Talk:Taskmaster (TV series)

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series locations

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what do people think about including a table detailing the various locations used across the series? 146.200.132.123 (talk) 19:53, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alex Horne and Big Brother

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the History section states that part of the inspiration for the show was Alex Hornes' work on Big Brother. I can't find any reference to this anywhere. is it true, incorrect, or vandalism? 146.200.132.123 (talk) 06:46, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "I'd say the Crystal Maze [was an influence], that's a good starting point. I used to work in Big Brother in the third series, I was a logger, which was the worst of all jobs, you had to sit and watch what happens and type it into a computer." Masem (t) 08:54, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Masem what's the source for this quote? 146.200.132.123 (talk) 12:15, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's the link from digital spy right before it in my reply above. --Masem (t) 13:23, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Junior Taskmaster page?

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Now that its been airing for a few weeks, would a page for Junior Taskmaster be feasible now? VehementMan (talk) 20:24, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unless it has a reception that is wholly different from the main series, no, particularly as none of the children participating are notable. A section on this page is fine. Masem (t) 21:05, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 13 June 2025

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus to move * Pppery * it has begun... 02:44, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

– This same request was made last year on 10 June 2024, and was non-admin closed after the minimum 7-day discussion period. Opposition was mostly based on the idea that the inherent primary topic for the title "Taskmaster" is the dictionary definition. This argument doesn't really hold water, because Wikipedia is not a dictionary.[1] Another argument in opposition was that "long-term significance" of Taskmaster (TV series) was minimal compared to the "long-term significance" of the concept of a taskmaster; again, this seems unlikely, given that there is currently no article about the concept of a taskmaster, and the word "taskmaster" isn't mentioned at all in the article for Supervisor. Meanwhile, Taskmaster (TV series) has pretty consistently been the most-viewed article with this name since it began in 2015, with the exception of a short spike in views for Taskmaster (character) in 2021. Pageviews analysis and WikiNav clearly show that Taskmaster (TV series) is what the vast majority of readers are looking for when they search "Taskmaster", so it is evidently the primary topic and should be named accordingly. I would remind any potential closer that consensus should be determined based on strength of arguments in relation to established policy and guidelines (such as WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and WP:DPT), and that closing this discussion shouldn't be a head count.

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  1. ^ Even if the dictionary definition did take priority, wikt:taskmaster is the only definition I can find that includes "supervises workers"; Oxford Dictionary of English, New Oxford American Dictionary and Merriam-Webster all define it as a person who imposes a harsh or onerous workload on someone (or words to that effect). Despite the fact that TaskmastershipTaskmastership redirects to Supervisor, I can find no evidence that modern usage of the word "taskmaster" indicates a synonymous meaning with "supervisor", so there's no reason why Supervisor would be the primary topic here.
Pineapple Storage (talk) 21:05, 13 June 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPathtalk 05:53, 21 June 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPathtalk 11:43, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
information Note: WikiProject Comedy, WikiProject Television and WikiProject Disambiguation have been notified of this discussion. Pineapple Storage (talk) 21:37, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Notified: Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation. Pineapple Storage (talk) 23:47, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also, just to address some of the proposals in the original RM and the subsequent one, I don't think a separate article for the franchise is currently warranted—certainly, the possibility of a future franchise article shouldn't prevent us from retitling this article according to its primary topic status. The franchise is already covered with due weight here in § Franchise, and pageviews for all the franchise series combined are less than a fifth of views for Taskmaster (TV series). Pineapple Storage (talk) 21:58, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support: wikinav outgoing is compelling that the show is primary topic Ivey (talk - contribs) 02:22, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Per WP:NOPRIMARY, no compelling primary topic between the TV series and the Marvel character. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:19, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ Even considering the significant difference in pageviews? Pineapple Storage (talk) 11:54, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at more recent times, the character has been getting like, 1/4 of the pageviews. While less, the TV series is not "obviously primary" by an unbelievably large margin.
Now to be fair, Taskmaster the character may fail GNG, the sources are dubious. But if it was going to go to AfD, that probably should've been done before making this discussion. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:00, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, thank you for explaining! I would've said that the existing difference in pageviews (and outgoing pageviews from the DAB) is enough to establish it as the primary topic, but I guess this is a subjective parameter really.
You make a good point about the sources, I hadn't noticed the potential notability issue before; this also ties in with the Usage in English reliable sources element of WP:DPT. This prompted me to do a search on Google Scholar (which didn't occur to me originally as neither are standard scholarly topics). I skimmed the first 30 pages of results (filtered to exclude sources from before 2015, when the series began)[1]; most of them are about various linguistics corpora and task-management software, but there were more than I was expecting about the series:
Taskmaster (TV series) sources from Google Scholar (11)
In the same search, there were also a handful of results relating to Taskmaster (character)—three graphic novels ([2], [3], [4]) plus these articles:
Taskmaster (character) sources from Google Scholar (2)
I haven't yet searched/examined other, non-scholarly sources to assess which is the primary topic in reliable sources overall (per WP:DPT), but I suspect the same imbalance in coverage may apply (at least to mainstream, high-profile RS)—although I might be wrong. Pineapple Storage (talk) 22:01, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
information Note: Just for reference, according to WP:PT1, A topic is primary for a term with respect to usage if it is highly likely—much more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term. I started this RM on the basis that pageviews indicate that the vast majority of readers for the disambiguated articles are readers of Taskmaster (TV series), and that according to WikiNav for May 2025 (archived screenshot for future reference) the majority of outgoing pageviews from the disambiguation page are to Taskmaster (TV series). And that was in a month where the daily average views for Taskmaster (character) increased by more than a factor of 6 compared to the previous 3 years (3,652 compared to 549) due to the release of Thunderbolts*, a film featuring the character, on 2 May. I don't know that there's a way to access WikiNav analysis for previous months, short of manually analysing clickstream data from a data dump; still, I would guess that in the long term, the TV series represents an even higher proportion of outgoing pageviews from Taskmaster. Pineapple Storage (talk) 15:51, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support page views support this. Stacecom (talk) 01:59, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, no PRIMARY.--Ortizesp (talk) 13:54, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: WikiProject Comedy, WikiProject Television, and WikiProject Television/British television task force have been notified of this discussion. TarnishedPathtalk 11:42, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as not the primary topic, I would argue that Supervisor is. The fact that the term "taskmaster" doesn't appear in that article does not mean that it isn't what most people will be thinking of when they hear the term "taskmaster", unless they happen to be a fan of this show or a comics nerd. - adamstom97 (talk) 15:12, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I can understand where you're coming from, but 'taskmaster' meaning a supervisor, manager, boss, employer, etc. (ie. an overseer of workers) is a historical usage of the word; modern dictionaries only list the figurative (ie. non-employment-based) sense, for instance someone who gives others a lot of work to do and expects them to work hard (Cambridge), one that imposes a task or burdens another with labor (Merriam-Webster), etc. There isn't currently a Wikipedia about this concept and I don't think it's likely there will be one in the future. Pineapple Storage (talk) 16:23, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: the various other uses of the term on the dab page collectively reduce the topic of this recent article to less-than-primary. Jason A. Quest (talk) 23:03, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: I think Pineapple Storage has made a good case that this does indeed meet the definition of a primary topic, as set out in WP:PT1. Different versions of the television show are very widely known and have been for years; I'd personally never heard of the comic-book character until today. —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 09:55, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Any potential closer may wish to wait until after 12 July, when according to the WikiNav GitHub page the clickstream analysis should be updated for June. This will provide some further insight into outgoing links from the DAB (and therefore the page that readers are most commonly looking for), so might lead to further discussion at this RM. As mentioned above, May 2025 was anomalous for Taskmaster (character) because of a film released at the start of the month. Pineapple Storage (talk) 00:07, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. ^ inserted 00:12, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
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