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Repeated DePRODs

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I can fully understand dePRODing an article because you believe there is an WP:ATD like redirection (although I must ask that you please redirect the article if you do, as simply reverting the edit and leaving the redirect for someone else to do is creating additional busywork for myself and other editors). However, I must request that you cease removing PRODs solely based on number of incoming links. This does not in any way indicate that a PROD is controversial, as it is usually due to inclusion on an navbox, which can be done by anyone in a few seconds and get the page to show up on hundreds of articles (most incoming links for Physics Abstraction Layer were transclusions from Template:Physics engines, Template:Benchmark, etc.) Or at the very least, if you must do it, please check if the links are actually from major articles, where the page is linked in a prominent way, and not just a rote addition to an infobox or navbox. Thank you. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:16, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I do often boldly WP:BLAR non-notable albums and sports seasons when I have time but there was a bulge in the prod pipeline today. Also I wonder if prodders might be more inclined to look for ATDs themselves if they have to do the extra work you claim I'm creating.
I would like to be able to determine how many non-navbox incoming links there are to an article. I've asked around and so far no one has found a way. ~Kvng (talk) 22:00, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You may want to try Help:What links here#Workaround to hide transcluded links. There is a user script you can install, User:PrimeHunter/Source links.js, that gives you a button that can find links that aren't from a template.
To clarify; I do look for ATDs that make sense, but often the ones that you are suggesting would make little sense because the topic is not relevant to the suggested article. Noise Factory is mentioned so little in SNK, for example, that a redirect would be less helpful than just letting the search function do its job. Might there possibly be something out there that could be used to expand SNK enough to make it viable? Sure, but I don't see you doing it either, so that about sums up how the average person would feel about looking for it. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:40, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the tip. I will have a look.
I don't agree with you WRT SNK and Noise Factory and if two experienced editors disagree that in itself is enough to make the deletion potentially controversial and not a good prod candidate. If you don't beleive me, take Noise Factory to AfD and see what happens. ~Kvng (talk) 22:53, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Kvng: Unsurprisingly Noise Factory was deleted for failing notability. Re: Your recent dePROD of Papaya Studio, What Links Here shows only links from the infoboxes of their own games and entries on game lists, not numerous links indicating potential importance. This is just creating extra work for editors for no reason. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:42, 31 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have received feedback from others that my WP:PRODPATROL work is valuable. Due to the volume, I do have to move quickly and I do make mistakes but I have always tried to learn from them.
I have installed and have been using the script you suggested and this has been helpful. Thanks for that. ~Kvng (talk) 15:46, 31 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Even PRODPATROL states that, "Don't deprod an article just because in theory, someone somewhere would object to its deletion. If you don't actually believe an article has a snowball's chance in hell of being kept, there's no reason to deprod." DePRODing articles solely due to many links indicating someone might object is a violation of that WikiProject's policy. Do you believe that Evoga and IguanaBee have a snowball's chance in hell of being kept? If so, what policy-based reason is there for believing it? Notability is not inherited from a company's games. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:58, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate your ongoing concern and am happy to answer your question. For two reasons, I believe these are not slam-dunk deletions: 1/ merging or redirecting to a notable game produced by the company is a preferred WP:ATD. 2/ Due to volume, I don't have time to review every deletion proposal let alone do a comprehensive WP:BEFORE for each of these. That's the prodder's responsibility but I have ample evidence prodders aren't reliably doing this either and that's also a policy violation. The searches do happen in WP:AFD and incoming links is a crude indicator that it may be worth the community's time. ~Kvng (talk) 15:24, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Simply dePRODing pages because you believe the PRODer did not perform WP:BEFORE without direct evidence for that particular PROD nomination is "assuming bad faith", which is against Wikipedia WP:AGF policy. As such, I will have to ask you to desist, as that in itself is bad-faith, hostile editing.
If you believe the page is non-notable but it has an WP:ATD, please redirect the page immediately after dePRODing, as leaving it up regardless does not back up your assertion that you are dePRODing them because they aren't notable but have another potential target. However, in cases where the company made numerous games, there may be no obvious target. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:10, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you don't think my deprodding is valid, nominate the articles for deletion. I watchlist all AFDs for articles I've deprodded and if I see a snowy pattern, I will adjust my deprodding behavior. I do boldly WP:BLAR when that's the obvious ATD but many times the ATD is clearly probably but the details are not obvious. I'm sorry my answers to your questions don't satisfy you. The bottom line is that editors don't have to give a reason when they deprod. Would it be better for you if I deprodded without comment? ~Kvng (talk) 21:59, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Coalition of Higher Education Students in Scotland is an example of something I correctly deprodded based on incoming links. I'll keep an eye out for counterexamples. There were definitely a few (e.g. those discussed above) before I started using the Source links tool. ~Kvng (talk) 15:20, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from CaroleAHudson (13:44, 14 August 2025)

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Hello. I would like to edit the wikipedia page that lists all the museums in Alberta, Canada. I am president of the Beaumont & District Heritage Society and we operate a new museum in Beaumont called the St. Jacques Heritage House Museum. How do igo about adding it to the list? It is in the Edmonton Metropolitan Region, it's focus is History, our website link is beaumontheritage.com --CaroleAHudson (talk) 13:44, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Carole, since you have a conflict of interest here, you should not be making these edits yourself. I'd be happy to do this for you. I assume the list you're referring to is List of museums in Alberta. Wikipedia loves citations and I've found some coverage of the museum in the Beaumont News. I assume St. Jacques Heritage House Museum for the Name, Beaumont for the Community, Edmonton for the Region, and History for the Type. ~Kvng (talk) 15:37, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes and thankyou so much! 2605:8D80:5721:E139:4023:170B:A532:24F9 (talk) 21:03, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
 Done ~Kvng (talk) 14:52, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello good afternoon I want to edit a photo of a particular place in Ilaje --Bestwilliams (talk) 15:51, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, @Bestwilliams. What is the photo and what do you want to change about it? ~Kvng (talk) 18:18, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:International Whaling Commission

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Merger done. Bearian (talk) 19:09, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Question from KO YU HUMAN (17:20, 20 August 2025)

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Hi- are you also human - just checking . I’m a human ( Buddhistly spiritual, keen on truth and authenticity , without any clutter, backed by science and math looking to possibly edit ‘ without too much jargon’ on cognitive sciences, and maybe philosophy entries.. --KO YU HUMAN (talk) 17:20, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@KO YU HUMAN, I am human! ~Kvng (talk) 17:58, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Heheii78 (15:37, 23 August 2025)

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hi! I’m new and my main mission on Wikipedia is just to create an article about the longest field goals in the 2025 NFL preseason and I was wondering where to start cuz I’ve never been a good writer. --Heheii78 (talk) 15:37, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Heheii78, welcome! Here's an introduction to creating a new article. If you don't want to write, you can create a table with the information. Here's our help page on creating and formatting tables. ~Kvng (talk) 18:49, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Comparison of audio network protocols

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Question from UWillAla on User:UWillAla (20:45, 29 August 2025)

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I need info box, how to get? --UWillAla (talk) 20:45, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There are many kinds. {{Infobox}} might be a good place to start. Or better yet, a similar article to the one lacking an infobox. If you can tell me more about your need, I may be able to be more helpful. ~Kvng (talk) 21:46, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Question from ScooterAnalyst (20:05, 5 September 2025)

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Hi, thanks for being assigned as my mentor. I’m particularly interested in updating and monitoring the Welsh esports ecosystem and related articles. I understand that esports topics (especially teams) often require a high bar for notability, so I’m being very careful about that. Despite my preference for working in this space, I also want to make sure I avoid any conflict of interest of significant note. At the moment, I’m focusing on “easy” edits, for example, rewriting sections with promotional tone into more neutral language and adding reliable sources, but I’m also working on some ‘medium’ and ‘hard’ edits to practise and contribute in other areas too. One longer-term project I’d like to work towards is creating an article on the Welsh Esports League, which has received notable regional and some international coverage over the last few years. Do you have any advice on how best to approach this kind of editing and eventual article creation? Thank you! --ScooterAnalyst (talk) 20:05, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Scooter, I suggest you start by finding WP:THREE qualifying sources before you even start to write a new article. Our notability criteria for organizations (an esports league would be an organization) are a bit more demanding than for other topics. Specifically, local sources are not sufficient to establish notability. It sounds like you're on the right track to meet these requirements and it is mart of you to start small before trying to create your first article. ~Kvng (talk) 21:07, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I really appreciate the clarification. I hadn’t looked into the WP:THREE requirement as closely as I should have, especially with the higher standard for organisations like a league. That’s really helpful, and I’ll spend more time making sure I fully understand the sourcing and notability criteria before moving forward. Thank you. ScooterAnalyst (talk) 22:39, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's a a bit of potentially not-fun work upfront and it possibly results in not writing the article you had in mind but it's much more of a bummer to put a bunch of work into a new article and then have it all deleted. ~Kvng (talk) 15:29, 6 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Bd1209 (16:33, 6 September 2025)

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Hi, I was hoping to draft a Wikipedia page for a topic that isn’t covered. How do I get started? --Bd1209 (talk) 16:33, 6 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Bd1209. WP:YFA is a good place to start. Let me know if you have any questions. ~Kvng (talk) 16:41, 6 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from WillyBigly (00:25, 7 September 2025)

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How to go about editing a potentially.... sensitive page? There is an article which I vehemently disagree with after reading it earlier today.

Perhaps I should edit other pages first, before going about this? I have sources ready to be used alas, it would appear others have tried to do this same thing before me but found no luck.

Are there really articles here that are just beyond the ability of myself or even veteran editors to fix? it would appear that there is a very strongly opinated group of editors who will not let the article say anything other than what it currently purports.

Let me know if you ahve advice on how to go about editing or perhaps rewording a controversial article. If you'd like, I can provide the article in question. Let me know. --WillyBigly (talk) 00:25, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello WillyBigly. Yes, I have seen such cases and they take a lot of patience. Posting something on the talk page for the article is probably the place to start. Let me know what article you're talking about and I'd be happy to have a look. ~Kvng (talk) 12:54, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from CitrusArchivist92 (19:00, 7 September 2025)

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Hello! I’m wondering how I can properly upload media containing the works of other people? For example, pages that don’t have portraits, or media that are necessary for that page, but are primarily the works of others. --CitrusArchivist92 (talk) 19:00, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@CitrusArchivist92, the main thing you need to concern yourself with is copyright status of these works. You can upload old things that are in the public domain and you can upload new things that have been released to the public domain or given a compatible copyright (CC BY-SA or GFDL) or permission to use by their creators. That's about the extent of my knowledge. If you have deeper questions you can ask them at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. Wikipedia:Finding images tutorial may be helpful. ~Kvng (talk) 02:37, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Combine into Computing

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I don't often just ask a question, seems a refreshing change from the usual edit back and forth... anyhow, I usually remove the Security and Computer Science project banners to combine into Computing [1]. Do we actually want that, should I stop, should it be encouraged / formalised or it so low importance doesn't matter? (insert alt option) Widefox; talk 15:40, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's a good practice because it reduces clutter at the top of talk pages. I don't think it is particularly important but it is good gnoming. Carry on! ~Kvng (talk) 15:47, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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