Talk:State Administration Council

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Merge proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was to not merge. Yue🌙 18:30, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I propose merging the contents of the recently created State Security and Peace Commission (SSPC) article into the State Administration Council (SAC) article and then requesting a move of the latter to the title of the former (as the SAC article is the older article with a longer page history). As the SSPC article itself states, the SSPC is merely a rebrand of the SAC to allow the Myanmar military to continue wielding power over the country. Much like the article for the two bodies of the military government that ruled Myanmar from 1988 to 2011 (the State Law and Order Restoration Council and later the State Peace and Development Council), there is a complete overlap between the SSPC and SAC. Nothing in the SSPC article indicates that the SSPC has some unique claim to standalone notability separate from the body it succeeded (i.e. the SAC). The entire topic should be Min Aung Hlaing's military government, not the names of the bodies created for it. Yue🌙 18:39, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• I think I need to see more concrete information about the new body's function before I weigh in one way or another. It seems a little unclear to me exactly what responsibilities it has, if it's really the equivalent to the SAC or just something advisory, all I could find was this this source mentioning that the responsibilities of the SAC were assigned to the SSPC, but I'm getting the sense reading some other things that that may not be right. Dn9ahx [1] wrote that the SSPC is a junta but did not provide a source and the article's citations don't support that. TEMPO156 (talk) 08:01, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with merging it or at least splitting the SLORC and SPDC to be consistent too. If those two ruling bodies with different structures but the same de facto leadership are in one article, I don't see why the SSPC should be separate. It's also a case of WP:TOOSOON in my opinion on whether this new declared body is different enough to warrant a separate article. As for some additional sources asked for by Tempo:

• This Mizzima article talks about a lot of the differences and the restructuring of the bureaucracy
• This Irrawaddy article highlights one of the new personnel differences as an noteworthy exception. Also worth noting the SAC has changed members every so often over the past 4 years too.
• This Shan Herald article is a POV source but describes in more plain terms that it's still led by the same people at the top.
• This paywalled Frontier article does more analysis of it in the context of a consolidation of power for the military in the run-up to elections.

There is definitely a difference in structure, but there's a very strong overlap. I think my position is that these two juntas are more similar and less historically relevant to distinguish given the SSPC's allegedly temporary nature than the SLORC and SPDC juntas (which are currently merged). EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 22:27, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Myanmar Wiki contributor here; if I may shed some light on what you already know. Situations after the SAC dissolution is that MAH excercised know that he cannot extend SAC term of limit under the 2008 constitution. So, they have to come up a new supreme body that he chose constitutional body, NDSC and created Office of NDSC (which never existed before until now). Stricly speaking, Office of NDSC excercised the same power of state under 2008 constitution, such as passing new laws (not through SSPC), appointing officials (not through SSPC). So, the de factor successor to SAC as a body is not SSPC, but rather NDSC as it is the highest body under the constitution to excercise by declaring the new state of emergency in 63 townships and formeding Nyo Saw cabinet (proxy government under MAH, as he is currently Head of State). However, currently MAH is referred in his offical business as SSPC Chairman and C-in-C DS, by state newspapers, but not referring to him as Acting President, which he use that title in ceremonial role and signing laws and important executive order. It is a legal conumdrum. But SSPC is rather a body to represent soft power while hard power is execerising through NDSC and Chief Executive of NDSC (same secretary from SAC). Salai Rungtoi (talk) 06:11, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose… This is definitely a difference in structure and was created for a different purpose. I also agree with Salai Rungtoi’s comment above. 103.200.134.89 (talk) 17:05, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

would you then agree that slorc and spsc should be split for consistency? EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 04:59, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If I may, Myanmar wiki has two separate pages for SLORC (1988-1997) founded by Saw Maung and SPDC founded by Than Shwe (1997-2011). They are in a sense same ppl, but kinda corporate revamp, however, (I don't know Wiki applicable rule here), it helps to compartmentalize these era of military rule and its implications. Salai Rungtoi (talk) 05:08, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Salai Rungtoi: In regard to your references to the Burmese Wikipedia, WP:OTHERCONTENT is not a valid argument. If your explanation here is backed up by reliable sources, then it should be added to State Security and Peace Commission, because the article at present contradicts your assessment. The current version and its sourcing makes it sound like the SSPC was merely a rename of the SAC, which would be grounds for the two topics to be contained within a single article. Yue🌙 22:57, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I reread the article and edited the confusion. I don't know how in the Wiki editors came to conclusion that SSPC is a successor to SAC, which is purely false and ignorance.

As I have explained in the comment, it is a commission, not a council. In Myanmar political term, Council is higher than Commission. SSPC is just a platform for the junta to excercise pushing the December election. The Chief has been touring the countries under this Commission.

I will try to edit more and add more sources. Salai Rungtoi (talk) 03:31, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If I may add one more source why NDSC Council is hte successor to SAC, is evidence in the website - Home | National Defence and Security Council Office It just used the old SAC website and replace the new name. Salai Rungtoi (talk) 03:34, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

yes ako. 103.200.134.89 (talk) 15:49, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• The discussion seems to have established that the SSPC is only advisory for the election and does not have significant executive power, unlike the SAC, so they are distinct and I would say keep separate. TEMPO156 (talk) 01:17, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.