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![]() | On 18 August 2025, it was proposed that this article be moved to MMO. The result of the discussion was Partial move. |
Same-world requirement needs better justification
[edit]Currently the only source to support the "MMOs are about the same world" claim is Techopedia (which is at the very best is a tertiary source, and even it being WP:RS is arguable). Moreover, Techopedia does not really require the action to happen within one single world instance (the wording in Techopedia definition does allow for different interpretations, and "usually" is a very weak modifier to make bold statements based on it - making it a pretty bad case of WP:OR here). Overall - answer to the question of "whether games such as DOTA or CS qualify as MMOs" desperately needs MUCH better justification. Ipsign (talk) 06:14, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
- Moreover, if using current definition, we'd need to exclude WoW etc. too (as they do run multiple instances of their game worlds). Doubleplusungood. Ipsign (talk) 06:23, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
- FWIW, a link (not really supporting any position, but still of potential use): [1]. Ipsign (talk) 06:32, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
- I don't think "simultaneously in the same instance" is meant to state "one single instance". An MMO can have many instances, each supporting large numbers of players. -- ferret (talk) 15:31, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
- I think the definition needs to be looked into, as you have sources (like Extra Credits on YouTube) that call Warframe an MMO (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERepKk7dZSc&feature=youtu.be&t=117 ), despite Warframe not being recognized by Wikipedia as an MMONahoward (talk) 20:52, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
- I don't think "simultaneously in the same instance" is meant to state "one single instance". An MMO can have many instances, each supporting large numbers of players. -- ferret (talk) 15:31, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
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The first graphical MMO
[edit]Currently the article names "the multiplayer flight combat simulation game Air Warrior by Kesmai" as the first graphical MMO in 1986. But Air Warrior was published in 1988. Meanwhile, Lucasfilm's Habitat was published in first half of 1986. Either Air Warrior is not the first graphical MMO, or the dates on it's own wikipedia article (and MobyGames) are wrong. -- Mozai (talk) 21:55, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
- The 1986 may be wrong, but Air Warrior would still be considered first for publication. Habitat was in beta in 86-88, and not officially released till 89. -- ferret (talk) 23:05, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
Requested move 18 August 2025
[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Partial move. Redirected MMO to Massively multiplayer online game, but did not move it to "MMO". (closed by non-admin page mover) Jeffrey34555 (talk) 00:39, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
– "MMO" is the clear WP:COMMONNAME for this video game genre, with the abbreviation used tremendously more often than the full name. This is evidenced by the Ngrams data, where the full name is hardly used in comparison. It's also the primary topic by pageviews, with hundreds more views than the next major topic and more views than all other entries on the DAB page combined. ATM is not called "Automated teller machine", and NASA is not called "National Aeronautics and Space Administration"; this page should be moved accordingly. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:56, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:57, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- Neutral 1, support 2. Primary redirect is justified. 162 etc. (talk) 18:35, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- Neutral 1: If this really qualifies under the higher WP:ACROTITLE test where
the subject is known primarily by its abbreviation and that abbreviation is primarily associated with the subject
, then why does most of the body text of the current version of this article primarily use the alternative "MMOG" instead? If "MMOG" or another alternative name is roughly equally commonly used, then it should fail WP:ACROTITLE (like the proposals to move Federal Bureau of Investigation to FBI ). That said, Support 2 that it is still sufficient for WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. Zzyzx11 (talk) 19:07, 18 August 2025 (UTC)- Because the specific person who wrote the article saw fit to do so? It can easily be find and replaced, but the use of "MMOG" is neither here nor there with regards to the popularity of the name. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:40, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Massively multiplayer online game → MMO , support MMO → MMO (disambiguation) (oppose 1, support 2). Retarget MMO to Massively multiplayer online game after the disambiguation page is moved. Regarding Massively multiplayer online game: WP:NATURAL may be the stronger argument here since the WP:COMMONNAME could potentially go either way. Steel1943 (talk) 02:32, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
- I have linked to Ngrams in the nomination that shows that one is considerably more common than the other, so I am not sure where this "could go either way" comes from exactly? ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:44, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
- This is a case where the probable common name, an acronym, should be associated as a redirect where the title representing the long/actual name of the subject should be the title of the article. Steel1943 (talk) 11:16, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
- I have linked to Ngrams in the nomination that shows that one is considerably more common than the other, so I am not sure where this "could go either way" comes from exactly? ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:44, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose 1st, support 2nd and redirect MMO to Massively multiplayer online game as primary redirect per Steel1943. Best kept at the full name, but also clearly the primary topic for MMO. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:14, 22 August 2025 (UTC)