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Brad Mehldau: "Portrait of Bill Evans"

I don't think you should have removed that CD. It objectively exists, and I provided a link demonstrating that. Here is another one:

https://www.allmusic.com/album/portrait-of-bill-evans-mw0000635995

Furthermore, those two solo tracks are not available elsewhere and so would definitely be of interest to other collectors of Mehldau recordings. And the CD is not a "compilation" in the sense of made up of tracks available elsewhere. All the tracks were recorded specifically for that CD and can only be found there. 174.28.37.209 (talk) 22:35, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"All the tracks were recorded specifically for that CD and can only be found there." Is there a source for that? EddieHugh (talk) 22:37, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any evidence to the contrary? Mehldau also recorded "My Heart Stood Still" on "Live in Tokyo," but that's a much longer live recording.

Look at these search results on Discogs for "Mehldau" and "My Heart Stood Still":

https://www.discogs.com/search?q=mehldau+my+heart+stood+still&type=all

They show the only recordings of that song he made, and it's easy to see they aren't the same versions. The one on "Live in Tokyo" runs to 9:32 (and is live), and the one on "Portrait of Bill Evans" runs only to 4:52 (and is a studio recording made for that CD).

The other track is "The More I See You" (solo, studio, 5:21). Mehldau also recorded it live with his trio on AotT5 (trio, live, 10:05).

The terse liner notes to "Portrait of Bill Evans" (a play on the title of his album "Portrait in Jazz"), include a statement from the producer saying, "I want to thank all the musicians who gave so much heart and soul to this project. ... Brad for his luminous performances." You wouldn't get a statement like that if the CD were simply reprinting recordings.

My main point is that his discography is incomplete without this listing. I can't see why you would want to suppress it. 174.28.37.209 (talk) 22:56, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's listed in the "Compilations and soundtracks" section at this page, which isn't a reliable source, but used to be somewhat authoritative. EddieHugh (talk) 22:44, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That link didn't work for me. But it doesn't matter. I've already provided links for listings for that CD on Discogs and AllMusic. It exists. It's somewhat rare and obscure, but it's still of interest as part of BM's discography. (And I don't like it when people simply cut legit additions that I take the time to make.) 174.28.37.209 (talk) 22:59, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discogs isn't a reliable source. See WP:DISCOGS. The AllMusic page demonstrates only that it exists. There's still no reliable source for it not being a compilation or for the recording date that you added. The WP:BURDEN is on the person seeking to add material to demonstrate that reliable sources exist for it: "The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution." I think it probably does exist and is original material, but my (or your) opinion or WP:OR is not enough to warrant including it. EddieHugh (talk) 16:32, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In the spirit of collaboration, I tried to find RS...

• One of the tracks is mentioned at https://londonjazznews.com/2021/07/04/10-tracks-by-brad-mehldau-i-cant-do-without-by-scott-flanigan/, but there's no more information on the album there.
• Staudter, Thomas. (Jan 12, 2003). A deliberate new move in an improvised career. New York Times. "A new CD he had masterminded, Portrait of Bill Evans, has just been released in Japan (it will be out in the United States this spring)"; don't other places have it as released in 2004? "JVC prompted Mr. Colina to work on another CD, this time honoring pianist Bill Evans [...] For Mr. Colina, the logistics of making Portrait of Bill Evans were daunting. Five different jazz keyboard luminaries -- Herbie Hancock, Eliane Elias, Dave Grusin, Brad Mehldau and Mr. James -- were asked to record two songs apiece, and the sessions took place in studios all over Los Angeles and Manhattan over two years."
• DownBeat March 2008. A piece on Eliane Elias mentions the album, but I don't have access to the full source, so haven't seen what information is there.

I think the NYT one is enough (barely), although it doesn't mention a recording year. As the album fits the Wikipedia definition of Compilation album – "A compilation album comprises tracks, which may be previously released or unreleased, usually from several separate recordings by either one performer or by several performers." – I'll move it to that part of the page. EddieHugh (talk) 16:32, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Only saw this now. All good. Cheers, 174 174.28.37.209 (talk) 19:09, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just an additional observation: It may be the official position of Wikipedia that Discogs is "unreliable," but as someone who has made extensive use of both that site and this one, I have to say that I've found Discogs to be the far more reliable of the two. Anyway, there are other ways of verifying the length, venue, and performers of the tracks that I had taken the time to document. I have seen no evidence anywhere that the BM tracks on "Portrait of Bill Evans" are duplicated elsewhere in BM's discography. (And I'm a fairly serious collector of his recordings, so this issue is of interest to me.) Nice work with the discography; I see that it's principally your baby, so I understand the territorial instincts but also appreciate your spirit of collaboration. I've made substantial contributions to various pages for other fave jazz pianists (H. Jones, Barron, Charlap, Kimbrough, etc., above all Evans). 174.28.37.209 (talk) 19:39, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dorian Wallace

Hello, Edi. Thank you for pointing out which references were not good. I have now replaced them with new references, and I have deleted two sentences for which I couldn't find a reliable source. Could you please check if the new references are appropriate?--Марко Станојевић (talk) 17:36, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

IMDB isn't reliable. See Wikipedia:IMDB. Anything that looks like he or someone acting on his behalf wrote it isn't a good source for claims about who he's played with, accomplishments and the like. americanhumanistcenterforeducation is in that category for the "Wallace has composed and collaborated with..." part. EddieHugh (talk) 11:30, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Adi Meyerson - GA Review

Hello EddieHugh,

Thanks for your edits on Adi Meyerson! I saw your failed verification and unreliable source tags and I addressed them as best as I could (Although I couldn't find a reliable source for her birthday). I can see you're an active contributor to Wikiproject Jazz, and I was wondering if you could give Adi Meyerson a GA Review, as its one of only 2 jazz related nominations and I see you've already at least skimmed over it. I don't know if you give good article reviews, but if you do, I'd be happy if you could give it a review!

Thanks, Surfinsi (talk) 00:08, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not very active on here at the moment, so I doubt that I'd have time to investigate it properly. EddieHugh (talk) 21:25, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bobby Timmons, merely a soul-jazz pianist?

Mr. Hugh,

I agree in some respect to narrowing Timmons into the "soul-jazz pianist" category, but would like to point out that he was also a composer of works, a vibraphonist (albeit only recorded on the instrument once), an organist and as stated in the article, "Timmons was strongly associated with the soul jazz style that he helped initiate." implying he was also a progenitor of the movement. I think under that criteria he ought to be placed in the wider category of "soul-jazz musicians" as well as pianist. What is your take on this? Kind regards. Longwing Seagull (talk) 05:45, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're referring to this edit, which removed Category:Soul-jazz musicians, with the edit summary "The narrower Soul-jazz pianists exists, so we don't include the wider one". This comes from the WP:CATSPECIFIC guideline, which includes: "Pages (and sub-categories) should not normally be placed in both a given category and any of its subcategories or parent categories." That rules out having Timmons in both the musician (parent) and pianist categories. He could be taken out of the pianist category and added to the musician one, but someone would probably reverse it.... He already has a couple of composition categories, so I think that aspect is covered. I'm not bothered much about categories and genres – that edit was me responding to the parent and child categories appearing together. EddieHugh (talk) 15:03, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Point taken. Thank you for your informative reply. Longwing Seagull (talk) 01:13, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Art Tatum

Mr. Hugh, Re your edit to the Art Tatum article, is there a rule of punctuation or other source that supports your statement that "If the sentence listed all of the children, a colon would be appropriate. It doesn't, so a semi-colon is correct."? 141.224.148.3 (talk) 22:10, 12 August 2025 (UTC)kolef141.224.148.3 (talk) 22:10, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, re your edit changing late night sessions "fueled" by heavy drinking to "accompanied" by heavy drinking, and commenting that "fueled" "implies that his performances needed it." I can only say that alcoholics typically "need" alcohol. It does not imply that he could not have played what he played without alcohol. In addition, the term "accompanied" is redundant of the phrase "accompanied by prodigious alcohol consumption" in the second paragraph. The term "fueled" avoid the repetition. 141.224.148.3 (talk) 22:23, 12 August 2025 (UTC)kolef141.224.148.3 (talk) 22:23, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

eg, MOS:COLON: "is a list of items that has just been introduced", but it's standard English.

According to Gemini AI, In the sentence, "The couple had four children; Art, the oldest surviving child, was born in Toledo on October 13, 1909", the correct punctuation mark to use after "children" is a colon because it is introducing an explanation that elaborates on the preceding independent clause. The semicolon is incorrect in this instance.

Why a colon is needed

A colon introduces a list, an explanation, or a quote. In this case, "Art, the oldest surviving child, was born..." is an explanation that follows and clarifies the statement "The couple had four children".

The phrase following the colon serves as an appositive (a word or phrase that renames a nearby noun) or elaboration. This is a key function of the colon.

Why a semicolon is incorrect

A semicolon is used to link two complete, independent clauses (full sentences) that are closely related in meaning.

The phrase following the punctuation mark in your sentence—"Art, the oldest surviving child, was born in Toledo on October 13, 1909"—is not a complete independent clause. It does not stand on its own as a full sentence. It only makes sense in the context of the preceding clause, making it grammatically incorrect to use a semicolon. 141.224.148.3 (talk) 10:56, 24 August 2025 (UTC)kolef141.224.148.3 (talk) 10:56, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A good example of why not to trust AI. EddieHugh (talk) 14:57, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

eg, Cambridge dictionaries – "anything that keeps people's ideas or feelings active, or makes them stronger". eg, M-W dictionary – "support, stimulate". EddieHugh (talk) 20:51, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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