User talk:Montell 74

Old website links

Hi Montell. In the case where old competition websites have expired (like here) you can search out an archived version of that website via Archive.org's "Wayback machine". Official websites can be very very useful for historical study. The problem is that it becomes very difficult to locate the old addresses because nobody links to them when they have been removed.

The archive machine can be immensely useful in other cases too. For example this website has all the information about the old International Cross Country Championships, should we decide to create results pages for those competitions (not readily available data!). It is a tool well worth remembering for the future. SFB 21:46, 15 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

An award for you

Golden Wiki Award

In recognition of all the work you’ve done lately! 66.87.7.141 (talk) 23:20, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
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A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	For your continuous work in maintaining countless sports-related articles, and record lists in particular, I hereby award you the Tireless Contributor Barnstar. Trackinfo (talk) 18:24, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to go further than just sending a backatcha. I am constantly going through the nit-picky details of wikipedia postings of athletic records. Without fail, Montell74 has already been on the page, fixed the page and will be watching to correct any edits I make. This is the kind of cooperation that makes wikipedia great. I don't know who he is, but he shares the same passion for correctness that I do--a passion thousands, perhaps millions of other fanatics might share. But they are only the readers, the beneficiaries of the information posted here. Editing takes work, those readers don't appreciate. We don't always agree, but out of the edit note discussions, I think everyone wins. Of course, there are several of us who have to watch these highly visible articles, because they seem to attract the loonies of the world. Several times a day, someone thinks they can insert their name into a claim for a prestigious world record. Who is there correcting and protecting the truth? Most of the time, it is Montell 74. His diligence is certainly respected by me and I would say vicariously by the people who care about the information posted and about wikipedia's reputation for accuracy in general. Thank you for your efforts. Trackinfo (talk) 18:24, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	Thank you :) Elham burger (talk) 19:11, 2 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you

The Swimming Barnstar

Awarded to Montell 74 in recognition of an exceptional amount of high-quality work on creating, improving, and maintaining national and international swimming record lists over the past six years. Thank you. Gap9551 (talk) 15:18, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thank Germanium960 (talk) 09:53, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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he delete medal table and past version in some of article

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Decathlon

Hello

Regarding winds in decathlon, rules have changed in 2010...

See for exemple the "IAAF Statistics Book – IAAF World Championships London 2017", page 580: "A combined event performance is regarded as wind-assisted if the average assisting wind velocity for the three affected events exceeds two metres per second."

In the case of Lindon Victor in the List of Grenadian records in athletics, the sum of the three winds is 7.5 so the average exceeds 2.0. So, Lindon Victor's 8539 pts are indeed wind-assisted. Alas, this rule os often ignored.

Miruts (talk) 18:38, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

National records

First of all, thank you a thousand times for editing the lists since a lot of time. Recently another user asked me not to edit any of these lists (he wrote me on my page: “Dear, Please do not touch world, area and national records lists, ok? Your edits are extremely low quality, useless in fact. You deleted current, ratified record, left wrong venue and did not give reference. Do not delete old records until new records have been ratified. Track1News (talk) 18:02, 21 May 2023”. It looks like a topic ban, decided only by him. Of course he was not completely wrong (I had updated a new WR without being accurate and perfect), but of course nobody is perfect and I do not pretend to. By the way, because I edit record lists since 2004, nearly 20 years ago, what do you think about the events that are in these lists? When I remark events like 55m, 150m, 300m, 2000m, 2hours and so, I don’t think they should be on an “official” record list. Only the events which are officially recognized as WR by IAAF/WA (including the Mile) should be on the main list, all other events should be separated from the “official” events as most federations consider them as “best times” not records. But it is a huge work to “clean” the lists from those awkward events. Have you an opinion on that? Thank you for replying here, I will check, Arorae (talk) 15:59, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Aroae, Thank you for your questions and by the way for your good work.

First of all I would like to say that imperfection should never be an argument for personal flaws. That sounds like a general excuse for all sorts of nonsense that you do in your life.

Anyway, basically it's important not to prematurely erase any records that are still valid until the ratification procedure of new record is done. I always find it good if someone just add (!) new information. Since I monitor many lists, I can correct erroneous new entries.

I have a different opinion about the unconventional records/bests. In the case of world records, it is clearly and adequately separated. In my opinion, a new list in national record articles makes things less clear. With the corresponding colors it is sufficiently explained that these are not official records kept by national federation.

In addition, national associations sometimes set records in disciplines that are not classified as record-breaking by the world association. For example have a look at the Estonian records.

To "clean" such a list would provide insufficient information. Montell 74 (talk) 17:39, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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South american records in swimming

User Maelstrom2 is vandalizing a bunch of pages, changing descriptions from the South American record to the national record giving the reason that "this record doesn't exist in FINA", like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Swimming_at_the_2024_World_Aquatics_Championships_%E2%80%93_Women%27s_400_metre_freestyle&diff=prev&oldid=1206449572 . There have been users in the past who have been blocked here for this vandalism. Can you do something to help? 2804:214:817F:6343:6112:D26A:5938:22CF (talk) 20:12, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

High School T&F Records Color Key

Hi, Montell74. I am just curious about the color key for the national high school T&F records. There are two records, Tara Davis's 100 hurdles and Addy Wiley's 1600m, that have a reddish-pink color. They are the only records that are listed this way. This color is not in the key and I am curious what the meaning of it is. Thanks. CooperRiverRunner (talk) 00:56, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello CooperRiverRunner, thanks for the question. I changed the colors because the previous pink color code meant that these marks were not ratified. But that is basically the same meaning as the green color code.Montell 74 (talk) 11:27, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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	The Barnstar of Diligence
	It looks like you haven't received a barnstar in seven years. You've been doing a fantastic job lately updating athletics records (including linking to the year-specific meet pages where available, which I really appreciate). Thanks for your hard work to make sure all of these pages don't go out of date, the encyclopedia is much better because of it. Habst (talk) 16:54, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

About Daniyar İsmayilov from Turkey

Hi, firstly i admire your work as a weightlifter fan, thank you for your well-organised and professional work, my question is gonna be about Daniyar İsmayilov he won the 2021 European Weightlifting Championships men 73kg with gold medal at snatch he lifted 160 kg breaking european record at the same time, however after few months he testesd positive for doping https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1109898/turkey-weightlifting-ismayilov but when i checked ewf world recor page his 160 kg lift is still valid and considered as european record, so he DSW or not? lift is valid or not? help please, thank you. Asigooo (talk) 18:29, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Asigooo, thank you very much for your assessment and question. I don't have an insider's view, but the major European federations (athletics, swimming, weightlifting) update their record lists at a snail's pace. Since it is an official document, Daniyar İsmayilov is still considered the European record holder.Montell 74 (talk) 08:25, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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100m NRs

https://worldathletics.org/records/all-time-toplists/sprints/100-metres/all/men/senior?regionType=countries&region=usa&timing=electronic&windReading=regular&page=31&bestResultsOnly=false&firstDay=1900-01-01&lastDay=2024-06-08&maxResultsByCountry=all&eventId=10229630&ageCategory=senior

Page 31 says Darrell Wesh was running for the US on the day he ran 10.16 (17 May 2015) The yeetgodboii (talk) 23:57, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please respond because I want to change this back if possible The yeetgodboii (talk) 15:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We have two contradicting sources from the World Athletics Federation. The exact date of permission is not known. In addition, the ratification of national records is the responsibility of the national association. In my opinion, there is no compelling reason for the 2015 result to be deleted.Montell 74 (talk) 16:00, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I'll keep it in and keep doing the rest? The yeetgodboii (talk) 16:05, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You did a very good job, so it would be great to do so.Montell 74 (talk) 08:24, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! The yeetgodboii (talk) 21:21, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lesotho National Records

Hi @Montell 74 I am based in Lesotho and world for the Lesotho NOC. Would like to assist in getting some of the Lesotho records up to date. Marklesotho (talk) 11:52, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Editing on LGBTIQ topics

Hi @Montell 74 - I noticed you took liberty to edit down and revert on the page significantly. I would kindly ask you not to do that single-handidly as if your opinion is absolut, but rather start a discussion on the talk page if you have problems with style and/or content. This way it looks like content supression, esepcially as you were not previously contributing on this. I will revert your edits now starting with this. Looking forward to well argumented discussion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=EuroGames&diff=1279405316&oldid=1279404438 Zblace (talk) 15:22, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

you deleted my nonsens. Then explain yours

"Usain Bolt ran for 9.58s (2009). Olympic record 9.63s (2012). Its speed is 10.38 m/s. What do the numbers in the table mean? If this is speed, then it is higher than Usain Bolt. If this is the time, then how to understand (+0.1 m/s)? Faster than whom? Why put time and speed nearby? Add units in the table header." https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AList_of_Paralympic_records_in_athletics&oldid=prev&diff=1282585460

you deleted my nonsens. This means that everything is crystal clear to you. Is this logical? I ask you what the numbers in line 3 mean:

10.42 (−0.1 m/s)

My mathematics and physics are fine. How are you doing with this? Feel free to give more numbers. many people can delete with a button. Few people can explain their actions. Seregadu (talk) 13:52, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Seregadu, 10.42 is the time and -0.1 m/s is the wind. Drmies (talk) 13:56, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Great, thanks. This means that the wind speed is approximately 1% of the athlete’s speed. I don't think this has much effect on the result.

But the word "Wind" is not on the page. I asked for at least this - - to add the description to the table!

Montell_74 doesn't seem to know anything about wind either, nor does it seem to know anything about moderation rules. It is also clear that my nonsense is the same for him. Seregadu (talk) 14:16, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Kenyan records in swimming

That looks like an error from my side, my apologies. The Banner talk 07:25, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Triple jump

Please do not revert me. The ancillary marks in the top 25 were incomplete and affect WP:OR. Furthermore, the indoor rankings are limited to the 25 best athletes, not the 25 best performances. PenultimateStride (talk) 08:16, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How it affects WP:OR when marks sourced by alltime-athletics.com?Montell 74 (talk) 08:21, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Then at least make the list complete and accurate. Also, the indoor rankings only list the best athletes, not the best performances. PenultimateStride (talk) 08:23, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Indoor table: Thats exactly the reason, why the notes exist!Montell 74 (talk) 08:24, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It is still not accurate and therefore useless. PenultimateStride (talk) 08:26, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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List of indian records in atheltics

Hi Montell74,

In the 64th National Inter-State Senior Athletics Championships 2025, the Athletics Federation of India has listed the latest ratified national records. The source is here: https://indianathletics.in/64th-national-inter-state-senior-athletics-championships-2025/

My edits with these updates were reverted, but since they are officially documented, could you please review the link and revert to my original edits? I’m unable to undo it myself as only manual editing is showing.

Thanks! Rfakjunkie (talk) 07:10, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thank you for your information!Montell 74 (talk) 07:14, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please go through it and undo your edits. Thanks in advance! Rfakjunkie (talk) 07:15, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is it possible for you to undo it and should I manually redo it myself if it's not possible from your side? Rfakjunkie (talk) 07:51, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't it have been possible to simply wait until the official ratification was published on the Federation's website?Montell 74 (talk) 06:53, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Montell74,

Thank you for your note. The Athletics Federation of India unfortunately does not maintain or publish an updated list of ratified records on their website, nor do they release such updates in a timely manner. Instead, the governing body lists the official national records within the meet documentation of the championships they conduct.

The 64th National Inter-State Senior Athletics Championships 2025 (held just a week ago) includes these documented records, which is currently the only authoritative way to track the latest ratified marks. That’s why I added them to the article, to ensure the page reflects the most recent official information.

Hope this clarifies the context, and thanks again for your vigilance.

Best regards Rfakjunkie (talk) 06:57, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the context. I will follow the next release, the old status is November 2024. In my experience, an update is made once every year. I'm curious to see whether all new records will be shown as ratified. Montell 74 (talk) 07:02, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, since the federation leadership has changed hands, while they have improved on the athletes’ performance side, they seem to give very little attention to documentation and “in-office work.” Because of this, it’s highly unlikely that we’ll see any formal record updates being published on the website in the near future. For now, tracking the meet documents remains the only reliable way to stay updated, at least until the next intra-federation elections bring any changes. In any case, I really appreciate your engagement on this, and I’m looking forward to more collaboration with you on improving the athletics pages.Best regards Rfakjunkie (talk) 07:08, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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