Template talk:Infobox executive government
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Terminology
[edit]State is a close term (usually for federated states or/and sovereign state). Jurisdiction (government entity) is more broad sense (like Palestinian National Authority became State of Palestine). Also, the headquarters (like Template:Infobox organization) is more matching word than address. --IM-yb (talk) 08:03, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
- We don't use Latin words like that. It is an Americanism. "State" is only for states, i.e. sovereign entities. This article is for British/Continental-style parliamentary governments. It is not for the Palestinian authority, nor American-style presidential systems. RGloucester — ☎ 14:30, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
Ministries
[edit]About ministries, in many countries, each government change the number of ministries/departments. Τhe number of ministries is not standard. --IM-yb (talk) 08:19, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, and we can change the number if it changes. The composition of the government in terms of structure is important. RGloucester — ☎ 14:30, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
Other governments
[edit]This box is for pages on the structures of executive governments in some countries. And what about the other governments? --IM-yb (talk) 17:07, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
- Presidential systems do not have "governments" in this sense. RGloucester — ☎ 17:27, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
What about the government of Canada?
[edit]Is that true? --IM-yb (talk) 10:02, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
border
[edit]Overview | |
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Type | Central government |
I beleve it is better to be a data parameter. --IM-yb (talk) 15:22, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
- In {{Infobox organization}} we have the parameter "type". Style should be the same as the {{Infobox government agency}} for uniformity. --IM-yb (talk) 16:06, 20 January 2016 (UTC) see also MXQ box 4k
- Oppose – This parameter is specific to a certain class of articles, and is already used by Template:Infobox monarchy. It should appear as it does. RGloucester — ☎ 17:23, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
Border used only for infoboxes about a seat.
- {{Infobox monarchy}}
- {{Infobox Bishopric}}
Not for infoboxes about a collective entity.
We should not confuse the style of infoboxes. --IM-yb (talk) 12:17, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
- You don't understand. In countries with a constitutional monarchy, the government is the monarch's. There is a direct correlation that must be maintained. RGloucester — ☎ 17:22, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I do not understand how can connect a template about a seat with a template about a collective entity. As you can observe, the border is only used in templates about a seat. The addition of the border creates a disharmony between the templates of collective entities. I understand that you do not care about the coverage of all government systems and similar infoboxes with a consistent and responsible manner. You say here This article is for British/Continental-style parliamentary governments. I ask What about the government of Canada?, and you do not participate in the talk page section. You do not cooperate to improve the template. You make a private infobox (confuse styles from disparate templates) to cover your own purposes. --IM-yb (talk) 18:59, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
- I don't know how the government of Canada article is set up. From the looks of it, that article is about government in the American sense, and hence should not use this template. I don't think you understand that this is not an organisation template. This is a template for governments as used in Britain, France, &c. I created this template to fill a niche that had not be filled previously, i.e. a template specifically for the British/continental sense of the word "government". I don't know your cultural background, but it seems you have trouble understand that in a constitutional monarchy, as like in Britain, there is a direct link between the government and the monarch that requires a continuity in the templates. RGloucester — ☎ 21:32, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
If this template created for the UK governments (central and devolved) this template should be renamed to "Infobox UK central and devolved governments". The addition "federal" does not match with any country, because the only country I know it has a federal parliamentary system is Germany, and that country composed of states. The template has parameter state and is not compatible. This template is for very limited use --IM-yb (talk) 13:22, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
- Those are optional parameters, and needn't be used if they are not needed. Germany is a state. This template has great usage across continental Europe. RGloucester — ☎ 15:49, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
RfC: Bringing this template in line with other governance templates
[edit]Hey all! I just wanted to garnish your opinions about editing this template to bring it in line with {{Infobox government agency}}. Certain niches of this template, such as using a serif font for the type of government, and not having a native name option, really make this outdated. How do we feel about redesigning and developing this template based off {{Infobox government agency}}? ItsPugle (talk) 10:25, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
suggestion
[edit]Hi, I suggest to replace the word "leader" with "president".مغوار (talk) 07:35, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
Government type and current cabinet
[edit]Hi, I would like to return to the suggestion made in 2016 by @IM-yb to remove the government type from the title area of the infobox, and make it a simple parameter named "Type" or "Government type". This would resolve current visual compound with addition of different font weights and letter cases in the centre top of the infobox, where a reader looks for clear display of the name and its translation/native form. This would also allow to further specify in the parameter that it is a executive government e.g. in the semi-presidential republic.
I would also propose that the parameter for the incumbent cabinet be added, like it is for the current legislative term in the {{Infobox legislature}}. — Antoni12345 (talk) 21:27, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
- I'm pretty indifferent about moving the
|type=
parameter down to just another data row, but would probably be against adding a new cabinet parameter while also having|main_organ
. Could we maybe add a param to change the label of the|main_organ
data row (i.e.,|main_organ_label
and|main_organ
)? Tim (Talk) 00:18, 9 April 2025 (UTC)- I meant to include the incumbent government link below the title cell, like it is in {{Infobox legislature}} and works pretty well and is visually accessible. Possibly maybe also make the native name also appear on the gray background together with the name, also like it is in the mentioned infobox. Also this parameter is not supposed to interfere with the main organ parameter, which is supposed to link to the organisational unit rather than the incumbent line-up of the government, no matter if its styled as the Cabinet, Council of Ministers or in other way.
— Antoni12345 (talk) 00:57, 9 April 2025 (UTC){{{name}}}
{{{native_name}}}{{{Incumbent government}}} {{{coa}}}
{{{logo}}}
{{{image}}}Overview Country {{{country}}} Government type {{{type}}} Main organ {{{main_organ}}} ... ...
- I meant to include the incumbent government link below the title cell, like it is in {{Infobox legislature}} and works pretty well and is visually accessible. Possibly maybe also make the native name also appear on the gray background together with the name, also like it is in the mentioned infobox. Also this parameter is not supposed to interfere with the main organ parameter, which is supposed to link to the organisational unit rather than the incumbent line-up of the government, no matter if its styled as the Cabinet, Council of Ministers or in other way.