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• ... that the goal of "peace" may mean different things to Israelis and Palestinians?

• Source: Sambaraju & McVittie 2018, p. 116: “There remains the question of what is to be, or indeed can be, done about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. One useful starting point would be to reconsider the use of talk of peace and violence in this context. If the term ‘peace’ is indeed nothing more than ‘an attractive but empty box’ (Gavriely-Nuri, 2010, p. 566), into which anyone can place and argue for what is to count as peace, then it can achieve little to retain this as the most desirable description of an outcome. Equally, where it becomes bound up with expectations (or lack of expectations) of international actors, then ‘peace’ potentially does little more than add layers of misunderstanding to existing complexities and to obscure what is at issue.”

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sayuti Abubakar and Template:Did you know nominations/Nurtami Soedarsono

Created by Onceinawhile (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 82 past nominations.

Onceinawhile (talk) 19:17, 7 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• Comment @Onceinawhile, I'm not sure about the hook: it's probably passable, but I think something more specific, such as peace vs. justice or the resulting miscommunications might be better? FortunateSons (talk) 08:13, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

OK, how about:

• ALT1: …that because the goal of "peace" can mean different things to Israelis and Palestinians, it adds layers of misunderstanding?
• ALT2: …that the common interpretation of peace within Israeli society – security maintained through oppressive military control – has not proven sustainable?

Onceinawhile (talk) 22:38, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think those are better, with 1 being more factual and 2 being more interesting in my opinion. I’ll leave the full review to someone more experienced and less involved, but feel free to ping me if there is no timely review available. FortunateSons (talk) 19:48, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Onceinawhile ALT2 is more interesting, however I don't see 'security maintained through oppressive military control – has not proven sustainable' or similar explicitly stated in the article. Am I missing something? TarnishedPath^talk 05:39, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@TarnishedPath: the first part is in there: Supporters of Israel, particularly those on the right-wing, primarily advocate for a negative peace or oppressive peace, where peace means security for Israelis with continuing control over, oppression of, or subjugation of Palestinians. I have just added two more sources, with quotes, to support the sentence.

With respect to the "has not proven sustainable", sadly I don't think a source is needed to prove such a statement as we sit here in June 2025, per WP:SKYBLUE. Onceinawhile (talk) 20:13, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Onceinawhile, it was specifically the "has not proven sustainable" bit that I was having trouble finding in the article. While that might be SKYBLUE to you and me I think someone might pick it up during the review process. TarnishedPath^talk 23:45, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@TarnishedPath: thanks for clarifying – I have added a source and a quote. Onceinawhile (talk) 14:34, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article created 7 June and nominated the same day. Earwig comes up as 52.2%, however this is a consequence of usage of quotes in references. Both ALT1 and ALT2 are interesting and supported by sources. I have a preference for ALT2 which I think is more interesting but either of the ALTs are good. QPQ done. Good to go. TarnishedPath^talk 08:57, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gatoclass pulled the hook yesterday from the queue with an edit summary of "hook issues, possible article issues". Pinging Onceinawhile and TarnishedPath. SL93 (talk) 23:29, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If the hook is the primary issue, there are two others which are also interesting which can be used. @Gatoclass: can we get some clarification please? TarnishedPath^talk 23:47, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The original hook above looks fine.

With regard to the article, it isn't irredeemable, but using words like "oppressive" in Wikipedia's voice is inappropriate and needs to be properly attributed. Gatoclass (talk) 09:24, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Gatoclass: "oppressive" is directly supported by scholarly sources in this context, as quoted in the article. This is a sensitive topic, so we must find the optimal language - not too strong and not too weak. The word “oppressive” is better than stronger words like apartheid, persecuting, dehumanizing, terrorizing, and better than doublespeak like governing or administering, that obscure the topic at hand. Its usage here is carefully thought through:

• The word is factual: encapsulating the well-known Israeli restrictions on Palestinian movement, goods, basic utilities, speech, assembly, self-determination, residency, trade, and legal rights around matters like home demolitions and administrative detentions.
• The word is carefully contextualized: While the word on its own can raise a question of justice/morality, its use here is clearly and consistently subordinated to the Israeli justification of peace and security. This ensures it is appropriately and neutrally contextualized in both the hook and the article.

The intention is to communicate the underlying debate on the topic of peace - Israelis primarily want security, Palestinians primarily want fundamental rights, and Israelis primarily aim for security at the expense of those Palestinian rights.

Onceinawhile (talk) 10:02, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

“Article”

If you want this to be read as anything more than a talkback, perhaps using quotes around peace is the wrong choice. 2A0D:6FC2:5552:4A00:3818:E3DB:D378:8A60 (talk) 21:21, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]