community member who might be amenable to seeing it codified into a proper system. It's arguably something ANI/community sanction discussions in general could benefit from, as a tool that would have slightly more reliability and weight if better fleshed out than the current more vaguely applied 'formal warning' schema, such as it is. Anyhow, I appreciate your thoughts and your obvious effort to put them forward in a cogent and collaborative spirit. I hope I've been able to explain my own position adequately enough that I leave no wore feelings for having somewhat disagreed with you. If you have any further thoughts, including any speculative ideas about a "warning card" system, please feel free to share them. Just be patient with my on the reply timetable. :) SnowRise let's rap 05:02, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
- Oh, that's kind of you to ask: I'm ok now, though I did spend time today in an operating theatre waiting room anxiously awaiting the results of a loved one's emergency surgery. Thankfully, things went as well as they could have in the circumstances, but I'm still reacquiring my mental equilibrium and accepting that things are going to be alright. To be honest, I think I am only responding now because I needed some normalcy from this and some other mundane communication tasks for work to try to still my thoughts and let the roller-coaster of the last day process at the back of my mind for a bit. But the mattress does begin to beckon now. SnowRise let's rap 05:15, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
- Oof yeah Wikipedia can be a relaxing distraction from real life... if you manage to avoid visiting ANI. It is always weird to have conversations with people and know very little about their life beyond the screen, only knowing that they have one. Recharge your batteries and sleep well! Polygnotus (talk) 05:20, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
- Oh, that's kind of you to ask: I'm ok now, though I did spend time today in an operating theatre waiting room anxiously awaiting the results of a loved one's emergency surgery. Thankfully, things went as well as they could have in the circumstances, but I'm still reacquiring my mental equilibrium and accepting that things are going to be alright. To be honest, I think I am only responding now because I needed some normalcy from this and some other mundane communication tasks for work to try to still my thoughts and let the roller-coaster of the last day process at the back of my mind for a bit. But the mattress does begin to beckon now. SnowRise let's rap 05:15, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: Media, the arts, and architecture request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. (trialing replacing Yapperbot) SodiumBot (botop|talk) 09:31, 4 September 2025 (UTC)
Feedback request: Politics, government, and law request for comment
[edit]You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. (trialing replacing Yapperbot) SodiumBot (botop|talk) 13:31, 4 September 2025 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – September 2025
[edit]News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2025).
Administrator changes
Interface administrator changes
Guideline and policy news
- An RfC is open on whether use of emojis with no encyclopedic value in mainspace and draftspace (e.g., at the start of paragraphs or in place of bullet points) should be added as a criterion under G15.
Technical news
- Administrators can now access the Special:BlockedExternalDomains page from the Special:CommunityConfiguration list page. This makes it easier to find. T393240
Arbitration
- The arbitration case Article titles and capitalisation 2 has been closed.
- An RfC is in progress to amend the structure, rules, and procedures of the Arbitration Committee election and resolve any issues not covered by existing rules.