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Sramana insertions again

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@151.67.71.181: Please see the discussion above, and wikipedia's content policies and guidelines. Do you have any new issues or comments or sources? Please do not edit war with multiple editors, because it is disruptive. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 23:41, 15 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@151.67.*.*: This template is about Hindu philosophy, not Indian philosophy. Encyclopedia Britannica does not say "Hindu philosophy includes nastika schools such as Buddhism". It is discussing Indian philosophy. Please do not keep reverting multiple editors. See the extensive discussions above. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 02:06, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Ms Sarah Welch: according to Encyclopedia Britannica, astika and nastika schools are both part of Indian philosophy:

Āstika, in Indian philosophy, any orthodox school of thought, defined as one that accepts the authority of the Vedas (sacred scriptures of ancient India); the superiority of the Brahmans (the class of priests), who are the expositors of the law (dharma); and a society made up of the four traditional classes (varna). The six orthodox philosophic systems are those of Sāṃkhya and Yoga, Nyāya and Vaiśeṣika, and Mīmāṃsā and Vedānta. The term āstika comes from the Sanskrit asti, which means “there is.” Contrasted to the āstika systems are the nāstika (Sanskrit: from na asti, “there is not”), the individuals and schools that do not accept the authority of the Veda, the system of the four classes, and the superiority of the Brahmins. Included among the nāstika schools are the Buddhists, Jainas, the ascetic Ājīvikas, and the materialistic Cārvākas.

— The Editors of Encyclopædia Britannica, "Āstika" (1998), Britannica.com

Moreover, other sources on Indian thought confirm the same classification of schools:

Āstika and nāstika - These terms can be translated as ' believer' and 'unbeliever' when used as nouns, or as 'believing' and 'unbelieving' when used as adjectives; nāstika is sometimes translated as 'atheist'. They are derived from Sanskrit asti, "is", and nāsti, "is not", and refer to those who believe in or assert certain religious concepts and those who deny them. What the āstika affirms and the nāstika denies is the Veda, and those beliefs which it authorises; the other-world [...], the gods and the efficacy of ritual. The distinction between āstika and nāstika is used in the classification of systems of thought (Dasgupta 1957; 67f). The well known set of six systems (the Ṣaḍḍarśana) are all āstika, since they do not deny the authority of the Veda, though is a central concern only for the first two, Pūrva Mīmāṃsā and Vedānta. Buddhism, Jainism and the materialist Lokāyata or Cārvāka system are nāstika.

— Dermot Killingley, "Āstika and nāstika", in Denise Cush, Catherine Robinson and Michael York (editors), Encyclopedia of Hinduism (2008), Routledge, ISBN 978-0-7007-1267-0, page 50

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@151.67.*: This template is not about "Indian philosophy". Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 21:02, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, then why is the Charvaka school of philosophy in this template?--151.67.71.216 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.67.71.216 (talk) 21:06, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Please visit Talk:Charvaka. Read the many sections there, with the WP:RS discussed. In future, do not "revert" war with editors and please read the talk page. If you can't be bothered with reading the past discussions, RfCs, and archives on a talk page, you shouldn't be editing wikipedia. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 21:12, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I read it. And i agree with you, āstika and nāstika schools are part of Indian philosophy, not Hindu philosophy, and the sources confirm it. Then, they should both be removed from this template and added in the template:Indian philosophy. 151.67.71.216 (talk) 22:47, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The template says "Heterodox". The cited sources on this talk page above, as well as in the Charvaka article and its talk page support this. If you keep asking questions that have already been answered, please expect your questions will be ignored. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 00:19, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 21 April 2017

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The table of information below the portrait (with header: "Part of a series on Hindu philosophy") should be removed because it is misleading and misinforming the audience. The man described in the article ( Jiddu Krishnamurti) was never part of any religion. His talks, books were never confined to any religion or philosophy. On the contrary, throughout his life he refused to be associated to any religion or philosophy. That is part of the essence of his work. He broadly clarifies that in his work. Any association to Hinduism, Hindu philosophies or Yoga is completely misleading the audience in relation with the life and work of Jiddu Krishnamurti. Masterpapa~enwiki (talk) 22:33, 21 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There is no Jiddu Krishnamurti is this template. Where do you see it? Do you have any reliable sources to help verify the comments you make above? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 23:01, 21 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Concerns?

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@Realphi: please read the discussions above, including the comments by admin Abecedare. If you have new concerns, please state them along with scholarly sources to support your arguments. FWIW, I did not understand your edit summary "nastika philosophies are not part of hindu philosophy" here. Carvaka is classified as a nastika philosophy, and scholarly sources include it as a Hindu philosophy. Please read that article, its talk page and the cited sources therein. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 03:27, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 19 August 2021

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To make it easier to understand, please name the headings in the following ways (use both original term and english term):

  • "Orthodox" to "Astika or six orthodox sampradayas" or "Saḍdarśana Astika or six orthodox sampradayas" or "Orthodox or Astika sampradayas" or "Orthodox Astika sampradayas" or "Orthodox Astika sampradayas"
  • "Heterodox" to "Nastika or heterodox sampradayas"
  • "Sub-schools" to "Polycentric Astika sampradayas" or "Syncretic Astika sampradayas"

Also add a subsection "Concepts" with following entries

58.182.176.169 (talk) 16:15, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. This is a fairly large change, so I suggest consensus be established for the change. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:34, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]