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Moving parameter

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Please could |previous_post= be moved up the infobox to sit directly below |other_post=? Its clearly being used on many articles as part of the religious career summary and so should be in the top bit of the the infobox. Its original intended purpose was an alternative to |profession= with important pre-religious posts; this is reflected in its current position under the personal life section of the infobox. Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk 12:36, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:30, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the move. A new problem: |consecration= and |consecrated_by= have ended up at the bottom of the infobox. Could you have a go at fixing this please, User:Pppery? Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk 23:43, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed that. I made a typo which I didn't catch in testing because I was looking primarily at the parameter I was moving. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:06, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nationality to Citizenship

Per WP:INFONAT, could someone with the necessary skills change the field from nationality to citizenship? Citizenship doesn’t appear to be supported. It would probably be good if either was possible, as there might be situations where both might be needed. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 13:50, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good catch, I'm unfortunenatly not your guy. But I would like to suggest that what should be done is to add a | citizenship parameter, rather than changing the | nationality field. A simple change would result in old data presented with a new label, which may or may not be a mismatch or false.

I support to keep both | citizenship and | nationality fields. Nationality can be problematic for contemporary religious leaders, but our template is used also for historical figures, where Nationality is often more appropriate than Citizenship.A ntv (talk) 18:47, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure how to proceed, but it seems WP:INFONAT suggests the removal of the | nationality parameter entirely. I would argue that addition + deletion is a better solution than changing, but I'm not sure that it is the best solution. OJH (talk) 14:31, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am re-upping this conversation since the nationality parameter is being used at Pope Leo XIV even though it’s against MOS:INFONAT. There needs to be a new parameter added for citizenship. CC: @OJH, @A ntv, @Peacemaker67 AG202 (talk) 04:02, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would support this. The term nationality is a bit ambiguous, as it can refer to ethnicity as well. Citizenship is very clear. Governor Sheng (talk) 09:30, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Currently this template only has a "Nationality" parameter; MOS:INFONAT states that nationality should not be used in biographies, and the parameter is deprecated in most major biographical infoboxes including Template:Infobox person.

Propose adding a "Citizenship" parameter to bring this infobox in line with other biographical infoboxes, and allow following the MOS:INFONAT guideline; this shouldn't be controversial.

Aside from edit request re: addition of the new parameter, a separate discussion should be had as to whether to designate the Nationality parameter as deprecated (such as what was done at Template:Infobox person) and superseded by Citizenship where relevant and applicable. RachelTensions (talk) 17:26, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have added the citizenship parameter. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:55, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to point out something I consider very important. Before the era of liberalism, citizenship was not a wide-spread term, instead, people used to be subjects (of the Kingdom of Naples, or the Papal States). I think this parameter should be included too, especially because this infobox is very widely used for people born in pre-modern era. --Governor Sheng (talk) 12:08, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

New parameters

There should be a new parameters for namesake, all Orthodox and many Eastern Catholic Bishops have heavenly patrons whose names they choose, also their should be a monk or ramban ordination date, this is particularly important for Syriac Christian Bishops from different denominations as they have to go through this service before they become Bishops/Metropolitans Saji Edavazhikkal (talk) 01:56, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

nuns

We have priests but not nuns, sisters etc. Can they be added under type? Secretlondon (talk) 20:26, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I support this. Good idea! Governor Sheng (talk) 09:31, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]