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Hello David

Do have time, please, to have a look at the material that I now have in my Sandbox? I hope that I am respecting the talk page guidelines with this question.

I still need to check and edit the material, but it is pretty much a complete first draft. Any guidance you could offer, specifically with respect to my finishing off the work to a Wikipedia approved standard with a view to asking for it to be uploaded, would be most welcome.

I look forward to hearing from you in due course.

Best regards

Nigel — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kestrel2Zero (talk • contribs) 13:12, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ref failure

I was trying to fix your second ref (not a journal) but failed to find a proper format. Apologies. David notMD (talk) 12:55, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello David.

Thank you so much. I have used and donated to Wikipedia over a number of years, but preparing and submitting content is completely new for me so your help is most welcome. I have a range of material that I am sorting out for use in citations, so I will come back to this one in due course.

I have everything drafted up as a three page Word Document, but I seem to be developing and editing the material in sandbox at a snail's pace. So there is unlikely to be any rapid progress, but I am determined to complete the task at some stage!

Thanks again for your kind interest and for sharing your time and experience with me.

K2Z Kestrel2Zero (talk) 07:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again David

I think I have fixed this problem with a different format and a source of material provided to me by one of the archivists at Cambridge University. Slow progress!

I like your 'notMD'. My Dad weathered endless misunderstandings of how anyone could be a doctor of something other than medicine!

Onward! Thanks again.

Nigel Kestrel2Zero (talk) 08:23, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello David

With my most recent editing and expansion of my sandbox content, I have hit a new problem. When trying to save/publish the updated page, the following error message is displayed: No stashed content found for 1229701898/cf8eb461-2d45-11ef-a551-ad893da6c86a

Are you able to help me with this, please?

Nigel Kestrel2Zero (talk) 13:43, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

See Help:Referencing for beginners on how to format references. David notMD (talk) 16:51, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, David. I will work on this.

Nigel Kestrel2Zero (talk) 09:56, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Clean-up

I removed all the bolding, bigs, smalls, other formatting errors, and deleted content not appropriate. I put a submit template at the top. When you believe the draft is ready, submit it. There is always a backlog of drafts at AfC and the system is not a queue, so it can be days, weeks, or sadly, months, before a review responds. If Declined, the reviewer will give reasons. Address those and resubmit. Expect a different reviewer, who may have different objections. David notMD (talk) 12:15, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi David - This is massively helpful. Thank you so much for such a. prompt reply and for explaining the process. I will work through everything and get back to you.

Best regards

Nigel

PS What is AfC, please? Kestrel2Zero (talk) 08:03, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again David - I have now reviewed the changes that you have made. I did a clean up on the text and a couple of citations and links and tried to leave your edits untouched. Thank you again so much for your inout and guidance with this task.

I am submitting the draft today (October 31, 2024) and I have taken good note of your comments with respect to timeline and rejections. As and when declined, I plan to do as you recommend and address the reasons given and resubmit. Kestrel2Zero (talk) 08:07, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Norman Frederick Astbury (October 31)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Johannes Maximilian was:

This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms that promote the subject.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Seems like a notable subject but the draft puts way too much emphasis on promoting the subject; this needs fixing. Also have a look at the infobox – it is a jpeg file! Please fix. --Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 16:01, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Norman Frederick Astbury and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 16:01, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Kestrel2Zero! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 16:01, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good morning, Johannes

Thank you so much for taking the time to review my submission. I value your comments tremendously and I am working my way through them!

Initially I plan to follow the link that you have given me under 'Where to get help" and go through the submission section by section. I hope this seems a sensible approach.

Please may I apologise of the info box being a jpeg: my fault entirely. Is there a recommended template that I can use please?

I look forward to hearing from you further as and when convenient for you.

Finally thank you so much for such a prompt response to my submission. I was concerned about losing momentum during a long wait and you have completely solved that for me.

Best regards

Nigel Kestrel2Zero (talk) 08:05, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Johannes

As indicated in my earlier message, I am endeavouring to edit my submission and to develop the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article that you mention in your response and to avoid 'puffery' promoting the subject. My first step has been to take the words 'and success' out of the first paragraph. Please can you let me know if I am on the right track.

I am also concerned to be using the citations in the correct and approved manner. Please could you highlight how I can improve this aspect of my draft?

I look forward to hearing from you further when convenient. I will then proceed to work on the remainer of the draft.

Many thanks

Best regards

Nigel

EDITED FIRST PARAGRAPH WITH WORDS 'AND SUCCESS' REMOVED

Norman Frederick Astbury CBE, MA, ScD, CEng, FIEE, CPhys, FInstP, HonFICeram, FRSA (December 1, 1908 – October 28, 1987) was a British physicist with wide ranging experience in industry, academia, the war effort, and scientific research. A double first in Natural Sciences from St John's College, Cambridge.^[1]^[2] launched his career in 1929 with an appointment at the National Physical Laboratory (United Kingdom)^[3] in Teddington followed by a lifetime of professional positions both at home and abroad culminating with the Directorship of the British Ceramic Research Association ^[4], later, Lucideon (1960 – 1973). Kestrel2Zero (talk) 08:59, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Nature Publishing Group 184 December 1959
^ Cambridge University UA Graduati 12/9
^ NPL Annual Report and Accounts 1929 - 1939
^ Royal Society of Arts Journal 1987 Page 65

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Thanks for flagging up the issue with this image. I created the image by using my iPhone to photograph a hard copy original in a collection of old family photos. Judging by the age that the subject (my father) appears to be (same as the copyright free photo from University of New South Wales, I would estimate the date of the original would be 1951 or earlier. I therefor estimate that the photo from which I took the image uploaded to my Sandbox if at least 70 years old. I would have been five years old at the time (72 years ago) and I have no idea who would have taken the photo. I have tried both Google and TinEye but found no results. Please let me know if you have other resources available to broaden the search.

Please can you let me know whether or not I can make use of this image? 212.108.134.119 (talk) 11:55, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was unable to find the edit tag on the next page. 212.108.134.119 (talk) 11:58, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Norman Frederick Astbury has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Norman Frederick Astbury. Thanks! Bobby Cohn (talk) 16:21, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Shorter

I cut content that might contribute to the draft being declined again. Content can be true (and even referenced) but not germane to what belongs in an encyclopedia article. David notMD (talk) 16:29, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello David - Understood; thanks again for your expert guidance. I am more than happy to benefit from your experience. - Nigel/Kestrel2Zero Kestrel2Zero (talk) 04:24, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Norman Frederick Astbury has been accepted

Norman Frederick Astbury, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.

The article has been assessed as B-Class, which is recorded on its talk page. This is a fantastic rating for a new article, and places it among the top 4% of accepted submissions — major kudos to you! You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article. You may also consider nominating a fact from the article within the next 7 days to appear on the Main Page's "Did you know" section.

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Thanks again, and happy editing!

Bobby Cohn 🍁 (talk) 15:30, 24 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Bobby

Thank you for this message and for your kind words. I am delighted with the progress this AfC is enjoying thanks to your guidance and help from the other editors who have given their time so constructively.

I will start work on the various issues flagged up including secondary and tertiary sources, the orphan status currently in place and linkage to ‘Who was Who’ hard copy and electronic versions. I have also been provided with further material from Lucideon which I will incorporate into the final part of the Career Section (British Ceramic Research Association).

I hope to be back in touch shortly.

Best regards

Kestrel2Zero (talk) 08:17, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Licence Tagging for File: BCRA Penkhull Headquarters.jpeg

Please find below the full written response from the copyright holder:

Dear Nigel, Please accept my apologies for the delayed reply. I had looked in to the issue to the Penkhull photo copyright previously but wanted to double check to ensure that there are no misunderstandings and that you have the definitive answer to your query. I can confirm that the Penkhull photo was taken by a member of the company which means that Lucideon owns the copyright. As you know , Lucideon has given you permission to use the photograph with attribution. Perhaps you just need to add to the photo: ‘Copyright Lucideon. Used with permission from Lucideon’. I see that the photo has been removed from the page and I assume that this is connected with the enquiry. As to the point about relying too much on primary sources, in the world of research , primary sources are excellent and the source of original data. I think that because of the way that Wikipedia works, they like to have corroboration from other sources . I hope this helps. It’s great to see your project come to fruition and to see your father’s achievements collated. We still come across , and refer to, his work and it’s so nice to now know more about him. Kind regards, Karen Karen Sutcliffe Library and Digital Support Officer (Redacted)

On the basis of the foregoing information, is it possible, please, for the image to be reinstated?

Kestrel2Zero (talk) 10:47, 7 August 2025 (UTC)Kestrel2Zero[reply]

Nick Astbury

I would like to declare a conflict of interest with respect to the AfC for Nick Astbury. I am both the author of the material and the subject’s father. Kestrel2Zero (talk) 14:50, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Nature Publishing Group 184 December 1959

[2] Cambridge University UA Graduati 12/9

[3] NPL Annual Report and Accounts 1929 - 1939

[:0-4] Royal Society of Arts Journal 1987 Page 65

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