Talk:Mobile, Alabama
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Improve description of Battleship Park museum
[edit]Please add the words "aircraft and" to the end of the second sentence under the "Museums" heading, as follows:
... a variety of historical military aircraft and equipment.
I would do this myself, but the page is protected.
Hurricane Frederick - Category Four When Struck Mobile
[edit]Hurricane Frederick has since been upgraded to a category four when it struck Mobile Alabama. (Category 3 is incorrect)
GA Reassessment
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It has been a while since this article has been reviewed, so I took another look and noticed lots of uncited statements, including the entire "2010 census" section. There's also some MOS:OVERSECTION in the sports section and I think some of the prose is too detailed for an article about a city (especially in the "Arts and Culture" section). Z1720 (talk) 00:41, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- I am going to take a stab at filling out the citations. I'll circle back to the sports and art issues you mention after inline citations are in place unless some kind soul hops in and takes it care of first, Rjjiii (talk) 04:56, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Update: I have added citations while correcting errors and updating information. The only uncited things left are in the census sections. Next step will be to go through Mobile, Alabama#Demographics to update and cite the information there, Rjjiii (talk) 04:35, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
- The "Demographics" section is now cited and up to date, using census data. I'll look soon to see if secondary sources comment on the city's demographics. Then, I'll check through the "Arts and Culture" section. Rjjiii (talk) 18:21, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
- Z1720, I've been going through "Arts and Culture" and have trimmed much. What do you make of Mobile, Alabama#Historic architecture? I have not touched this part yet and hesitate to remove all of these historic buildings. Rjjiii (talk) 04:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Rjjiii: This section seems more like a list of buildings sorted by architectural style than a description of the architecture of the city. I would expect this section to describe the architecture used in various parts of the city and various time periods instead. Z1720 (talk) 22:37, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
Gotcha, I'll take a moment to break the existing section out into its own article. Cities with a long history, like New York and Paris, have several lists linked from the main article, but Mobile probably just needs one. Rjjiii (talk) 04:07, 11 June 2025 (UTC)When attempting to draft the article, I found National Register of Historic Places listings in Mobile, Alabama already exists. 04:10, 11 June 2025 (UTC)- I've trimmed that section down to remove all the prose list stuff. I have been tracking down WP:RS and just slowly reading through the article, making upgrades and updates. From Fort to Port by Elizabeth Barrett Gould covers the city's architecture. It should offer the sourcing to flesh out the architecture section, but I can find no copies online or through my local library. It will be sometime in July before I can check out a copy from the university library. Rjjiii (talk) 03:42, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
- Hi Rjjiii have you had any luck finding a copy? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:48, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry for the long delay on this final point. I just haven't had the time/opportunity to drop by that library since posting due to things going in real life. I do still plan to wrap up by the end of July, Rjjiii (talk) 02:42, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Z1720, I think I have gone over all the notes here. Feel free to look over the article again. Rjjiii (talk) 02:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry for the long delay on this final point. I just haven't had the time/opportunity to drop by that library since posting due to things going in real life. I do still plan to wrap up by the end of July, Rjjiii (talk) 02:42, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hi Rjjiii have you had any luck finding a copy? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:48, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Rjjiii: I made some major cuts to the article, including removing non-notable list items (like names of schools and businesses), removed information about institutions not located in Mobile, and merged some sections per MOS:OVERSECTION. Please take a look and let me know if there's any concerns. Z1720 (talk) 18:02, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Z1720, thanks, the cuts all seem like improvements. I had focused on the "Arts and Culture" section. Rjjiii (talk) 23:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- Would any of the photos in the article need to be updated to what the locations look like today? EulerianTrail (talk) 09:14, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- @EulerianTrail, which photos are you thinking should be replaced? Rjjiii (talk) 01:34, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- The Mobile Civic Center picture should be replaced (Renovations/construction of a new one is currently being done); hhowever, I would wait until it is done. Several photos are old but still represents the idea of the place, but may be nice to have a more modern look. Some places that would be nice to have is a photo of Langan park with the dinosaurs art exhibit, the new Amtrak station, USA Health Children's & Women's Hospital looks like a lighthouse, the Fairgrounds (which is basically like a second civic center, but with a focus on having an outdoors area), EulerianTrail (talk) 02:25, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hm, I checked on Commons but don't see any recent photos. c:Category:Mobile, Alabama should have most of the photos of the city. File:Sunset Limited at Mobile station, August 1993.jpg is an older photo of the Amtrak station. You might post to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Alabama to see if someone in the area would be willing to take some pictures. It's also an option to write to the institution and see if they'll offer to license or upload a photo to the the Commons. Sometimes this works, but most places are too focused on their actual work to bother with that, tbh. Rjjiii (talk) 15:21, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Forgot to drop a {{ping}} to EulerianTrail, Rjjiii (talk) 15:22, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Rjjiii I am actually offering to take photos. I was listing places that may need some photos. The building in Sunset Limited 1993 is actually torn down. A new building is in the works and they have a temporary platform as you can see from this Google photo. EulerianTrail (talk) 16:20, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- @EulerianTrail, oh, I misunderstood. That sounds excellent! Feel free to reach out if you run into any issues with uploading and licensing the images. I think the only issues related to GA status are that images should be freely licensed, relevant to the topic, and have a suitable caption (WP:GACR6). Rjjiii (talk) 00:18, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Rjjiii I am actually offering to take photos. I was listing places that may need some photos. The building in Sunset Limited 1993 is actually torn down. A new building is in the works and they have a temporary platform as you can see from this Google photo. EulerianTrail (talk) 16:20, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- The Mobile Civic Center picture should be replaced (Renovations/construction of a new one is currently being done); hhowever, I would wait until it is done. Several photos are old but still represents the idea of the place, but may be nice to have a more modern look. Some places that would be nice to have is a photo of Langan park with the dinosaurs art exhibit, the new Amtrak station, USA Health Children's & Women's Hospital looks like a lighthouse, the Fairgrounds (which is basically like a second civic center, but with a focus on having an outdoors area), EulerianTrail (talk) 02:25, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- @EulerianTrail, which photos are you thinking should be replaced? Rjjiii (talk) 01:34, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Would any of the photos in the article need to be updated to what the locations look like today? EulerianTrail (talk) 09:14, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Z1720, thanks, the cuts all seem like improvements. I had focused on the "Arts and Culture" section. Rjjiii (talk) 23:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Rjjiii: I made some major cuts to the article, including removing non-notable list items (like names of schools and businesses), removed information about institutions not located in Mobile, and merged some sections per MOS:OVERSECTION. Please take a look and let me know if there's any concerns. Z1720 (talk) 18:02, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Rjjiii: This section seems more like a list of buildings sorted by architectural style than a description of the architecture of the city. I would expect this section to describe the architecture used in various parts of the city and various time periods instead. Z1720 (talk) 22:37, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
- The Healthcare section is a few years out of date:
- new facilities built
- hospital(s) sold
- do we really need to mention Infirmary West, formerly Knollwood Hospital? There are other closed hospitals. I think this belongs more in the history or timeline of Mobile articles.
- There should be better descriptions of the non-hospital resources. It currently reads as if the section should be named Hospitals, except for a few lines.
- EulerianTrail (talk) 18:06, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
- I removed Infirmary West. If you want to tackle the other updates, go for it. If not, I'll try to work my through them. Do you have any specific "
non-hospital resources
" in mind? Rjjiii (talk) 02:44, 11 August 2025 (UTC)- There is mobile county health department, the USA Health Strada Patient Care Center, and USA Health Freestanding Emergency Department. I also think it might be nice to list info about dental, vision, and hearing; however, I am not sure how to write this without sounding too promotional and spotlighting one company over another since there are several. I am not sure if it is appropriate, but since some people consider it to be health, maybe include alternative medicine resources. EulerianTrail (talk) 03:14, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
- I've done some updates and expansion to this section. As far as alternative medicine, dental, vision, and so on, I'm not finding sources about Mobile that go into specifics. One exception is that there is a lot about chiropractors being prosecuted, but it's for some kind of scheme that seems WP:UNDUE for the city's article. Rjjiii (talk) 15:06, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- @EulerianTrail, just checking in, do you have more bits to update? Also, @Z1720 do you have any more notes? Also also, anyone reading this is welcome to {{ping}} me post-GAR on the article's talk page to continue to improve the article, Rjjiii (talk) 03:57, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
- I've done some updates and expansion to this section. As far as alternative medicine, dental, vision, and so on, I'm not finding sources about Mobile that go into specifics. One exception is that there is a lot about chiropractors being prosecuted, but it's for some kind of scheme that seems WP:UNDUE for the city's article. Rjjiii (talk) 15:06, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- There is mobile county health department, the USA Health Strada Patient Care Center, and USA Health Freestanding Emergency Department. I also think it might be nice to list info about dental, vision, and hearing; however, I am not sure how to write this without sounding too promotional and spotlighting one company over another since there are several. I am not sure if it is appropriate, but since some people consider it to be health, maybe include alternative medicine resources. EulerianTrail (talk) 03:14, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
- I removed Infirmary West. If you want to tackle the other updates, go for it. If not, I'll try to work my through them. Do you have any specific "
Add Tim Cook to notable people
[edit]Tim Cook, CEO of Apple, was born in Mobile, Alabama, on November 1, 1960. He should be added to the Mobile, Alabama#Notable people section. Johnwilander (talk) 04:07, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Johnwilander, I took him off the list but won't object if others want to add him back. According the sources that I found, he was born in Mobile, but he grew up in Robertsdale, Alabama. The Robertsdale article already lists him and that seems correct: https://www.al.com/live/2014/02/tim_cook_--_apple_ceo_and_robe.html Rjjiii (talk) 04:27, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
Name Change
[edit]This still reads Gulf of Mexico and it’s the Gulf of America now. 2600:1009:B1CF:1866:8D56:37A3:1D64:4E9E (talk) 11:59, 8 August 2025 (UTC)
- Please refer to the talk page on the topic of the name of the Gulf: Talk:Gulf of Mexico - Wikipedia
- In short, wikipedia is a resource for the whole world and uses a neutral point of view. Since the majority of the world and reliable sources use "Gulf of Mexico" that is what we use. Only one major political party in one of three countries calls the international body of water "Gulf of America." You may also want to read WP:NOTADVOCACY. It is also explained in more detail on the wiki article for Gulf of Mexico. EulerianTrail (talk) 17:57, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
City Seal
[edit]@HoosierMan1816 Here is a document that shows that the Mobile has and still uses the new seal: Street Renaming Petition EulerianTrail (talk) 17:23, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
- I've also added a list of references to the seal's file page at File:Seal_of_Mobile,_Alabama.jpg#References. I don't see city seal's as usually cited, but if needed this could be added as an inline citation to this article:
Specker, Lawrence (21 June 2023). "Mobile honors Fred Richardson by renaming park he helped create". AL.com.
Sorry about any confusion, Rjjiii (talk) 03:52, 25 August 2025 (UTC)In 2005 the city dropped the Confederate battle flag in favor of the Confederacy's third national flag, and in 2015 the council took all flags except the United States one off the city seal.