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Hi! This is my talk page, feel free to drop me a message. To experienced editors: feel free to stalk my talk page and reply to any threads here.To admins: I prefer that my talk page remain unprotected, even if it's being vandalized. Such edits do not particularly bother me and I prefer to remain accessible to anyone who would like to reach me. However, if the volume of vandalism is so high that no other solution would stop disruption, I don't mind if my talk page is semi-protected for a day or two. Hopefully, this is a rare occurrence.

Administrators' newsletter – August 2025

News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2025).

Administrator changes

CheckUser changes

Oversight changes

Guideline and policy news

Following a request for comment, a new speedy deletion criterion, G15, has been enacted. It applies to pages generated by a large language model (LLM) without human review.
Following a request for comment, there is a new policy outlining the granting of permissions to view the IP addresses of temporary accounts. Temporary account deployment on the English Wikipedia is currently scheduled for September 2025, and editors can request access to the permission ahead of time. Admins are encouraged to keep an eye on the request page; there will likely be a flood of editors requesting the permission when they realize they can no longer see IP addresses.

Technical news

Administrators can now restrict the "Add a Link" feature to newcomers. The "Add a Link" Structured Task helps new account holders get started with editing. Administrators can configure this setting in the Community Configuration page.

Arbitration

The arbitration case Indian military history has been closed.
- South Asia (WP:CT/SA) is designated a contentious topic. The topic area is specifically defined as All pages related to the region of South Asia (India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Nepal), broadly construed, including but not limited to history, politics, ethnicity, and social groups.
- The contentious topic designations for Sri Lanka (SL) and India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan (IPA) are folded into this new contentious topic.
- The community-authorized general sanctions regarding South Asian social groups (GS/CASTE) are rescinded and folded into this new contentious topic.
The arbitration case Article titles and capitalisation 2 has been opened. Evidence submissions in this case closed on 31 July.
The arbitration case Transgender healthcare and people has been opened. Evidence submissions in this case will close on 11 August.

Miscellaneous

Wikimania 2025 is happening in Nairobi, Kenya, and online from August 6 to August 9. This year marks 20 years of Wikimania. Interested users can join the online event. Registration for the virtual event is free and will remain open throughout Wikimania. You can register here now.

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The Signpost: 9 August 2025

News and notes: Court order snips out part of Wikipedia article, editors debate whether to frame shreds or pulp them

Plus a mysterious CheckUser incident, and the news with Wikinews.

Discussion report: News from ANI, AN, RSN, BLPN, ELN, FTN, and NPOVN

A review of June, July and August.

Disinformation report: The article in the most languages

Who is this guy?

Community view: News from the Villages Pump

Threads since June.

In the media: Disgrace, dive bars, deceased despots, and diverse dispatches

And slop.

Crossword: Accidental typography

It's not a conlang, it's a crossword puzzle.

Comix: best-laid schemes o' wikis an' men

gang aft agley, an' lea'e us nought but grief an' pain, for promis'd joy!

Traffic report: I'm not the antichrist or the Superman

Everybody's Somebody's Fool.

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New pages patrol September 2025 Backlog drive

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On 1 September 2025, a one-month backlog drive for New Page Patrol will begin. Barnstars will be awarded based on the number of articles patrolled. Barnstars will also be granted for re-reviewing articles previously reviewed by other patrollers during the drive. Each review will earn 1 point. Interested in taking part? Sign up here.
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WikiCup 2025 September newsletter

The fourth round of the 2025 WikiCup ended on 29 August. The penultimate round saw three contestants score more than 800 points:

BeanieFan11 (submissions) with 1,175 round points, mainly from sports-related articles, including 17 good articles, 27 did you know articles, and 9 in the news articles
Arconning (submissions) with 1,090 round points, mainly from articles about athletes and politicians, including a featured article on Philippines at the 1924 Summer Olympics, 9 good articles, 28 did you know articles, and a wide assortment of featured and good article reviews
AirshipJungleman29 (submissions) with 854 round points, mostly from a high-scoring featured article on the Indian leader Rani of Jhansi and two good articles, in addition to 13 featured and good article reviews

Everyone who competed in Round 4 will advance to Round 5 unless they have withdrawn. This table shows all competitors who have received tournament points so far, while the full scores for Round 4 can be seen here. During this round, contestants have claimed 9 featured articles, 12 featured lists, 98 good articles, 9 good topic articles, more than 150 reviews, nearly 100 did you know articles, and 18 in the news articles.

In advance of the fifth and final round, the judges would like to thank every contestant for their hard work. As a reminder, any content promoted after 29 August but before the start of Round 5 can be claimed in Round 5. In addition, note that Round 5 will end on 31 October at 23:59 UTC. Awards at the end of Round 5 will be distributed based on who has the most tournament points over all five rounds, and special awards will be distributed based on high performance in particular areas of content creation (e.g., most featured articles in a single round).

Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, feel free to review one of the nominations listed on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges – Cwmhiraeth (talk · contribs), Epicgenius (talk · contribs), Frostly (talk · contribs), Guerillero (talk · contribs) and Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) – are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck!

If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:47, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

DisambigAssist mistake - Saba -> Saba (island)

Just so you know, you changed [[Saba]] to [[Saba (island)|]] in Incense trade route in 2022[1] even though the page had no connection with the Caribbean. It's fixed now. Aoeuidhtns (talk) 22:24, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Aoeuidhtns thanks for fixing it :) Elli (talk | contribs) 00:48, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Arbitration Case: Transgender healthcare and people

Despite being a long time Wikipedia editor, I do not understand the upper admin regulations and rules; I see that this issue [2] is open, but the evidence is closed. I am an uninvolved party and have key insight into this issue that I feel will help the administrators understand the points of view of both sides of this situation, so I'm posting it here on your talk page - please do not take offense.

Talking about trans issues is difficult, because the mainstream model is the medical model (there is a trans syndrome, direct cause unknown, and transition medical care helps people with this medical issue). Thus, transition medicine is seen as medical care under the medical model. Those who are trans deserve the best evidence based medical care that can be provided. This is the model that allows medical groups to bill insurance for transition related care in the United States.

That point of view isn't the one causing problems. It's a second point of view.

There is an ideology defined and explained by Martine Rothblatt in the book "Sex is Apartheid". It begins with a belief in mind-body dualism; that the mind is the true human, a body merely a shell. Human bodies can have individual features that are more masculine or more feminine, therefore, sex isn't a binary, but a spectrum, merely a "series of biological and psychological factors a body can have". One should spend time contemplating their gender, and that their gender should therefore determine their sex. Body modification should be posed as a human right. These ideas should be codified in psychology, medicine, and law. Letting go of the binary point of view of sex is the next step toward freeing humanity from the "Apartheid of Sex".

Once you see this explanation, you understand the origin of arguments like "Gender is assigned at birth" over "Gender/Sex is observed at birth" - because in this model, one's gender is determined in one's mind, "all genders are valid", and there are no external factors that can be observed to see one's Gender. Modifying one's body to follow the mind is framed as a human right, along with legally and socially being recognized in the gender one declares themselves to have. Thus, Self ID law (where one is able to legally declare their gender, and this is treated as their sex thus forth) is justified.

There are many arguments that do not make sense if you do not understand this framework. "I am a biological female, I take estrogen!" doesn't make sense unless you have the ideology behind it: estrogen provides a "female biological factor", because all human bodies have a series of traits that can lean female or male, and sex is a spectrum of traits a body can have. The general public, of course, is at a total loss because they don't understand the underlying "rules".

It's important to note that Rothblatt helped write a sample Self ID Law draft that has been presented as a suggestion to governments around the world, and that the book was written to justify the law and encourage it's adoption. It's available freely online and is considered a "key" transgender reading, but most people learn the principles in online communities, not by reading the book.'

The challenge to people with this point of view is that pushing it too hard would lead to loosing insurance or health care support for body modifications, since transition is no longer medical care. That's what interjects so much confusion into the debate; the inability to let go of "medical care" to achieve body modification access for those who are not wealthy. This was not a problem then Rothblatt faced personally, so it was not considered in the book.

There have been multiple attempts to name this point of view, and it's prominent here on Wikipedia across many articles, despite never being named. "Gender Ideology" was an neutral attempt. The second closest neutral name I can find is the lengthy "one who doesn't believe you need gender dysphoria to be trans" among those who reject the medical model. To see the fighting in action... you have to look at the words "tucute" and "truscum", both seen as pejorative today. Alas, many followers have not read the book and can't articulate the arguments well. But if you read Rothblatt's book - agree or disagree - the logic behind it can be articulated, and that point of view is being pushed here on Wikipedia.

People who are true believers do not believe they have a point of view to disclose, rather, they believe they are the source of TRUTH. Any disagreement with the TRUTH must be silenced, so even though their own point of view is Fringe, they label "believing human bodies are born with a sex, male or female" as a hateful fringe idea, despite it being the point of view of the majority of people in the USA and UK, and most likely, the whole world.

Therefore, editors who simply try to push a neutral point of view, following the sources, get burned by activists who shut them down by any means necessary. If you spend time in these articles you see the same editors over and over "voting" to protect this point of view at any cost.

It's also hard because most people writing on this issue do have a bias, so any criticism is shut down as "biased" - while biased "pro" sources are openly allowed, leading to biased articles.

This leaves Wikipedia in a bind, because we have a very clearly biased group of editors accusing anyone who disagrees with them, even on a minor point, of being "argumentative" and "unreasonable" and "biased", because they alone hold the TRUTH that others must be forced to see.

I am leaving this comment as an uninvolved party to help the Admins understand the arguments being made, because it will make the points of view being argued about more clear. I've generally just tried to steer clear of these articles, because people are simply allowed to push their POV by pretending they don't have one. I generally stick to trying to clean them up, leaving contentious material, and just making sure it represents what the sources say, but I've been burned for even trying to make an article reflect the source material.

Denaar (talk) 15:40, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Denaar Kinda weird how, according to you, this one side has an 'ideology' and the others are just the default. Reminds me of something. Polygnotus (talk) 10:14, 6 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – September 2025

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