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Tech News: 2025-33

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MediaWiki message delivery 23:26, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You've got mail!

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Hello, PharyngealImplosive7. Please check your email; you've got mail!
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Codename Noreste (talk) 21:24, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Responded accordingly. – PharyngealImplosive7 (talk) 21:26, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I replied again. Codename Noreste (talk) 22:10, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Replied. – PharyngealImplosive7 (talk) 22:16, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Re Special:Diff/1305946790

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Per WP:RMUM, they should not revert your move again without an RM discussion as to not move-war. Minor, but important to keep in mind. — Tenshi! (Talk page) 01:36, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for letting me know; I will keep that in mind. – PharyngealImplosive7 (talk) 01:39, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ChildrenWillListen

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It seems like @ChildrenWillListen made an incorrect assumption because they removed the symbol ɯ̞̈ from near-close back unrounded vowel. BodhiHarp (talk) 03:59, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Considering that the author wrote this and this, I assumed it was worth reverting. Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 04:07, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
These vandals are becoming oddly sophisticated by making both good and bad-faith edits. One piece of advice I have for you @ChildrenWillListen: is to skim the article before making a revert. If a symbol is mentioned, keep it; otherwise remove it. – PharyngealImplosive7 (talk) 06:03, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Could this be a group of young people who are apparently obsessed with the IPA? While investigating the Visaa11 case, I found a subreddit filled with memes related to IPA symbols and other linguistics content that looks rather similar to what's being created here. Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 12:17, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What is the subreddit? BodhiHarp (talk) 16:35, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"theforgottenletters," "lingusticshumor," "theletterh," and some others. Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 16:41, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2025-34

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MediaWiki message delivery 00:34, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion

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Why was the article Voiced linguolabial lateral approximant deleted even though I asked about making it a draft? BodhiHarp (talk) 16:03, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Because there was clear consensus to delete. Anyways, a draft would not have been helpful because there is simply not enough info about this sound / it will never likely be notable. – PharyngealImplosive7 (talk) 16:07, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If it seems more notable in the future, I could have you review the citations, then I request it be undeleted by an admin. BodhiHarp (talk) 16:11, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also, doesn't consensus require no arguments? BodhiHarp (talk) 16:23, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@BodhiHarp: No, please read WP:CONSENSUS to understand how consensus works on wikipedia. – PharyngealImplosive7 (talk) 22:52, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What about restoring it and moving it to a subpage of my user page BodhiHarp (talk) 16:57, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you would like to do that, please see WP:RESTORE. However, please don't move an unedited copy of such an article into mainspace before finding more reliable sources that don't just mention the subject in-passing to establish notability. – PharyngealImplosive7 (talk) 20:41, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It got rejected though:

:@BodhiHarp: Not done – this Requests for Undeletion process is only for articles that were deleted uncontroversially, and does not apply to articles deleted after a deletion discussion. Since the article you are here about was deleted after a discussion took place at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Voiced linguolabial lateral approximant, it cannot be undeleted through this process. However, if you believe that the outcome of the discussion did not reflect the consensus of the participants, or that significant new information has come to light since the article was deleted, you may contact the administrator who closed the discussion, Premeditated Chaos (talk · contribs). After you do so, if your concerns are not addressed and you still seek undeletion, a request may be made at deletion review. UtherSRG (talk) 22:27, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

BodhiHarp (talk) 22:38, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Then I fear undeleting the article may not be possible. – PharyngealImplosive7 (talk) 22:51, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have created a talk page to discuss recreating it. BodhiHarp (talk) 03:14, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@BodhiHarp: I don't think that will do much (no admins will see this most likely), so I would suggest just talking to the admin who deleted this and nominating the talk for speedy deletion. – PharyngealImplosive7 (talk) 03:56, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But why not reach a consensus and undelete per the discussion? BodhiHarp (talk) 04:58, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would not support undeletion because the topic is clearly non-notable and probably won't ever be notable unless a language is discovered with that sound. – PharyngealImplosive7 (talk) 13:28, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also, remember when you nominated templates like Template:IPA chart of epiglottal consonants? I want to ask a question, why not nominate Template:IPA affricates also? BodhiHarp (talk) 20:46, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't know that that template existed at the time. Also it is used on two pages, not just one. – PharyngealImplosive7 (talk) 21:18, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2025-35

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MediaWiki message delivery 00:08, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kwami's removal of symbols

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Should these symbols Kwami removed be added back? BodhiHarp (talk) 16:40, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@BodhiHarp: What source uses these symbols? Please cite a source for every claim you add to an article. – PharyngealImplosive7 (talk) 03:25, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Why have it mentioned in the article then? BodhiHarp (talk) 15:01, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
i mean really, you're edit-warring over keeping [ɱ̥̾], of all things, in the lead of an article that isn't even about nareal fricatives. we don't do the same for other places of artic. what's the point? — kwami (talk) 23:53, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've moved some of the symbols, which are for sounds that are not the topic of the article, to their own sections to reduce the ridiculous OR clutter that bodhiharp is making of the leads. most of them should probably just be deleted as either trivia or off-topic.
bodhiharp, we don't have infoboxes on aspirated plosives or vowels with every possible diacritic for a reason. we have a long history of reverting people who get too enthusiastic about adding every possible combination of letter and diacritic. readers are unlikely to find predictable sum-of-parts trivia to be useful, in which case we have a maintenance cost for no benefit. we shouldn't invent awkward combinations for things that have a simple letter or common default convention - like [x̃] as equivalent to [ŋ̊], or [d̃] as equivalent to [n]. where does it end? — kwami (talk) 23:07, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Probably endless. BodhiHarp (talk) 01:21, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question

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I have a question, does this IPA symbol ʀ̟˖˖˖ I came up with actually represent a palatal trill?

  • The first plus sign would make it pre-uvular/post-velar
  • The second plus sign would make it velar
  • The third plus sign would make it pre-velar/post-palatal
  • And the fourth plus sign would make it palatal

BodhiHarp (talk) 01:34, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@BodhiHarp: First of all, is a palatal trill even possible? What is vibrating (in a bilabial trill, it is the lips, in an uvular trill it is the uvula)? Second of all, we don't have the authority to define new phonetic symbols, and thirdly, the palatal trill is not found in any languages as far as I know. I don't mean to be dismissive; I'm just voicing some concerns. – PharyngealImplosive7 (talk) 20:50, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is possible, it just needs practice. The tongue vibrates.
For the symbol, it could in theory represent a palatal trill, but that is probably WP:OR. BodhiHarp (talk) 16:05, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Promotion of Nizaa language

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Congratulations, PharyngealImplosive7! The article you nominated, Nizaa language, has been promoted to featured status, recognizing it as one of the best articles on Wikipedia. The nomination discussion has been archived.
This is a rare accomplishment and you should be proud. If you would like, you may nominate it to appear on the Main page as Today's featured article. Keep up the great work! Cheers, David Fuchs (talk) via FACBot (talk) 00:07, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

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The Linguistics Barnstar
It is a rarity to come across another editor who dedicates immense time and effort to our small field of linguistics. Rarer still are those editors who take our field to Wikipedia's highest standard of excellence: Featured Article status. We few, we proud few, welcome you to the smallest club in the world as our fourteenth member. Congratulations on your tremendous achievement getting the Nizaa language to FA status. ThaesOfereode (talk) 00:52, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the barnstar! I really appreciate it. – PharyngealImplosive7 (talk) 00:56, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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