Talk:Philippines at the 1924 Summer Olympics

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DateProcessResult
August 7, 2024Good article nomineeListed
May 22, 2025Peer reviewReviewed
July 25, 2025Featured article candidatePromoted
Did You Know A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on August 2, 2024.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the flagbearer for the Philippines at the 1924 Summer Olympics also carried a flag of the United States?
Current status: Featured article

Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Kingsif talk 00:37, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Philippine delegate holding the two flags for the opening ceremony
The Philippine delegate holding the two flags for the opening ceremony
5x expanded by Arconning (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

Arconning (talk) 16:03, 28 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation

Image eligibility:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: I prefer ALT 1 TheNuggeteer (talk) 04:57, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TheNuggeteer, I've struck ALT1 as there are various problems with it. Both the source and the article say that the "Philippines were said to have sent athletes", hence we cannot say in Wikivoice that the "Philippines sent athletes". Secondly, you don't send athletes "at" the Olympics; you send them "to" the Olympics. Thirdly, when referring to people, you must use "who" and not "that". Fourthly, we do not use contractions in hooks apart from direct quotes. ALT1a fixes all those issues. Schwede66 01:05, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How about alt 2? 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 01:13, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Once approved, please place this nomination in the Olympics: Special occasion holding area

GA Review

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Passed. ForksForks (talk) 18:58, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Nominator: Arconning (talk · contribs) 15:46, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: ForksForks (talk · contribs) 14:54, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ForksForks I'll get to this soon! Around ~48 hours I'll be set. :) Arconning (talk) 16:11, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ForksForks I believe I'm mostly done, the tables are kept to follow consistency with other similar articles. The reason why Taduran did not compete is listed, but I don't have any sources on Catalon. Including Taduran, I'm not sure what to add for their bios and where would I put them in the article exactly? Let me know if you have any more problems. Arconning (talk) 16:36, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see these questions as within your discretion, so I don't see it as a blocker. Don't worry about it. Ping me when you are done working. ForksForks (talk) 16:57, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ForksForks Done. Let me know if you have any more problems. Arconning (talk) 17:15, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Hey, I've reviewed the article.

Obviously this is a short article so I have taken care to review all the sources in the article that I had access to. When I say 'good' I mean that I was able to verify the claim.

  • 1) (IOC) good
  • 2) (One Sports) good
  • 3) (NYET) good
  • 4) (Philippine Olympian Committee) good
  • 5, 10, 13) (French document) good
    • 13) appears to verify a claim with an image, suggest removing as this could be seen as original research.
  • 6) (Inquirer) good
  • 7) (Rappler) good
  • 8) (Chronicle) good
  • 9, 16, 17) (Olympedia) good, I assume that this is not user generated content.
  • 11, 12, 14) (Newspapers.com) AGF
  • 15) (Philippine Olympian Association) good

Criteria:

1) Well written: Yes

2) Verifiable, no OR, etc: See source review above, yes.

3) Neutral: Yes. Flag situation seems to be handled well.

4) Stable: Yes.

5) Illustrated. Yes, happy to see some historical images that are included. They are plausibly PD.

6) Broad coverage is where we are always going to have a sticking point. What I'd love to see is a short bio subsection on Nepomuceno and Catalon with "main article" links. Who were they, how did they get there. Does not need to be long. In my opinion this helps the article tell a complete story and is good practice. If you can also say why some athletes didn't compete that would help, you repeat that claim a few times but don't explain why -- I understand if there's no sourcing. Otherwise this is most of the way there.

I also question the usefulness of these full sized tables with keys, etc. when they don't convey a ton of information at all. There's no formula for a wp article, in general articles should adapt to their subject matter. So not all of them need to have such tables.

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Peer review

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Philippines at the 1924 Summer Olympics

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Thinking of listing this as a peer review to hopefully move to FAC. Describes what went on the Philippine delegations' stint before, during, and after the games. Comments are much appreciated! Arconning (talk) 05:51, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Arconning, hi, I will do this one. History6042😊 (Contact me) 13:37, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Anything about the closing ceremony that could be added?
  • The closing ceremony's first iteration would be held at these games but there's no information regarding the Philippines' participation here, nor do we know if they even attended the ceremony.
  • Could you find B. Minelle's full name.
  • Nada, no online sources nor archives on Newspapers.com or NewspaperArchive would find B. Minelle's full name. Neither does the official report.
  • I know it is just a flag but I think it still needs alt text.
  • Done.
  • Could you explain how something that was not an NOC still organized an Olympic delegation?
  • You are not kicked out of decathlons if you get a bad score in a round so please make all of the table DNS not Did not advance.
  • Done!
  • In the key, delete things that are not applicable.
  • Done!
  • Add DNS to the key and remove the hover explanation thing.
  • Done!
  • It just says "a time not fast enough to progress", what time?
  • Both the Official Report and Olympedia don't have information regarding the time Nepomuceno ran, added invisible comments.
  • When saying 6th out of 6 or 3rd of of 3, you can just use the word last.
  • Reworded to placing last out of 6... etc.


Dracophyllum

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  • pick one of either titlecase or sentence case for the titles in your references
    • Done! Chose titlecase.
  • of the nation was in 1929 > of the nation came in 1929
    • Done!
  • consider The officials present were B. Minelle, who served as the attaché, Juan Taduran, who served as a representative, and Regino Ylanan, who served as the executive officer and the athletics coach for Nepomuceno. > The officials present were: B. Minelle, who served as the attaché; Juan Taduran, who served as a representative; Regino Ylanan, who served as the executive officer; and the athletics coach for Nepomuceno.
    • Done!
  • consider Prior to the Games, all three athletes competed mostly in the Far East, with Nepomuceno and Catalon said to be as "world-class athletes" in the mid-1920s. > Prior to the Games, all three athletes excelled mostly in the Far East; Nepomuceno and Catalon were considered "world-class athletes" in the mid-1920s.
    • Done as well.
  • who stated that it > who argued that it
    • Done.
  • in his heat, where he again finished > in his heat, and again finished
    • Done.
  • Why is the result section ? and how does this differ from the RANK section?
    • The rank section is for their placement in the round while the result section is for the time they have achieved, it's a question mark as his time is unknown (i.e. not listed in the Olympic report nor Olympedia).
    • looks good otherwise. cheers Dracophyllum, (1 PR) 07:47, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Dracophyllum Done with all comments, saw your PR and added some short comments as well. :) Thanks for the review, let me know if you're up to some more comments! Arconning (talk) 08:59, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Dracophyllum @History6042 Just added some info, wanted to see if y'all have any more comments. Highly appreciate them btdubs! :) Arconning (talk) 15:48, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pokelego999 comments

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Hiya! For transparency, this is part of a review swap between me and the nominator that we determined off wiki. I'm not too familiar with these Olympics articles, but I'll do my best.

Will leave my comments soon but my initial readthrough looks good so far. Will ping when my comments are left. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 17:58, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'm not quite sure the quote box is necessary; the info it conveys can easily be conveyed via the text.
    • Removed.
  • "and the athletics coach for Nepomuceno. The athlete that competed was sprinter David Nepomuceno," This re-introduces Nepomuceno as if he hasn't been introduced even though he's mentioned in the prior sentence.
    • Whoops, changed.
  • "where he ran in the sixth heat." What does this mean? As someone who doesn't know the sport a heat makes absolutely zero sense to me. I'd define what a heat is if possible.
    • Added the definition!
  • Side question, but do the translations need to be cited? Or is it similar to that math rule where it's just determined to be common knowledge and doesn't need a source?
    • No not really.
  • What is the reliability of Olympedia as a source? Typically these kind of statistics sites are unreliable, so I figured I'd double check here.

@Arconning: All I can really pick out: mostly small stuff. Ping me when you've hit these up. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 00:29, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Pokelego999 Let me know if you have some more! Arconning (talk) 04:38, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Arconning that was all I had, nothing else I can immediately notice at a glance. The changes look good, and Olympedia definitely looks reliable, though as a primary source. Overall fantastic job. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 15:20, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]